PlayStation boss on PS4 Pro: our approach isn't reactive this time around
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Omnistalgic
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My forum lango is dimishing with age it seems...lol what does that mean?
Whoops I see it now...
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It's certainly a reactive move, but not in the way many posters/press seem to think. Andrew House flat out stated they saw numbers and trends showing console users jumping to PC during the mid-gen stretch, which PS4 Pro is supposed to curb.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: MS is not Sony's target, Steam is
Blackleg-sanji1
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You don't even have to say it lol as you pointed out Sony themselves have said it. That won't stop people tho
Different times my friend. You have to take into account that digital distribution wasn't a factor back then
RealityCheque
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They've got 1 year as the most powerful console. Then they're going to either have to get comfortable with that, or react. Which is the biggest risk that a PS4p purchase carries IMO. What if 18-24 months from now the ps5 is rushed to market to compete with a surging Scorpio? Today's pro buyers may feel pretty burned and lose a lot of loyalty.
Console gens, and they will be there, are going to be really fucked up for the next few years. You'll see combinations of long and short cycles.
Console gens, and they will be there, are going to be really fucked up for the next few years. You'll see combinations of long and short cycles.
Doubt it Slim and Pro will push sales even more for them, its great Microsoft is talking about the Scorpio so much but the gap will increase by the time Scorpio is released.
MisterXDTV
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If you keep waiting for something better, you would never buy anything: PS4 Pro then Scorpio then PS5 then Scorpio 2 etc....
For $50 more than an Xbox One S you get a machine 3 times more powerful. If you consider that good value, you should buy it.
If not, stick with your current console.
But I think performance/price ratio for PS4 Pro is VERY high.
Scorpio could cost much more and even if by miracle it launches at $399, Sony will give the PS4 Pro a price-cut in 14 months.
This not even considering the huge base of PS4 users, and the 1 year advantage that PS4 Pro has on Scorpio
Aenima
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I dont. As a PS4 owner i would be pissed if the new model was a beast that made the actual PS4 look like 1 gen behind. And im glad they are targeting the Pro model to the higher resolution TVs, and letting the devs decide on the extra visual bumps for the 1080p games.
In my opinion was the best aproach to release a mid generation console, it gives some incentive to some ppl to upgrade, while not upsetting much the current user base of PS4 owners.
Rain City Gamer
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This^^
We don't even know Project Scorpio exists if PS4 NEO wasn't leaked.
As for the 4k Blu Ray Omission. Personally it doesn't bother me. The last time I bought a Blu Ray was when The Dark Knight was released, I am digital everything. BUT I do think it is headscratchingly absent since Sony has been such a pusher on Blu Ray since PS3. You have to think they know better than us in this case and are making a decision based on their market research, right? I also think that if Xbone S didn't have one most people wouldn't even be talking about it.
shouamabane
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What are the chances of Sony quietly adding a UHD BD drive in the next version of PS4 Pro next year?
Unless 4K TV sets actually take off (they're projected to only have like 10% penetration at the end of this year with 33% penetration in 2019) very unlikely.
Maybe Neo was know more publicly, but AMD let it be know early this year they had 3 semi-custom design wins in a earnings call. One was guessed to be Neo. The others were unknown.
"AMD has lent further credence to the rumours that one or more new consoles will launch this year, informing investors about "three design wins" for its Semi-Custom business that will start delivering returns in the second half of 2016."
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...gn-wins-point-to-new-console-hardware-in-2016
One of those SoC designs was PS4 Pro the other two were revealed to be Xbox One S new SoC and Scorpio SoC.
https://twitter.com/amd/status/742455340839493632
So just because Neo leaked first. Leaks are starting to become an issue over there. Doesn't mean development wasn't going on at Microsoft. Obviously there was because semi-customs designs can take years of collaboration between companies.
The same as chances of Sony releasing another SKU next year. -5000%
Look for PS5 in 2019
Papacheeks
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According to Andrew House and Marc Cerny that is not the case at all.
Audible Phonetics
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This is slowly divulging into console war....
I will say this like/dislike what Sony did with their mid year console, they are pushing the envelope as far as being in control of the market being market leaders.
This thing will sell, and if you think people are going to want to wait a year in hopes Xbox delivers their native 4k, I simply don't think it'll happen.
By time Xbox launches scorpio we will be a few years from PS5. Like it or not PS timing of this release keeps them perfectly ahead and MS who is still playing catch up..
I will say this like/dislike what Sony did with their mid year console, they are pushing the envelope as far as being in control of the market being market leaders.
This thing will sell, and if you think people are going to want to wait a year in hopes Xbox delivers their native 4k, I simply don't think it'll happen.
By time Xbox launches scorpio we will be a few years from PS5. Like it or not PS timing of this release keeps them perfectly ahead and MS who is still playing catch up..
Robot Pants
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It's hilarious what they are saying.
UHD discs and players are still very new. 4K tvs are just now starting to become more mainstream thanks to prices dropping.
There isn't much interest yet because barely anyone has access to it yet. They don't even have their standalone player out yet. Not because people don't have interest in it, that's evidenced enough in the amount of people pissed that the Pro doesn't include the UHD drive.
A lot of people still don't understand the difference between streaming 4K and disc 4K. Why? Because no one really has access to it and they aren't trying to even showcase the difference. They are killing their own format before it has a chance.
Obviously streaming is a huge draw for plenty of people, myself included. And Sony has their own streaming service as well, but they could be making money on both fronts (streaming and physical).m and the PS4 was probably the easiest way to push the format.
They've just decided not to I guess to because of the 400 dollar price point. Still a bad decision I think
UHD discs and players are still very new. 4K tvs are just now starting to become more mainstream thanks to prices dropping.
There isn't much interest yet because barely anyone has access to it yet. They don't even have their standalone player out yet. Not because people don't have interest in it, that's evidenced enough in the amount of people pissed that the Pro doesn't include the UHD drive.
A lot of people still don't understand the difference between streaming 4K and disc 4K. Why? Because no one really has access to it and they aren't trying to even showcase the difference. They are killing their own format before it has a chance.
Obviously streaming is a huge draw for plenty of people, myself included. And Sony has their own streaming service as well, but they could be making money on both fronts (streaming and physical).m and the PS4 was probably the easiest way to push the format.
They've just decided not to I guess to because of the 400 dollar price point. Still a bad decision I think
They'll go back on it. House even refuses to deny "further hardware installments" and Shawn Layden said something similar.
Papacheeks
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Like Cerny and house said though it's wait and see approach. I see PS5 coming 2019, and it wont be gimped cpu wise.
It's going to depend on what they go with, and how much they expect to actually make on the hardware that will determine what we get.
I think with the improvements in AMD's cheap cpu business, they can create something that will be cost effective and have a high ceiling for compute power.
Panajev2001a
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... and this is happening also because HD/UHD streaming is newer, newer means better by default, older means worse by default... Blu-Ray is OLD, it is an old plastic physics way of storing info while streaming 4K like streams over the internet is fresh and young. Who cares if the video and audio streamed kills your bandwidth caps, has noticeable worse compression and picture quality than the Blu-Ray... Blu-Ray is old so even if it is better it is worse
.Sorry for the rant, but I have not seen a single argument beyond I do not have space + physical media is old technology and old is bad + it is convenient/less bothersome to just stream data that justifies the marketing idea of pushing a 4K console without also a 4K Blu-Ray drive. It was a stupid users intelligence insulting decision for such a premium product.
Are we talking about the same thing? I'm talking about the "PS5" really being a PS4 Pro 2 with no exclusives
El-Pistolero
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Pretty ironic that you would complain about the flames when you, yourself, had lit the fire. The mere suggestion that a console releasing in two months time, with how long it takes to conceive, design, manufacture and market one, is a reaction to a string of words that will not cristallize before late 2017 is the most idiotic thing I have read this past couple of days...and God knows how many dumb posts are lodged on an hourly basis!
longdi
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Paper specs = Scorpio btw
shouamabane
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Isn't 4K the main thrust of PS4 Pro? (I'm honestly asking)
Papacheeks
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It won't be called PS4 PRO 2 I bet my avatar on it. They flat out said this is something new in uncharted waters, a new generational system is coming I bet my avatar. It will be x86 or something similar it will have AMD for a GPU I guarantee.
This refresh was a culmination of stars aligning correctly for AMD's chip manufacturing and both Sony and Microsoft Reaping the benefit of a more efficient chip that for each hardware config boasts higher processing, and a higher profit margin.
Bringing out something with the PS4 moniker in 2019 wont go over well. Maybe after the next generation and next iteration on PS5 or whatever they call it they may just do iteration and forgo generations. But for now PS4 PRO i part of current gen and they are making another console that will be for a new generation but will be forward compatible.
andythinkpad
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The way I see it, this gen has gone so well for them they know full well good furtune doesn't come around all the time.
Sony basically doesn't want to repeat the PS2>PS3 transition and trying to do their hardest to protect/entrench their dominant position. Releasing a new PS4 in the right price point would ensure they keep the hardcore gamers (not the super hardcore) money and keep them in the Playstation ecosystem.
Both the 4 Pro and VR are very friendly to the high end mainstream gamers.
Sony basically doesn't want to repeat the PS2>PS3 transition and trying to do their hardest to protect/entrench their dominant position. Releasing a new PS4 in the right price point would ensure they keep the hardcore gamers (not the super hardcore) money and keep them in the Playstation ecosystem.
Both the 4 Pro and VR are very friendly to the high end mainstream gamers.
PeterLegend
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Just give me Battlefield 1 at 1080p 60fps with high/ultra settings and im happy
pixelation
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Agreed, MS just wants to keep the boat afloat. They must know that they can't overtake the PS4 in sales, certainly not world wide.
PeterLegend
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I'm expecting hardware refreshes every 3 to 4 years, call it a mid cycle refresh or a new gen doesnt matter...Backwards compatibility to an extent since theyre using AMD chips...
They created a console targeting AV enthusiasts - people with 4K HDR TVs - as a purported premium device and then hobble it to achieve a mass market price and to appease mass market sensibilities?
The regular PS4 should be that device. WTF happened to Sony?
AV enthusiasts understand what UHD blu ray brings to the table and are understandably pissed by its omission.
The regular PS4 should be that device. WTF happened to Sony?
AV enthusiasts understand what UHD blu ray brings to the table and are understandably pissed by its omission.
Hawk269
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I agree. 1080p/60fps locked and high level of AA and AFx16 and I would be happy, very happy.
reptilescorpio
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Shocked OP hasn't been juniored yet
Goodacre0081
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haven't hey had the most powerful console for the past three years?
not sure why sony would rush a PS5 to market when they have been basically doing their own thing for this entire generation and not reacting at all to what MS is doing.
Dlacy13g
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PS4 Pro isn't a reaction to the Scorpio. However, I do think PS4 Pro is a stealth launch of a new gen. And just like the Pro the PS5 (or whatever the next Playstation is called) won't be a huge leap from the Pro, it will be a modest improvement in about 3 years time as well. These incremental refreshes are the new way the consoles will handle next gen iteration.
I didn't mean it'd literally be called "PS4 Pro 2", but that the next PlayStation would not have it's own games and just be upgrade from the Pro.
I would hope that that's not the case but that's what it's seemin like.
FallenGrace
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Yeah this, pretty crystal clear Sony had this planned for a while and have simply stuck to their plan even after Scorpio got announced.
I also think Sony's decision regarding 4K was the correct one as it stands. Outside of the hardcore I doubt many people especially more casual gamers are going to care too much anyway. What's really important I feel is the games, Scorpio may be more powerful and have 4K blu-ray but it's software line up (to me) is severely lacking. We shall see.
But they did release a gaming system?
If Sony introduced another PS4 Pro in two years... as a new owner this year, I wouldn't feel too burned. Because of the 399 price. If I was paying 499 or 599 now, then yeah, I'd expect this to be absolutely 'it' for 3 years at least.
Thinking about it, the price point does leave open the price flexibility, at least, to slot another PS4 into the mix if this is going to be a long gen (more than 6 years). If not, then PS5 in more like 3 years makes sense. I don't think they'll actually do that, though. I don't think another revision like this in a two year timeframe is in their plans. But it is interesting to consider how they've positioned themselves in terms of pricing, and the doors it leaves open.
Gaming enthusiasts. And gaming enthusiasts like a 399 pricepoint, a lot.
SIE's philosophy on broader entertainment shifted after PS3. There they pushed a new entertainment media, and they got burned badly for it. They said from the start with PS4 that this was about games first, and you could see that in the way PS4 lagged even PS3 in media software features. Pro is no different, it's aimed at gamers. And I would hazard to suggest Sony has a lot of good hard data on how gamers use other entertainment media (or not) on their devices, and where the trends have been going over time. They're happy to incorporate media functionality and services, but not at the expense of other priorities. I'm sure in a future PS device there'll probably be a UHD drive unless the medium goes over a cliff - but when it's not cutting into something else thats more important, like either price, or budget for other more important components.
Papacheeks
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Ah, gotcha, I misread my bad.
Well to be fair majority of third party minus first party were playable on both PS4,PS3 in it's first year.
So now it makes it so they dont have to outsource for PS3 versions, and that the games will scale better across all platforms. I do believe what ever the next gen leap is its going to be huge in compute power.
Risk Breaker
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24 months from PS4P launch would be 5 years from PS4 launch, so a normal generation cycle, albeit slightly shorter than the predicted 6 years.
It's Scorpio that is late. 4 years after Xbone launch is an eternity.
GribbleGrunger
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You mean MS went with bigger numbers on a piece of paper and Sony went with releasing a better PS4 in November.
DeadOnions
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So you think Scorpio won't release? I'm not quite sure on the point you're making.
TrackZ
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Do you think that the next console after PS4 Pro will maintain compatibility with the PS4 library? MS is pretty firm that generations are over for them and games will carry forward indefinitely.
I'm concerned that Sony would ship a PS5 in the old model where games no longer play. I think this Pro is a misstep in some ways and I think making a definite generational cutoff may be the next one they do.
If Sony enforces generations and MS doesn't, the backlash will be immense.
I'm concerned that Sony would ship a PS5 in the old model where games no longer play. I think this Pro is a misstep in some ways and I think making a definite generational cutoff may be the next one they do.
If Sony enforces generations and MS doesn't, the backlash will be immense.
DeadOnions
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Honestly I hope they do BC but I don't want games developed for both PS4 and PS5. We had cross gen games for far too long this time and I'd hate to see it continue.
mejin
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Forward compatibility is a must to ensure continuity in their ecosystem.
TrackZ
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I'm not taking about forward compatibility. "Forward compatibility is a design characteristic that allows a system to gracefully accept input intended for a later version of itself."
FC means that PS4/Pro will play PS5 games in some reduced mode. I'm talking Sony also abandoning generations like MS so PS4 era games play on any PS model to come in the future. Like PC and like what MS is talking. The infinite backward compatibility.
How did you gather that from their response? Lmao its literally all on paper MS threw some numbers at what they are aiming at lets see what happens since thats all it is right now a high quality fully uncompressed pixel experience no one has ever seen.