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Hitlersaurus Christ said:
Wait... Wally was supposed to be your rival?
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It never felt like there was a rival in RSE, just some kid who started his journey with a Ralts in between asthma attacks in a region with a volcano, a field inundated with soot, and a desert that he'd inevitably have to traverse, in the midst of weather disasters brought on by two criminal organizations reviving mythical titans.

Yeah, he never really seemed that important.
 
Gary was a pretty awesome rival. He literally accomplished your life dream before you did. Yeah, you beat him in the end, but so what? He accomplished what he wanted. It's like if America went the moon and Russia was there waiting for them. Yeah, America kicked down the Russian flag, but history will always show who was there first. Also, his champion theme is badass.

The rival in G/S/C was great too. I mean, he STOLE his Pokemon. He was instantly distinguishable from that and you knew that you were going to have some tough battles. He was sort of an anti-hero though. He helped you beat Team Rocket, but only because he wanted to get stronger and destroy Team Rocket for his own reasons. He eventually learns not to be evil and care for his Pokemon, which is a much bigger progression than Gary learning not to be a dick.

R/S/E had two rivals, but they managed to be the worst rivals ever. There's Wally, a sickly loser whose team includes a Delcatty. What's he going to do, get a handicapped parking space, making his walk to Victory Road a bit shorter? He had no story and no motivation. He was just some random Pokemon trainer. The other rival was the trainer who you didn't pick (if you are a boy, it's the girl and vice versa). I thought that fighting your counterpart/double was going to be awesome, but you never even get to fight the fully evolved version of his/her starter Pokemon. What the hell is up with that?

Pearl is also pretty crappy since he looks like he's late for a poetry reading, but he could at least put up a good fight and he shows up on weekend for some good experience points. He was an idiot in the game's story though. I wish they made the other trainer you didn't pick into one of your rivals.

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Dabookerman said:
She should look like Misty.

All girls should look like Misty.

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That would be funny if beat Misty easily then Ash comes out and instead of Mt. Silver he just kicks your ass right there
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
All you did was confirm that the
rival is not the champion you meet at the end
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Of course
the rival isn't the champion
, he's a thief!
 
They should organize gyms by the moves used, like allowing Starmie into an Ice gym because of Ice Beam or Gengar into an Electric gym because of Thunderbolt.

Or at least give them two types to potentially work with. Here's a Rock/Ground gym, here's Ghost/Poison, Dark/Psychic, Ice/Water, Fire/Electric, Grass/Bug, Steel/Fighting, Normal/Flying. Or if they need to organize so that gyms keep being beaten by a single type, then:

Bug/Grass - beat with Fire
Dark/Normal - beat with Fighting
Water/Rock - beat with Grass
Fighting/Poison - beat with Psychic
Fire/Ice - beat with Rock
Flying/Ground - beat with Ice
Ghost/Psychic - beat with Bug
Electric/Steel - beat with Ground


...That actually took me much longer to figure out than I thought it would, so eh, maybe the second idea is not so viable.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
I like theme teams and think they can be challenging just as long as they don't limit themselves to a single elemental type. It's not the RBY days anymore, where you could sweep just about everything using only psychics.

I'm thinking something like a fairy-form theme or an indeterminate form team etc would work well. Even a cute/fast/beautiful/badass theme team might be interesting.
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Oh yeah, those are neat. I hate the single-element ones, though, and more often that's what trainers and gyms have.

It would be neat to see, like, a "Big Pokemon" gym with Pokemon who are all over a certain weight size. You'd never know what you were about to fight.
 
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
It never felt like there was a rival in RSE, just some kid who started his journey with a Ralts in between asthma attacks in a region with a volcano, a field inundated with soot, and a desert that he'd inevitably have to traverse, in the midst of weather disasters brought on by two criminal organizations reviving mythical titans.

Yeah, he never really seemed that important.
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I thought it was funny that you basically save the world from being destroyed and then casually return to competing in the pokemon league. "Well, I save the world from being torn asunder. Now I can focus on what is really important... becoming pokemon champion!"
 
RagnarokX said:
I thought it was funny that you basically save the world from being destroyed and then casually return to competing in the pokemon league. "Well, I save the world from being torn asunder. Now I can focus on what is really important... becoming pokemon champion!"
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It made the most sense in RBY because Team Rocket had shit you needed to progress.

GSC also made some sense because Lance asked you to help and he is awesome.
 
RagnarokX said:
I thought it was funny that you basically save the world from being destroyed and then casually return to competing in the pokemon league. "Well, I save the world from being torn asunder. Now I can focus on what is really important... becoming pokemon champion!"
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You may have prevented the destruction of time and space and Cyrus' reimagining of the universe, but can you re-ignite the battle passion of the eighth Sinnoh gym leader?!


Edit: In R/B/Y it made sense because
Giovanni
was behind it all and he was the eighth gym leader.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
you know i feel kinda bad for gym leaders

they have to keep their pokemon shitty so the kids can get in
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I always got the feeling that the difficulty of the gyms was proportional to:

1) How big a membership the gym has and
2) The typical strength of the wild monsters in the area

So basically, most trainers in each region are hobbyists - they catch a few wild local pokemon, train them up a few levels and rest on their laurels. Most gym members, though stronger than your typical encounter, still give up their careers as trainers at some point and go back to school. The gym leaders are basically the strongest out of the local trainers. Of the trainers who undertake journeys like yours, most give up and go back home very early on, many not even earning one badge and most never obtaining their second or third.

I assume only superstars travel from town to town as you do, so most trainers never see anything much stronger than wild versions of the pokemon they have, so the gym leaders can't get much better.
 
So is all that info from CoroCoro real? Some sites saying it's fake, some saying unconfirmed.. whats going on :(
 
ShockingAlberto said:
It made the most sense in RBY because Team Rocket had shit you needed to progress.

GSC also made some sense because Lance asked you to help and he is awesome.
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Ehh, the only part that made sense was Giovanni being the last gym leader and you beating TR forcing him back into the gym. It was still the case of a 10 year old taking down a criminal organization

OH OH, I just realized. The double battle with Lance in the TR underground base will actually be a double battle now!

Also, am I the only one who liked the D/P rival? He had personality. Sure he wasn't a jerk but he was a competent trainer (with a bit of confidence issues) and had a good team. The only rival I truly hated was the R/S one. I mean, THE STARTER WAS NEVER FULLY EVOLVED!!! WTF?!
 
Zoramon089 said:
Also, am I the only one who liked the D/P rival?
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Nope!
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Zoramon089 said:
He had personality.
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Yup!

Zoramon089 said:
Sure he wasn't a jerk but he was a competent trainer (with a bit of confidence issues) and had a good team.
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Yup!

Zoramon089 said:
The only rival I truly hated was the R/S one. I mean, THE STARTER WAS NEVER FULLY EVOLVED!!! WTF?!
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True.
 
I wouldn't have minded the D/P rival not being totally evil if only somebody was. In both R/S/E and D/P/P we had nothing but vaguely misguided people who wanted to fix what they saw as problems, unlike the power-mad sadists that were Team Rocket and Silver.
 
Jiggy said:
I wouldn't have minded the D/P rival not being totally evil if only somebody was. In both R/S/E and D/P/P we had nothing but vaguely misguided people who wanted to fix what they saw as problems, unlike the power-mad sadists that were Team Rocket and Silver.
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Why does a villian need to be "evil" to be good? I mean Galaxy still did evil things. They threatened people, took over towns, blew up lakes, and tortured pokemon. And the Galactic henchmen were easily the most awesome ones, because they each seemed to have a specific personality and there was that one recurring one who lost his pokemon because he lost to you
 
You know what I don't like about the boy trainer? How they replaced his baggy cargo with what look to be leather shorts that bunch in at the legs. Looks strange.

But then again I quite liked the DPP Trainer's beret. So what do I know?
 
Zoramon089 said:
Why does a villian need to be "evil" to be good? I mean Galaxy still did evil things. They threatened people, took over towns, blew up lakes, and tortured pokemon. And the Galactic henchmen were easily the most awesome ones, because they each seemed to have a specific personality and there was that one recurring one who lost his pokemon because he lost to you
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Galactic's secret lab was one of the best organization hideout's i've seen in the game. Felt Earthboundish.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
I always got the feeling that the difficulty of the gyms was proportional to:

1) How big a membership the gym has and
2) The typical strength of the wild monsters in the area

So basically, most trainers in each region are hobbyists - they catch a few wild local pokemon, train them up a few levels and rest on their laurels. Most gym members, though stronger than your typical encounter, still give up their careers as trainers at some point and go back to school. The gym leaders are basically the strongest out of the local trainers. Of the trainers who undertake journeys like yours, most give up and go back home very early on, many not even earning one badge and most never obtaining their second or third.

I assume only superstars travel from town to town as you do, so most trainers never see anything much stronger than wild versions of the pokemon they have, so the gym leaders can't get much better.
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This would sort of be true. In several of the gyms on the show, the gyms were empty at times. So perhaps they were only called in when someone alerted the gym leader before hand that they, the trainer, wanted the badge.

However, there are two exceptions, first the Cerulean gym is apparently an aquatic aquarium like SeaWorld and the gym in Saffron is apparently a Psychics Paradise?
 
Jiggy said:
I wouldn't have minded the D/P rival not being totally evil if only somebody was. In both R/S/E and D/P/P we had nothing but vaguely misguided people who wanted to fix what they saw as problems, unlike the power-mad sadists that were Team Rocket and Silver.
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Actually, I would say that it actually makes the villian a GOOD villian by them thinking they are doing the right thing.

Thats much more realistic . . . I mean, thats how wars happen in todays world. No one things that they are doing evil shit just for the sake of doing evil shit, they think that what they are doing is the right thing/ good. And like Zoramon089 said, they did do some missed up shit and they did have personas which I liked.
 
Black-Wind said:
Actually, I would say that it actually makes the villian a GOOD villian by them thinking they are doing the right thing.

Thats much more realistic . . . I mean, thats how wars happen in todays world. No one things that they are doing evil shit just for the sake of doing evil shit, they think that what they are doing is the right thing/ good. And like Zoramon089 said, they did do some missed up shit and they did have personas which I liked.
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Yup. Most of the real world's "villains" are actually people like that. Just think of every major evil person over the course of history till now, and look at their back story. Most just turned down the wrong path in life.
 
Black-Wind said:
Actually, I would say that it actually makes the villian a GOOD villian by them thinking they are doing the right thing.

Thats much more realistic . . . I mean, thats how wars happen in todays world. No one things that they are doing evil shit just for the sake of doing evil shit, they think that what they are doing is the right thing/ good. And like Zoramon089 said, they did do some missed up shit and they did have personas which I liked.
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Teknoman said:
Yup. Most of the real world's "villains" are actually people like that. Just think of every major evil person over the course of history till now, and look at their back story. Most just turned down the wrong path in life.
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yeah but this is fucking pokemon who cares about that shit
 
So what do you guys do when a new game comes out? Do you just transfer everything from the old ones to the new ones when you beat the game (Ruby/Emerald/Sapphire to Diamond/Pearl/Plat for instance), or do you catch them all over again?

And yay! I'm almost done with the elite four! I can finally almost start playing the game and get a real team together!
 
Zoramon089 said:
Why does a villian need to be "evil" to be good?
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Iin a passive literary sense, they don't. In an active game context, I don't like demotivators against beating the "bad guys." With two hundred or so totally neutral trainers per game stopping my progress and challenging me to battles on the spot for no discernible reason, there should be at least a few enemies who I actively dislike.
 
Guess prime GAF summer tournament time would be mid-late june?

Yes I still want to at least help someone organize wi-fi D/P/Plat tournament.
 
Black-Wind said:
Seems like Notch Eared Pichu and Pika-colored Pichu are confirmed or atleast Serebii says it's NE Pichu.
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But those easily could be event Pokemon to correspond with a preorder or movie release.

Eteric Rice said:
Okay, I'm on the island, and I even played in battle tower.

Where can I go to catch more Pokemon? Everything seems blocked off. -_-
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Should be some areas like off to the East on the island that you may have to swim to. It has been a while and it may be different on Platinum. Also can catch Pokemon from swarms and PokeRadar once you get the National Dex.
 
OutLawSuit said:
But those easily could be event Pokemon to correspond with a preorder or movie release.
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Ummm, what is this refering to?

I was refering to the whole breeding trates thing from Wii Will Rock U seeing as he used NE Pichu was his example.
 
Yeah. I'm just saying the notched eared Pichu could also be an event Pokemon rather than something that results from breeding; there is a new movie coming out this summer after all. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
Eteric Rice said:
Okay, I'm on the island, and I even played in battle tower.

Where can I go to catch more Pokemon? Everything seems blocked off. -_-
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You need to have seen every entry in the non-national Pokedex. In Platinum I think you talk to some NPCs in that town with Cynthia's grandmother to see Dialga/Palkia, but I'm not quite sure.
 
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