Pokemon sequel is under development for DS
- Thread starter neo2046
- Start date
All I read was people saying they want a new engine. And besides he was talking about the map layout.Brazil said:
I'm just saying, guys, do not expect any changes to the core gameplay. You're gonna walk tiles and you're gonna have turn based battles. It's ridiculous expecting something else.
Vinterbird
Member
upandaway said:
But haven't they been talking up the game as a total reboot, new start and a new Pokemon experience? Keeping all the old traditions would be going against that mantra?
No, because it'd look fucking horrendous on DS. Unless you're implying it should be saved for a more powerful system! If it's on DS it can't handle full 3D camera and still look good. Much as I hate the constant samey direction Pokémon takes with every "sequel", at least right now it LOOKS good, yeah?bounchfx said:
I'm with whoever else wants this game to be NEW instead of NOT NEW. And if I'm the only one who wants that, then I guess I'm with myself.
I'm intrigued by this "reboot" idea.
Also: if ever a Pokémon game lets me be a member of Team Rocket (or whatever the fuck other bullshit enemy teams you have these days) I will buy it day one. And yeah, I know that will never happen!
EDIT: Tile-based movement is not "pokeymans". It is an antiquated relic of a bygone age. And fuck, it isn't even that. It was just a stupid design decision.
Turn-based battles I'm willing to concede, even though "tradition" doesn't necessarily mean "requirement."
I'm not even gonna inject my opinion into this, but I will seriously start questioning myself if I ever hear Masuda say that tile movement is a stupid design decision. We're talking about the person who refuses to put Pokemon on a console because it will lose part of its social aspect.Twig said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Tile based movement is how the most of the series works. Each tile has its own RNG check for Pokemon rarity and whether you'll be attacked. If you switched to a radius alert for trainers, they'd need pathfinding to get to you.
I'm not saying it's impossible, because these things have clearly been done before. I'm saying they're not going to do it. There's a reason why Colloseum only let you capture Pokemon from trainers who were in easy to handle arenas.
I'm not saying it's impossible, because these things have clearly been done before. I'm saying they're not going to do it. There's a reason why Colloseum only let you capture Pokemon from trainers who were in easy to handle arenas.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Yeah, I can totally see how open Gamefreak is open to rather sweeping changes in the fundamental way they do things.
Dabookerman
Member
I would love change. Not because I'm tired of the formula. But simply because it would be neat to see Pokemon in a completely different way.
It won't happen though.
*shrugs.
It won't happen though.
*shrugs.
ShockingAlberto
Member
It'd be awesome if you could point out where I said they shouldn't do it or couldn't do it.Twig said:
ShockingAlberto
Member
Man, Crushed 2 is kind of a dick.
Not that I don't want the tile movement to be gone (I'm still digging the original Zelda movement), but uh, is that really such an important change to you? It's kinda stupid and irrelevant.
By the way if I'm gonna make a prediction for the new big change, I'm gonna say pick whatever is really fundamental in Animal Crossing that isn't already in Pokemon.
I always say that Game Freak is taking Pokemon in the Animal Crossing direction, and I don't think it's gonna change now. Probably customization and player visits to show off said customization.
By the way if I'm gonna make a prediction for the new big change, I'm gonna say pick whatever is really fundamental in Animal Crossing that isn't already in Pokemon.
I always say that Game Freak is taking Pokemon in the Animal Crossing direction, and I don't think it's gonna change now. Probably customization and player visits to show off said customization.
Is it irrelevant? It's slow and cumbersome and just plain stupid. There's absolutely no (valid) reason for tile-based movement to exist in a game like this.
If it makes the game better, then it is not irrelevant.
The only reason it still exists is because the developers are lazy.
As for whether or not it's important... no, it's not important by itself, but just like some people pop a boner over the tiniest of EV changes, this would be an improvement for me. And certainly a more important improvement than some hidden number that holds absolutely no meaning or value for me. (Although I think maybe I read at some point they made these values less hidden, my point still stands. They're meaningless, hidden or not.)
If it makes the game better, then it is not irrelevant.
The only reason it still exists is because the developers are lazy.
As for whether or not it's important... no, it's not important by itself, but just like some people pop a boner over the tiniest of EV changes, this would be an improvement for me. And certainly a more important improvement than some hidden number that holds absolutely no meaning or value for me. (Although I think maybe I read at some point they made these values less hidden, my point still stands. They're meaningless, hidden or not.)
A Link to the Past
Banned
I can see what Twig is trying to say.
I actually think it will be much more of a bother to them than an asset to you to fix it. As Alberto said, every randomized aspect of the game is decided by the tiles.
Not that any of that matters, because they're as likely to change that as they are likely to go over the type matchups/bad Pokemon and rewrite those completely.
Actually that's something I really, really want. The type chart could really use a new injection of balance and logic. Poison type, for example, needs to be strong against both Psychic and Fighting (not only is it logical it also helps the balance a lot, as Poison is the worst type in the game. Even Normal has immunity).
Not that any of that matters, because they're as likely to change that as they are likely to go over the type matchups/bad Pokemon and rewrite those completely.
Actually that's something I really, really want. The type chart could really use a new injection of balance and logic. Poison type, for example, needs to be strong against both Psychic and Fighting (not only is it logical it also helps the balance a lot, as Poison is the worst type in the game. Even Normal has immunity).
I think the tile-based movement will disappear when the series finally switches to 3D, and I'll be very glad for the change.
However, upandaway is right that a lot of random mechanics are based on tile-movement and there's no real reason or impetus for GF to change all that until they really need to.
However, upandaway is right that a lot of random mechanics are based on tile-movement and there's no real reason or impetus for GF to change all that until they really need to.
Twig said:
Hehe I agree with what you're saying. Pokemon is nintendo's baby though. I doubt they will ever let them change anything substantial. And fans are more than willing to eat anything with Pokemon in the title up so, I don't see them taking any big risks with this new one, specially now that its been confirmed for the DS and not 3DS.
Has Gamefreak ever given any reason why they don't make EVs/IVs a clear and present game feature?
Affeinvasion
Member
Don't fix what ain't broken. As long as Pokemon keeps selling millions of copies they will not change the mechanics so much that it would alienate a huge part of the fanbase. That's what spinoffs are for.
jamesinclair
Banned
ShockingAlberto said:
Couldnt you make invisible tiles, each with their own RNG check, but allow the character to move freely?
So you can walk freely but the check is done when you enter a hidden tile. It doesnt matter if you walk into the top 1/3 of the tile or the bottom 1/3.
Jet Grind Radio!
Banned
The only thing I really want is 3D battles, like the Stadiums.
That and just having an icon for Weather instead of informing the player after every turn.
That and just having an icon for Weather instead of informing the player after every turn.
Zoramon089
Banned
eggandI said:
You act like it won't sell regardless or that Nintendo even has a say in what Gamefreak does. There's been absolutely no indication that ANYTHING gamefreak has done with the series has been because of any Nintendo mandate...
Affeinvasion
Member
Zilch said:
Complete apples and oranges argument. The biggest mistake people make is in thinking that Final Fantasy games are sequels and therefore behave as such. All final fantasy games have had drastic changes in engine and the audience is much different than pokemon. Pokemon is completely formulaic. Aside from the people who are blinded by nostalgia and like the original 150 over all the other (good) pokemon added, pokemon fans want MORE pokemon.
If i could pick one thing to change in the game formula:
More persistant trainers like your rival and your friend. Have a group of like 10 trainers who have a believable group of pokemon (not 99% percent of the NPCs you encounter who only have like two slowpokes, 6 pidgeys or a abra and a kadabra) who you frequently encounter and grow with you. Give them a little backstory and character.
Think something like that Ritchy guy from the first few seasons of the pokemon anime and offcourse Gary and the other rivals.
More persistant trainers like your rival and your friend. Have a group of like 10 trainers who have a believable group of pokemon (not 99% percent of the NPCs you encounter who only have like two slowpokes, 6 pidgeys or a abra and a kadabra) who you frequently encounter and grow with you. Give them a little backstory and character.
Think something like that Ritchy guy from the first few seasons of the pokemon anime and offcourse Gary and the other rivals.