Z9D only hits 1600-1800 nits, and Dolby Vision content is being mastered to 4,000 nits, so we're not even halfway yet with any of these sets in terms of brightness.
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Theonik
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Up to 4,000 nits for DV yes. But most content is mastered in 1000-2000 nits and UHD alliance is aiming for 1000.
So it was just a theory (based on incorrect assumption) that you originally threw out as fact?
Vanillalite
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Everyone with great internet owes it to themselves to watch The Grand Tour on Amazon.
Best stream peace of visual content ever. Shit is unfucking real in 4K HDR.
Best stream peace of visual content ever. Shit is unfucking real in 4K HDR.
mmazurkiewicz
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its okay. not quite a UHD Bluray.
Vanillalite
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Did we watch the same show?
Dave_6
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To anyone who may have owned both; how are the black levels on a KS8000 compared to a Pioneer Kuro plasma? I've seen so many mentions of the KS lately that it's got me looking at them tonight. I prefer PQ over something like input lag so my future purchase was more than likely going to be an OLED but the KS is getting a little tempting (if a really great deal pops up on the 65").
Yappadappadu
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Anyone else with an E6/C6/G6 OLED who played the FFXV demo and felt like pulling off the right timing for blocking enemy attacks (square button) was different/more difficult in HDR mode (TM turned off, of course) than in SDR game mode?
Guess I'll need to get an amazon sub.
Guess I'll need to get an amazon sub.
Cloggerdude
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Essentially the same price? Where?
If they are even somewhat close in price, then get the B6. Unless you are just extremely sensitive to input lag (some people are), the B6 pretty much wins hands down in most of the other areas. The KS8000 is great, but the B6 is better.
It doesn't play in HDR for me. Are you sure it actually supports HDR?
Yep, absolutely correct.
What has an Amazon app w/ HDR 4K? Should I use the Pro, One S or the built-in app?
TV apps usually, at least for LG.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Yep 100%
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
turn true motion either way down (dejudder 0, de-blur 5-10 is ok) or completely off
dejudder in particular seems to clash with the blur and not know how to process it
TV app for my LG C6 played The Grand Tour in 4K HDR flawlessly yesterday.
Also, a note for my fellow OLED owners. NEVER use TruMotion for gaming. It shoots the input lag way up to 117ms due to the additional processing. Personally, I don't use it for any content, but it is especially bad for games.
Also, a note for my fellow OLED owners. NEVER use TruMotion for gaming. It shoots the input lag way up to 117ms due to the additional processing. Personally, I don't use it for any content, but it is especially bad for games.
Thanks!
DJ Lushious
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The Samsung UHD Blu-Ray player's Amazon app also supports HDR10. I can't speak for the Phillips UHD Blu-Ray player; I own the Samsung player.
What in ShamWow's holy name are you talking about?! "Not very good processing?" "Suffering with non-DV content?"
I don't even know how to address the first one. Dolby Vision processing is much more intensive than HDR10, requiring a dedicated chip pipeline. As I posted previously, because of DV's engineering, it's rather quite easy for DV devices to be "backwards compatible*" with any other HDR.
As for the second... huh?! So, LG and Vizio Dolby Vision displayers suffer with HDR10 content? As in, the pain of covering all available HDR content on the market is too great? Or are they suffering, because they have trouble reconciling with the envy other manufacturer's TVs feel for not supporting DV?
I am, of course, being extremely facetious here. I very much appreciate the CTO of Vizio giving the community insight into their sets' inner workings. Here's what he had to say about how Processing works with the P/M-Series' system-on-a-chip.
Matt McRae said:
EDIT
The P/M-Series' BETA firmware is already decreasing HDR10 input lag and that's without a fully realized solution. From what Mr. McRae has said, the decrease came naturally in some of the ways they addressed other problems/fixes.
In Norway.
The B6 will be ~$1730 on BF. It doesn't look like the KS8000 will go on sale, though, so in that case it will stay at ~$1560.
Theonik
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The DV hardware isn't being used on HDR10 sources HDR10 is done entirely in software and Visio/LG do not handle DV themselves. The main benefit of DV is that it takes control away from TV manufacturers and puts it in the hands on Dolby. LG's and especially Visio's HDR10 software implementations are really bad though compared to say Sony and Panasonic.
Rbk_3
Member
I am glad I returned the P Series for the KS8000 before my return window was up. Even if they get it down, they will be luckily to get it to double that of the KS8000 in HDR.
general_garcia
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Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but did LG eventually reduce input lag for the B6 OLED? I remember looking at that when it came out, but it seemed quite high. There seem to be a lot of folks in here that are enjoying it though, so I guess they altered via firmware update?
Rbk_3
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Per Rtings
Update 11/07/2016: The input lag results have been updated with the newest firmware update 04.30.40, but the results remain largely unchanged. Note that the HDR input lag still cycles, which may be an issue for gamers. A video showing the cycling can be seen here, and a full table of the results can be found below. We will continue to update these results with any further firmware updates.
Note that ranges of numbers show the variance in the cycle of the result.
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b6
general_garcia
Member
Cheers.
Question for B6, C6, E6 owners.
Can the LG Magic Remote control the inputs on an AV Receiver?
I bought the C6, but it only has 3 HDMI inputs (Cable box, PS4, ARC to receiver ARC). I still need 1 more input for the Nintendo Switch, soooo....
Can I go Arc tv HDMI to Arc Receiver HDMI Out for audio pass through - > while Cable, PS4, and eventual Switch to receiver HDMI In and be able to control the input switches from the Magic Remote?
Can the LG Magic Remote control the inputs on an AV Receiver?
I bought the C6, but it only has 3 HDMI inputs (Cable box, PS4, ARC to receiver ARC). I still need 1 more input for the Nintendo Switch, soooo....
Can I go Arc tv HDMI to Arc Receiver HDMI Out for audio pass through - > while Cable, PS4, and eventual Switch to receiver HDMI In and be able to control the input switches from the Magic Remote?
DJ Lushious
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You keep on saying this, yet you can provide no examples or expand further upon it. As such, I still have no clue what you're trying to say.
It doesn't matter, though, because you're still wrong. LG and Vizio have no problems producing a quality HDR10 image. Any number of the LG and Vizio owners here can assuredly testify of their set's results. And one only need to view any review of any of LG/Vizio's high-end sets for confirmation.
That's awesome you found a solution that works for you! My criteria for customer satisfaction is different than yours. That doesn't make any of us wrong. Sony, Samsung, LG, and Vizio all offer UHDTVs that are amazing sets and all viable solutions.
Sorry I'm late.
HDR10 is not displayed on every display equally. The LGs and Vizios that display HDR10 will not process and display it the same as a Sony or Samsung will. Like has been mentioned, there's been some criticism over how well Vizio and LG process HDR10 compared to the top Samsung and Sony sets.
Of course according to Dolby it's the defacto standard. I don't think you can really call it a cinema standard yet when the percentage of actual Dolby cinemas and movies displayed in Dolby Vision is so small right now. Not saying it won't be sometime in the future.
Second, some of the world's largest content providers and producers are supporting Dolby Vision. Has anyone heard of Netflix? They're kind of a big deal and they support DV. What about Amazon? I know they've only been around for two decades, but they, too, support Dolby Vision. Wait... Vudu does, too?! And you say they're owned by Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer? Get. Out.
If you're going to make a prediction, this early, then at least bring it back down to earth. The reality is that Dolby Vision isn't going anywhere. At worst, it's going to coexist with HDR10, just like Dolby TrueHD coexists with DTS-HDMA, and Dolby Atmos with DTS:X.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying Dolby Vision can't coexist with HDR10, just saying there's a possibility it could not last in the home theater space due to not having the manufacturer support and being closed source unlike HDR10.
HDR10 is not displayed on every display equally. The LGs and Vizios that display HDR10 will not process and display it the same as a Sony or Samsung will. Like has been mentioned, there's been some criticism over how well Vizio and LG process HDR10 compared to the top Samsung and Sony sets.
Of course according to Dolby it's the defacto standard. I don't think you can really call it a cinema standard yet when the percentage of actual Dolby cinemas and movies displayed in Dolby Vision is so small right now. Not saying it won't be sometime in the future.
Second, some of the world's largest content providers and producers are supporting Dolby Vision. Has anyone heard of Netflix? They're kind of a big deal and they support DV. What about Amazon? I know they've only been around for two decades, but they, too, support Dolby Vision. Wait... Vudu does, too?! And you say they're owned by Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer? Get. Out.
If you're going to make a prediction, this early, then at least bring it back down to earth. The reality is that Dolby Vision isn't going anywhere. At worst, it's going to coexist with HDR10, just like Dolby TrueHD coexists with DTS-HDMA, and Dolby Atmos with DTS:X.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying Dolby Vision can't coexist with HDR10, just saying there's a possibility it could not last in the home theater space due to not having the manufacturer support and being closed source unlike HDR10.
Can anyone comment on the Samsung KS8000 vs. the Vizio M-Series? I have a strong feeling that it was just due to the set-up/demos I saw in-store, but the KS8000 comes off as a bit grainy with a lot of the content I was seeing, whereas the M-Series came off more smooth to the eyes; though I do think the KS8000 outperformed the M-series when the content really pushed the set hard (4K-specific content).
Based on a lot of the feedback I'm seeing, it seems like the KS8000 is the way to go.
Any thoughts? Stuck between the two.
Based on a lot of the feedback I'm seeing, it seems like the KS8000 is the way to go.
Any thoughts? Stuck between the two.
Big Takeover
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The two B6es are on sale next week (starting tomorrow) at authorized retailers. $1800/$2800.
http://www.avsforum.com/lg-b6-oled-hdr-black-friday-best-price-ever-sale/
http://www.avsforum.com/lg-b6-oled-hdr-black-friday-best-price-ever-sale/
Metalstrike
Member
Awesome news! Now just to return the KS8000 and decide on 55" or "65. I really want the E series but this price might be too good to pass.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
I can't speak to the Vizios, but the LG OLED's handle HDR10 just fine.
Most of the issue is with content mastering, rather than the TV itself in my opinion. Some content does weird shit with the metadata that perhaps isn't being accounted for as well by LG's software.
Overall though, I find most HDR10 sources, be they games (both PS4 Pro and XB1), UHD discs (for the most part, a couple bad ones HDR wise out there), and streaming (Netflix/Amazon et al) - to all look terrific.
It's also just hard to know exactly since HDR calibration is in its infancy
Most of the issue is with content mastering, rather than the TV itself in my opinion. Some content does weird shit with the metadata that perhaps isn't being accounted for as well by LG's software.
Overall though, I find most HDR10 sources, be they games (both PS4 Pro and XB1), UHD discs (for the most part, a couple bad ones HDR wise out there), and streaming (Netflix/Amazon et al) - to all look terrific.
It's also just hard to know exactly since HDR calibration is in its infancy
DOT DASH DOT
Member
DX902 user, 38ms (4K HDR) and I've gone from a 22ms Samsung, I'm very happy with it, don't expect much difference on the 750 model as it's only a little higher at 44ms. Very good set for the money.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I've got a question for you Sony TV folks.
My X850D has stopped bringing up the Home menu.
When I press Home button on the remote all it does is dim the image like it's gonna bring it up, and then nothing; it just goes back to my PS4 or Netflix.
Ant ideas?
My X850D has stopped bringing up the Home menu.
When I press Home button on the remote all it does is dim the image like it's gonna bring it up, and then nothing; it just goes back to my PS4 or Netflix.
Ant ideas?
Friend of Sonic
Member
Is the lag the same between E6/B6? I don't really care if I get 3D, or the slightly enhanced processor of the E6 (from what I read) since I'll just have a desktop PC hooked up for apps that I could use the TV for.
If those are the only two differences between the B6/E6, then I might need to go for B6. I just have to decide if the lag is a killer, though I game on a plasma so maybe I'm already used to it.
If those are the only two differences between the B6/E6, then I might need to go for B6. I just have to decide if the lag is a killer, though I game on a plasma so maybe I'm already used to it.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
No. The B6 has more input lag than the E6/C6.
@1080p
B6: 44.4 ms
E6/C6: 34.2 ms
Friend of Sonic
Member
Thank you! I thought I had read something like that somewhere. I guess I can justify the E6 now!
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I'm looking at the C6 myself as it's less expensive. I know some people have a mental hangup with the curved screen but my wife and I tried a curved LCD last year and got used to it very quickly. It's not a problem.
I bought a C6 a week ago and love it.
Honestly, the curve is so slight that I don't even notice it. I don't care about the soundbar on the E6 since I have a dedicated surround system already.
Bought a PS4 Pro with the money saved.
well, because of your post last night I watched the show....and yup it looked Amazing. It's like when you go TV shopping and their demos looks so Amazing and you think you'll never experince the same thing for regular content....then bam there it is.
I also watched one episode of Mad Dogs in 4K HDR, and it looked Amazing as well.
I'm just worried about data caps watching/streaming all these 4K HDR shows. I've never had Comcast here in San Francisco say anything about data caps from years of gaming and downloading gigs of games and patches, but I'd hate to all the sudden get on their radar.
finalflame
Banned
Check your Comcast email. The entire Bay Area got data caps from Comcast starting this month. $50 extra/mo for unlimited, or you have to pay overages.
Thank you so much for the heads up.
did some google searching and came across this..
"To put it another way, 1 terabyte of data would allow a customer to watch about 142 hours of 4K video from Netflix each month, or less than 5 hours a day."
not including online gaming. Not that there is 142 hours of 4K movies out there...at least I don't think....lol.
finalflame
Banned
Haha, for me the biggest hit is Twitch. Basically, if I'm home, I'm streaming Twitch .. all the time. The data for that adds up! I think I'm up to 800gb this month, and the only 4K thing I've watched is The Grand Tour (amazing btw).
Anyhow, data caps really need to go away.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
The 55" C6 just dropped to $1799 at Best Buy this morning. Tempting. The 65" is $2799. I'm trying to decide if 10" is worth $1000. I'm thinking no. My current set is only 50" so as long as the new one is the same or larger I think it'll be fine, and I just don't want to spend more than 2 grand on a TV.
I'm still in my "paranoid about new TV" phase with the E6, though the good news is that I should be getting a free calibration when the tech visits on Friday (for unknown reasons he did not show up yesterday, so I made a fuss with LG and managed to get them to include the free calibration in their notes).
Just to make sure, should 1080p content on the E6 be equal or better to how 1080p content is displayed on my previous TV?
I once bought and immediately returned an HDTV for having strong 1080p content but abysmal 480p content (meaning PS2 games looked awful). I just want to make sure that's not the case with the E6.
Just to make sure, should 1080p content on the E6 be equal or better to how 1080p content is displayed on my previous TV?
I once bought and immediately returned an HDTV for having strong 1080p content but abysmal 480p content (meaning PS2 games looked awful). I just want to make sure that's not the case with the E6.