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Pokémon Black/White |OT2| International Edition
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ColtraineGF
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1. In 'chaos', an egg is created.
2. Arceus is born.
3. Arceus creates Dialga (time), and Palkia (space). (and maybe Giratina [anti-time/space], but it was forgotten)
4. Arceus creates Uxie (knowledge), Mesprit (emotion), and Azelf (will).
5. Dialga and Palkia create 'matter'.
6. Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf create 'spirit'.
7. Arceus rests (<_<)
That's all from the Gen 4 games. Arceus himself doesn't create anything else, save for those 'Pokémon' (more like deities, really), who create the universe.
Aside from this, the other legendaries (myth-wise) came from other sources, some clear, some not-so-clear. Like where Celebi first comes in, seeing as there are an infinite amount of them due to time travel.
2. Arceus is born.
3. Arceus creates Dialga (time), and Palkia (space). (and maybe Giratina [anti-time/space], but it was forgotten)
4. Arceus creates Uxie (knowledge), Mesprit (emotion), and Azelf (will).
5. Dialga and Palkia create 'matter'.
6. Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf create 'spirit'.
7. Arceus rests (<_<)
That's all from the Gen 4 games. Arceus himself doesn't create anything else, save for those 'Pokémon' (more like deities, really), who create the universe.
Aside from this, the other legendaries (myth-wise) came from other sources, some clear, some not-so-clear. Like where Celebi first comes in, seeing as there are an infinite amount of them due to time travel.
PounchEnvy said:
I'm probably the only one who thinks something like this could be implemented into the battle system. Like, specific parts of each Pokemon's body would be effected more or less by attacks (physical ones only?).
Sure, Pikachu being effective at all on a Ground/Rock type is stupid, but still.
Well originally this all started when I explained the origin of the Legendary Pokemon to Gravijah, a topic which spans all of the media.Big One said:No I just ignore anime canon in a thread about the Pokemon games.
To be fair I didn't really use the anime to reference anything on the chart, I'm going off of the movies more than anything.PounchEnvy said:
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Did anyone else find some odd hints in B/W that the fundamental nature of the Pokemon universe is...off somehow?
Like Juniper making the comment about Klink only showing up 100 years ago, or how ridiculous a lot of the legendary lore is, or the fact that this is obviously taking place on an alternate earth. It makes me think of a sci-fi or fantasy story concept with a world shaped by people's perceptions and desires. Where Pokemon spring into being based on cultural memes. Maybe even being passed into the world by the thoughts of a world like ours, hence why so many of them resemble animals.
I'm reading too much into this, but its little niggling comments like that that make me hopeful there's some deeper, meta-story going on.
Like Juniper making the comment about Klink only showing up 100 years ago, or how ridiculous a lot of the legendary lore is, or the fact that this is obviously taking place on an alternate earth. It makes me think of a sci-fi or fantasy story concept with a world shaped by people's perceptions and desires. Where Pokemon spring into being based on cultural memes. Maybe even being passed into the world by the thoughts of a world like ours, hence why so many of them resemble animals.
I'm reading too much into this, but its little niggling comments like that that make me hopeful there's some deeper, meta-story going on.
Izayoi said:Well then here you go. Hopefully it will make sense of some of it.
Essentially, Arceus existed before the Universe.
He created the beings of Time, Space, and Anti-matter, who in turn created the Universe. After the Universe was created, they created the beings of Sky, Land, and Sea, falling dormant afterward and observing their creation from their own dimensions.
The Sky Trio created Earth, and the beings who shaped the planet (the Regis and Heatran).
Arceus also created the beings of the intangible. Those who governed over Emotion, Knowledge, Willpower, and Wishes.
From these Pokemon all modern-day Pokemon were born.
Note that the image links Mewtwo and Deoxys but their only real connection is that they're both related to DNA.
What the fuck.
A few things I'm curious about:
Are they getting rid of Pokemon being in "our" world? Unova is supposed to be based on America, specifically NYC. In past games, places like South America have been mentioned.
Have we seen all of Unova? To the north and west there's nothing but forest. Maybe we'll journey there during Grey or a sequel? Is Unova part of a bigger region, like the prior games?
Are they getting rid of Pokemon being in "our" world? Unova is supposed to be based on America, specifically NYC. In past games, places like South America have been mentioned.
Have we seen all of Unova? To the north and west there's nothing but forest. Maybe we'll journey there during Grey or a sequel? Is Unova part of a bigger region, like the prior games?
-Pyromaniac-
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Unova know.Gravijah said:
ColtraineGF
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Gravijah said:
The square is where Unova is. This map was from an early episode of BW.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
So can the move deleter erase HM moves?
MidnightScott
Banned
TheOGB said:To be fair, the movies don't even seem to be canon with the anime.
son of a bitch
They go back and forth. Like Ash remembered Lucario's hadou in an episode where he faced that one gym leader chick who had a Lucario.
Regulus Tera said:
Yes, that is why they exist. You can delete other moves when you learn new ones, but HM moves have to be deleted by the Move Deleter.
UltimateIke
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Yes.Regulus Tera said:
The movies are already in canon with the anime in their own ways. It isn't that hard to say this cause there is some major discrepancies that the anime episodes have with each other in general, so fitting it all into a single canon isn't very hard in the long run. Even then the movies don't provide a gateway to how the legendary Pokemon are in the games. Lucario and Zoraork certainly aren't legendary or have any real myths behind them in the video games, Mewtwo and Entei supposedly talk (the later has a completely different origin in the movie), Lugia is mistaken as a bird and made leader of the legendary bird trio, etc.Izayoi said:
It's all over the place. Nobody is really sure, but the only official map we have that shows all of the regions in one image is this:Gravijah said:
However if you piece together each of the regions based on the real-life areas that they resemble it looks more like this:
No, but they deal far more heavily with the myths and legends of the universe as opposed to the anime which barely touches on them (with the exception of Best Wishes, it seems like).TheOGB said:To be fair, the movies don't even seem to be canon with the anime.
They're far more relevant to the current discussion than the anime has ever been.
The movies never state that Lucario or Zoroark are Legendary, do they? I don't think anyone ever calls Lugia a bird, either. At least not in the Japanese version of the movie.Big One said:
We know through dialogue and information in the games that certain Pokemon are capable of communication via telepathy - I don't see how the movies visualizing that aspect discredits them.
I dunno, it seems like they're fairly accurate. They're obviously sanctioned by Gamefreak so they can't be too far off the mark, right?
The Technomancer
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Izayoi said:
Haha, I react the same way, but the games make it pretty clear that this is the way things happened. The idea I always got was that, as "legendary" or "mythical" Pokemon, stories were built up around these guys by old cultures (pre-Trainers), and that they aren't necessarily true (but could be).Dartastic said:
There's meant to be a sense of wonder around them, and I think that comes across effectively -- especially for a younger audience.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
....Grey needs to be a sequel. Please.
....please...
....please...
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Also, as cool as Unova was, I am getting kind of bummed out at how small the worlds/how short the main quest in each game is. I would love to have something similar to G/S "second quest", only maybe sometime they remake the entirety of the Kanto-derivative region.
FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUU
I finally beat the elite four and then
, But I can't beat
. I gotta grind more.
ALL I WANT IS MY LEAFGREEN POKEMON
I finally beat the elite four and then
I beat N
Ghetsis
ALL I WANT IS MY LEAFGREEN POKEMON
MidnightScott
Banned
Well I've got 372 in the dex and 55 hours & 30 minutes as my playtime.
Leveling up so many Pokémon that I won't be using is such a pain in the ass c.c
So glad I didn't buy both versions in English.
Leveling up so many Pokémon that I won't be using is such a pain in the ass c.c
So glad I didn't buy both versions in English.
Yes, yes they do.Izayoi said:
Communication via telepathy =/= human speaking, but I've never seen this dialogue you speak of so I can't really comment on that. The movies being in the same universe as the anime already discredits them for simply having Pokemon that repeatedly say their names over and over again.Izayoi said:
No, they aren't. Before the anime was made, a major person at Gamefreak did make rules to what the anime should follow. I forgot his name but I remember reading this is Iwata's Ask about Gamefreak's input on the anime being rather minimal. One of the rules was that Ash/Satoshi was to stay the protagonist forever. After that, the anime just did whatever it want. It's writers aren't the same as the people who write the Pokemon game, and aside from Gamefreak getting credited, they aren't really ordered to do anything from them. Gamefreak is a very small company and has no real big business stature like Nintendo does. The Pokemon anime is there to advertise the games for Nintendo to sell them.Izayoi said:
Amory
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Pokemon baffles me. I mean, when I was a kid and I bought a game boy color and pokemon red, I played through the game start to finish and I couldn't wait to turn it on and play more. Teachers even took away our game boys when they found us trying to play during class.
Fifteen(?) years later, I just can't do it anymore. I still get the appeal of the game, but I just can't justify grinding 90% of the time and playing through a storyline that refuses to change in any significant way between iterations. I mean in actuality, the story seems to have gotten worse since the first games, since basically everything seems the same, with the only exception being that everyone is nice to the player now, and no one seems remotely interested in defeating you in battles. Having a "rival" instead of "friends" at least was motivating.
I don't regret buying pokemon white, but I know for a fact that it's not for me anymore. And that's alright, but it sort of sucks too. :/
Fifteen(?) years later, I just can't do it anymore. I still get the appeal of the game, but I just can't justify grinding 90% of the time and playing through a storyline that refuses to change in any significant way between iterations. I mean in actuality, the story seems to have gotten worse since the first games, since basically everything seems the same, with the only exception being that everyone is nice to the player now, and no one seems remotely interested in defeating you in battles. Having a "rival" instead of "friends" at least was motivating.
I don't regret buying pokemon white, but I know for a fact that it's not for me anymore. And that's alright, but it sort of sucks too. :/
I think. Its like. In terms of Mew and Arceus's relationship.
Arceus created Mew. Mew transformed all the time (through imagination, destiny, or the will of Arceus, idk) into many different species, and made them permanent. But that would mean Mew can breed. Idk. Nvm dont listen to me.
Arceus created Mew. Mew transformed all the time (through imagination, destiny, or the will of Arceus, idk) into many different species, and made them permanent. But that would mean Mew can breed. Idk. Nvm dont listen to me.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
JackEtc said:
Revive spam. My highest-leveled Pokeyman was 48 when I beat him.
Alright, I want a capturing duo capable of dealing with anything, and I think I figured out who will serve my purposes:
Venonat @Heat Rock
Trait: Compound Eyes
- Baton Pass
- Foresight
- Sleep Powder
- Sunny Day
Absol
- Baton Pass
- False Swipe
- Mean Look
- Taunt
I'm pretty sure Absol is a lock. Right now, Venonat allows Absol to deal with Ghosts, dishes out Spore-accuracy sleep (thanks Compound Eyes!) kills weather that might damage the other Poke. The only thing that might get in the way is self-inflicted damage from the opponent's poke, but the only answer I see to that is sleep.
Is there anything I'm missing that might aid in capturing?
Venonat @Heat Rock
Trait: Compound Eyes
- Baton Pass
- Foresight
- Sleep Powder
- Sunny Day
Absol
- Baton Pass
- False Swipe
- Mean Look
- Taunt
I'm pretty sure Absol is a lock. Right now, Venonat allows Absol to deal with Ghosts, dishes out Spore-accuracy sleep (thanks Compound Eyes!) kills weather that might damage the other Poke. The only thing that might get in the way is self-inflicted damage from the opponent's poke, but the only answer I see to that is sleep.
Is there anything I'm missing that might aid in capturing?
UltimateIke
Member
You get a Cell Battery hold item that raises attack when you're hit by an electric attack. I have Black, so if you have White we could trade Blitzles!Zzoram said:
Well compared to Team Rocket, Team Plasma doesn't really seem too threatening. They may have grander scheme but it's not as menacing for obvious reasons. I think it's understandable to feel that the conflict isn't as big of a deal in Black/White than it is in previous generations.Izayoi said:
How strange is it that simple world domination is small-scale bad guy stuff in this series?
On another note, I was just thinking about how cool it would be if we got Gen I and II on the 3DS shop along with some method to transfer to Gen V, finally linking all gens together in some capacity.
On another note, I was just thinking about how cool it would be if we got Gen I and II on the 3DS shop along with some method to transfer to Gen V, finally linking all gens together in some capacity.
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