Pokemon sequel is under development for DS

Brazil said:
The graphics engine is what people are talking about.
All I read was people saying they want a new engine. And besides he was talking about the map layout.

I'm just saying, guys, do not expect any changes to the core gameplay. You're gonna walk tiles and you're gonna have turn based battles. It's ridiculous expecting something else.
 
upandaway said:
All I read was people saying they want a new engine. And besides he was talking about the map layout.

I'm just saying, guys, do not expect any changes to the core gameplay. You're gonna walk tiles and you're gonna have turn based battles. It's ridiculous expecting something else.

But haven't they been talking up the game as a total reboot, new start and a new Pokemon experience? Keeping all the old traditions would be going against that mantra?
 
argh, I just want a free roaming world. basically, skin Zelda OOT or even better Wind Waker (use that graphical style for the game), and just make it pokemon. free roaming, actually seeing pokemon in the wild, full 3d camera. PLEASE.
 
bounchfx said:
argh, I just want a free roaming world. basically, skin Zelda OOT or even better Wind Waker (use that graphical style for the game), and just make it pokemon. free roaming, actually seeing pokemon in the wild, full 3d camera. PLEASE.

Cmon man, that's not really the Pokemon style. While I want a 3D game on a system that's capable of decent 3D, I think it should retain the route-based style of the games, just expand them quite a bit. Maybe more like FFXII's overworld?
 
bounchfx said:
argh, I just want a free roaming world. basically, skin Zelda OOT or even better Wind Waker (use that graphical style for the game), and just make it pokemon. free roaming, actually seeing pokemon in the wild, full 3d camera. PLEASE.
This would work so well on the 3DS. I want it :(
 
Vinterbird said:
But haven't they been talking up the game as a total reboot, new start and a new Pokemon experience? Keeping all the old traditions would be going against that mantra?
The problem is that turn based combat and tile navigation is not just "old traditions". It's Pokemon. They won't change the fundamentals no matter how much you believe in their "major innovations" they talked about.
 
bounchfx said:
argh, I just want a free roaming world. basically, skin Zelda OOT or even better Wind Waker (use that graphical style for the game), and just make it pokemon. free roaming, actually seeing pokemon in the wild, full 3d camera. PLEASE.
No, because it'd look fucking horrendous on DS. Unless you're implying it should be saved for a more powerful system! If it's on DS it can't handle full 3D camera and still look good. Much as I hate the constant samey direction Pokémon takes with every "sequel", at least right now it LOOKS good, yeah?

I'm with whoever else wants this game to be NEW instead of NOT NEW. And if I'm the only one who wants that, then I guess I'm with myself.

I'm intrigued by this "reboot" idea.

Also: if ever a Pokémon game lets me be a member of Team Rocket (or whatever the fuck other bullshit enemy teams you have these days) I will buy it day one. And yeah, I know that will never happen!

EDIT: Tile-based movement is not "pokeymans". It is an antiquated relic of a bygone age. And fuck, it isn't even that. It was just a stupid design decision.

Turn-based battles I'm willing to concede, even though "tradition" doesn't necessarily mean "requirement."
 
Twig said:
EDIT: Tile-based movement is not "pokeymans". It is an antiquated relic of a bygone age. And fuck, it isn't even that. It was just a stupid design decision.
I'm not even gonna inject my opinion into this, but I will seriously start questioning myself if I ever hear Masuda say that tile movement is a stupid design decision. We're talking about the person who refuses to put Pokemon on a console because it will lose part of its social aspect.
 
Tile based movement is how the most of the series works. Each tile has its own RNG check for Pokemon rarity and whether you'll be attacked. If you switched to a radius alert for trainers, they'd need pathfinding to get to you.

I'm not saying it's impossible, because these things have clearly been done before. I'm saying they're not going to do it. There's a reason why Colloseum only let you capture Pokemon from trainers who were in easy to handle arenas.
 
I can honestly say I never thought I'd see the day when someone would DEFEND tile-based movement as a result of anything more than nostalgia-induced love.

Shit is fucking sad.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Yeah, I can totally see how open Gamefreak is open to rather sweeping changes in the fundamental way they do things.
God forbid they not be lazy pieces of shit and actually put some effort into things beyond beauty shows and hidden numbers.

Oh me oh my whatever shall they do! Pathfinding? PATHFINDING? We need SEVENTEEN PLAYSTATION THREES to implement PATHFINDING!!
 
I would love change. Not because I'm tired of the formula. But simply because it would be neat to see Pokemon in a completely different way.

It won't happen though.

*shrugs.
 
Twig said:
God forbid they not be lazy pieces of shit and actually put some effort into things beyond beauty shows and hidden numbers.

Oh me oh my whatever shall they do! Pathfinding? PATHFINDING? We need SEVENTEEN PLAYSTATION THREES to implement PATHFINDING!!
It'd be awesome if you could point out where I said they shouldn't do it or couldn't do it.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
It'd be awesome if you could point out where I said they shouldn't do it or couldn't do it.
It'd be awesome if you could point out where I said you said those things.

Protip: there is a difference between wouldn't and shouldn't/couldn't.
 
fight fight fight

ey Shoking Alberto, i herd twig talking bout yo momma to me in pms you gonna let him get away wit dat??
 
naw dawg digletts are for n00bz
u need to use mewtwo, it was in a movie and it was the strongest so use that 1
 
but whre can i get mewtwo

and wouldn't mewthree be better where can i get him

edit: are you calling me crushed 2? :lol
 
Haha I hope so, cause I was just joking around and hear he was a complete prick.

Let's bond over some pokemon, guys
 
Not that I don't want the tile movement to be gone (I'm still digging the original Zelda movement), but uh, is that really such an important change to you? It's kinda stupid and irrelevant.

By the way if I'm gonna make a prediction for the new big change, I'm gonna say pick whatever is really fundamental in Animal Crossing that isn't already in Pokemon.
I always say that Game Freak is taking Pokemon in the Animal Crossing direction, and I don't think it's gonna change now. Probably customization and player visits to show off said customization.
 
Is it irrelevant? It's slow and cumbersome and just plain stupid. There's absolutely no (valid) reason for tile-based movement to exist in a game like this.

If it makes the game better, then it is not irrelevant.

The only reason it still exists is because the developers are lazy.

As for whether or not it's important... no, it's not important by itself, but just like some people pop a boner over the tiniest of EV changes, this would be an improvement for me. And certainly a more important improvement than some hidden number that holds absolutely no meaning or value for me. (Although I think maybe I read at some point they made these values less hidden, my point still stands. They're meaningless, hidden or not.)
 
It would definitely help the world feel more organic. But it would also cause a fundamental shift in many of the game mechanics. I'm not sure if GF is up to that.
 
I actually think it will be much more of a bother to them than an asset to you to fix it. As Alberto said, every randomized aspect of the game is decided by the tiles.

Not that any of that matters, because they're as likely to change that as they are likely to go over the type matchups/bad Pokemon and rewrite those completely.


Actually that's something I really, really want. The type chart could really use a new injection of balance and logic. Poison type, for example, needs to be strong against both Psychic and Fighting (not only is it logical it also helps the balance a lot, as Poison is the worst type in the game. Even Normal has immunity).
 
I think the tile-based movement will disappear when the series finally switches to 3D, and I'll be very glad for the change.

However, upandaway is right that a lot of random mechanics are based on tile-movement and there's no real reason or impetus for GF to change all that until they really need to.
 
Twig said:
God forbid they not be lazy pieces of shit and actually put some effort into things beyond beauty shows and hidden numbers.

Oh me oh my whatever shall they do! Pathfinding? PATHFINDING? We need SEVENTEEN PLAYSTATION THREES to implement PATHFINDING!!

Hehe I agree with what you're saying. Pokemon is nintendo's baby though. I doubt they will ever let them change anything substantial. And fans are more than willing to eat anything with Pokemon in the title up so, I don't see them taking any big risks with this new one, specially now that its been confirmed for the DS and not 3DS.

Has Gamefreak ever given any reason why they don't make EVs/IVs a clear and present game feature?
 
Twig said:
God forbid they not be lazy pieces of shit and actually put some effort into things beyond beauty shows and hidden numbers.

Oh me oh my whatever shall they do! Pathfinding? PATHFINDING? We need SEVENTEEN PLAYSTATION THREES to implement PATHFINDING!!
Someone ate your breakfast?

Dear fucking lord.
 
Don't fix what ain't broken. As long as Pokemon keeps selling millions of copies they will not change the mechanics so much that it would alienate a huge part of the fanbase. That's what spinoffs are for.
 
Affeinvasion said:
Don't fix what ain't broken. As long as Pokemon keeps selling millions of copies they will not change the mechanics so much that it would alienate a huge part of the fanbase. That's what spinoffs are for.

Ain't it the truth.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
Tile based movement is how the most of the series works. Each tile has its own RNG check for Pokemon rarity and whether you'll be attacked. If you switched to a radius alert for trainers, they'd need pathfinding to get to you.

I'm not saying it's impossible, because these things have clearly been done before. I'm saying they're not going to do it. There's a reason why Colloseum only let you capture Pokemon from trainers who were in easy to handle arenas.

Couldnt you make invisible tiles, each with their own RNG check, but allow the character to move freely?

So you can walk freely but the check is done when you enter a hidden tile. It doesnt matter if you walk into the top 1/3 of the tile or the bottom 1/3.
 
Affeinvasion said:
Don't fix what ain't broken. As long as Pokemon keeps selling millions of copies they will not change the mechanics so much that it would alienate a huge part of the fanbase. That's what spinoffs are for.

Bleh no thanks. Honestly if Gen 5 is just an upgrade from DPPlHGSS it won't be a day 1 purchase for me, as much as I love the series. But overall this is a horrible mindset for both developers and players to have.
 
eggandI said:
Hehe I agree with what you're saying. Pokemon is nintendo's baby though. I doubt they will ever let them change anything substantial. And fans are more than willing to eat anything with Pokemon in the title up so, I don't see them taking any big risks with this new one, specially now that its been confirmed for the DS and not 3DS.

Has Gamefreak ever given any reason why they don't make EVs/IVs a clear and present game feature?

You act like it won't sell regardless or that Nintendo even has a say in what Gamefreak does. There's been absolutely no indication that ANYTHING gamefreak has done with the series has been because of any Nintendo mandate...
 
Don't you guys remember how poorly FF7 did sales-wise after FF6?! Don't change a series radically unless you want bad sales!
 
Twig said:
I can honestly say I never thought I'd see the day when someone would DEFEND tile-based movement as a result of anything more than nostalgia-induced love.

Shit is fucking sad.
You can say whatever you want, but in the end of the day, you'll be crying and we'll be smiling.
 
Zilch said:
Don't you guys remember how poorly FF7 did sales-wise after FF6?! Don't change a series radically unless you want bad sales!

Complete apples and oranges argument. The biggest mistake people make is in thinking that Final Fantasy games are sequels and therefore behave as such. All final fantasy games have had drastic changes in engine and the audience is much different than pokemon. Pokemon is completely formulaic. Aside from the people who are blinded by nostalgia and like the original 150 over all the other (good) pokemon added, pokemon fans want MORE pokemon.
 
Zilch said:
Bleh no thanks. Honestly if Gen 5 is just an upgrade from DPPlHGSS it won't be a day 1 purchase for me, as much as I love the series. But overall this is a horrible mindset for both developers and players to have.

Whether or not it's a "good" mindset to have, it's the truth. Just look at Pokemon's 10 year history.
 
If i could pick one thing to change in the game formula:

More persistant trainers like your rival and your friend. Have a group of like 10 trainers who have a believable group of pokemon (not 99% percent of the NPCs you encounter who only have like two slowpokes, 6 pidgeys or a abra and a kadabra) who you frequently encounter and grow with you. Give them a little backstory and character.

Think something like that Ritchy guy from the first few seasons of the pokemon anime and offcourse Gary and the other rivals.
 
Kawaii said:
If i could pick one thing to change in the game formula:

More persistant trainers like your rival and your friend. Have a group of like 10 trainers who have a believable group of pokemon (not 99% percent of the NPCs you encounter who only have like two slowpokes, 6 pidgeys or a abra and a kadabra) who you frequently encounter and grow with you. Give them a little backstory and character.

Think something like that Ritchy guy from the first few seasons of the pokemon anime and offcourse Gary and the other rivals.

oh god this. I got through a majority of Platinum with just 4 pokemon. everyone is just cannonfoder.
 
I say boost the XP rate to like 2.5-3x what it currently is and make every trainer rematch-able. That way I can go through the game raising every Pokemon I catch.
 
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