Spinosaurus
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How Mewtwo has 600 health with all his tools is beyond me.
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Pokkén Tournament |OT| King of Iron Tail Tournament
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ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Not to mention the safest fucking combos. Him and Suicune are testing my nerves.
I think it's just that Reshiram is extremely good and Cresselia comes with him and has a fast charge. If you're using standard cheer, you start with Cresselia to set up round 2 then you can switch to Reshiram and have him ready right away. He just comes out so fast, does a ton of damage, and debuffs their attack stat too. He's super good as a "get off me" for zoners as well even if he's blocked.
But I don't think I'd use them for speedy characters that already fill their meter fast but it's strong on most of the roster.
Spinosaurus
Member
My one issue with Reshiram is that you can't move throughout the duration of the assist. The damage is nice, but I much prefer the stuff I can do out of say, Farfecth'd.
Cresselia is super good though.
Cresselia is super good though.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I swear every online Suicune match is the most laggiest. I can't react at all to his beams.
Nocturnowl
Member
So has any fellow Machamp player actually succeeded in using the aerial grab? due to this game's rock/paper/scissors mentality it seems that the only time it's ever going to work is if your opponent decides to do a completely neutral jump with no attack plan, a scenario I've never encountered.
You'd think that I'd be able to grab Suicine as it prepares its aerial blizzard but NOPE, sweet jesus that matchup was absolutely agonizing.
Eventually Suicine realised it was pretty safe just using jump back light aerials for all eternity in the combat phase.
You'd think that I'd be able to grab Suicine as it prepares its aerial blizzard but NOPE, sweet jesus that matchup was absolutely agonizing.
Eventually Suicine realised it was pretty safe just using jump back light aerials for all eternity in the combat phase.
Nocturnowl
Member
....oh, well that knowledge is handy.
toastyToast
Member
Finally unlocked Shadow Mewtwo
The Ferrum champ using
was a no brainer
The Ferrum champ using
Machamp
Streaming ranked with Gardevoir if anyone's interested: https://www.twitch.tv/beatsjp/
edit: done for now.
edit: done for now.
Spinosaurus
Member
It's pretty great after a knockdown. They'd be expecting an aerial since you'd be jumping, so they'll probably try to block or counter. It's great to keep momentum, and it doesn't change phases in duel to boot.
toastyToast
Member
Was playing a ranked match and somehow I got critical thrown out of an attack. Don't I have to be charging a counter attack? How the hell does that work?
Zomba13
Member
One thing I think is lacking on the Single Player front that I expected was a fight against Nia and her Weavile. Like, it's a Weavile, a member of the cast and she won't stop talking about it so I expected her to be the true secret super overlord of the Ferrum league and of course you slaughter everyone else, she chose you as her pupil/mentee/whatever. But nah, no super duper hard fight against her top god tier Weavile.
Could it have been a special counter attack? Like a command counter? Like Chandelure's Overheat (up+a in duel mode) is a counter attack but seperate from the standard counter. Like you might have used a move that could be charged and has the "counter" property but not the common X+A counter attack and got thrown out of it.
Could it have been a special counter attack? Like a command counter? Like Chandelure's Overheat (up+a in duel mode) is a counter attack but seperate from the standard counter. Like you might have used a move that could be charged and has the "counter" property but not the common X+A counter attack and got thrown out of it.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yeah it kept seeming like Nia wanted to fight. She probably would've cheated tho
Zomba13
Member
And then taunted you "Good job! Looked like my advice really helped you!"
Glitchesarecool
Member
Cheering from Nia: Your support and synergy gauges no longer fill.
RomanceDawn
Member
Huh, just found out Blazekin's high stance blocks higher projectiles, but not all, and his low stance block projectiles that travel closer to the ground.
Garrett Hawke
Member
toastyToast
Member
So you're saying the league that unlocks after A doesn't Nia at the tippity top? Man
I was hoping to beat her ass and have her like, "Yeah, me and Weavile don't talk any more."
I don't even know tbh. I was in Mega Lucario form and got the first X of 2, had an easy 250+ combo ready and the game pretty much froze and then when it came back I was thrown for hella damage. Whatever latency but I never did a counter attack so I don't get how it happened which is blowing my mind. It was against Blaziken if that makes a difference.
I was hoping to beat her ass and have her like, "Yeah, me and Weavile don't talk any more."
I don't even know tbh. I was in Mega Lucario form and got the first X of 2, had an easy 250+ combo ready and the game pretty much froze and then when it came back I was thrown for hella damage. Whatever latency but I never did a counter attack so I don't get how it happened which is blowing my mind. It was against Blaziken if that makes a difference.
Went from D5 to D3 today. Some close fights here and there. I need to get better at dealing with opponents once they get in though.
also, Burst mode is so scary. ._.
You can check all the stance effects here if you'd like to know what the rest of the cast does: http://pokkenarena.boards.net/thread/577/character-specific-high-stance-mechanics
also, Burst mode is so scary. ._.
You can check all the stance effects here if you'd like to know what the rest of the cast does: http://pokkenarena.boards.net/thread/577/character-specific-high-stance-mechanics
Glitchesarecool
Member
Oh wow, I didn't know high stance would charge Mewtwo's synergy gauge. That seems really important to use with them.
Zomba13
Member
:O Charizard's High Stance avoids throws? That seems really OP to me.
Her Weavile is in the top percentage of weaviles.
It's the only way Gengar can be threatening.
She doesn't even have a Pokemon nor has participated in a battle or anything. She just got there by going with her gut, and you were foolish enough to believe her.
That's Gengar's A move right? It's pretty high up there. Someone's actually working on a projectile priority table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jHIVUVH5zqcPmsk_kdaCkk2AayT1nJfHfWpcvMYRoso/edit?usp=sharing
From here:http://smashboards.com/threads/projectile-priority.433809/
Vermillion
Banned
What does one do against Mewtwo's Burst Attack and why is it a grab?
Jump out of it iirc.
Gengar's is also a grab. If it's like that, you need to either be in the air or spaced far away. Of course, these characters can also cover jumps so nothing's all that safe.
I haven't fought many Mewtwos though, so I can't say on the exact properties of the move. It may hit partially in the air.
Vermillion
Banned
So basically "don't be anywhere near it?" How is this balanced? Especially on Mewtwo?!
SparksterMeta0
Member
Finally hit D rank.
Also had my first opponent disconnect just as I was about to beat him.
Also had my first opponent disconnect just as I was about to beat him.
Glitchesarecool
Member
The same can be said about all the other burst attacks...
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It's not
twothunder
Member
Just started with the game and finished the tutorials.
Guess I still have a long way to go
Guess I still have a long way to go
It's normal to be at a huge disadvantage when your opponent is in burst. Sure, it might be more lopsided with him, but it mostly seems like par for the course.
I'm pretty sure that if you haven't started an attack, you can jump to avoid Mewtwo's burst attack right after the superflash.
I don't have him unlocked to test and I haven't fought many, but I'm almost positive that I've been able to do that before. If so I'd say that's a pretty big disadvantage to the attack.
I don't have him unlocked to test and I haven't fought many, but I'm almost positive that I've been able to do that before. If so I'd say that's a pretty big disadvantage to the attack.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Nope
How long does his burst last? You could just beat the shit out of him enough so that he leaves burst mode.
Seriously, when your opponent's in burst mode it's basically a game of keep away. On that note does anyone else here only active synergy burst when in dual mode for the most part. I can't expect myself to make good use of it in arena mode with Braixen and it's so much easier to get a successful burst Attack in.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Or summoning Reshiram to eat half of their synergy bar for you from a distance.
Since I use Gardevoir a lot I'm pretty much comfortable popping it off in either stage. Actually it's a lot of fun to hit burst after your opponent has and you can see them trying to get in to use their super.
Vermillion
Banned
I can at least shield the others. I'm at a disadvantage, sure, but I can still play RPS. If I'm near Mewtwo, on the other hand, I get wrecked by a RAW burst attack.
Alright, I guess I did manage to press jump beforehand whenever that happened.
Good to know.
MillionStabs
Banned
I found that I'm actually playing more better when I mapped my controls to be more like Smash.
B = Pokemon Move
ZR = Shield
Makes switching between the two games much easier tbh
B = Pokemon Move
ZR = Shield
Makes switching between the two games much easier tbh
Yeah, it can get pretty frustrating. I dunno if any of this will help, but I'll throw out some thoughts. A lot of it might already be obvious to you.
Some general tips:
Hypnosis has a pretty long range, combos into your regular grab in duel mode, and is good to throw out. Once in a while they'll even win the triangle thing and still miss their attack.
Cancelling shadow ball and hypnosis with R is fun and can mess with people sometimes.
Remember you don't have to approach always. Shadow ball is pretty good spam unless you're up against a zoning focused character, and you can mix in back A if they're caught on.
Cancelling astonish (jump A -> R) is really cool. Let's you go for a hypnosis or a shadow punch if they block.
If they get hit with anything that knocks them into the air, you can go for something like jump y (3 hits) -> A -> R -> down X, X for pretty good damage. Down X, X is strong and pretty nice to end things with in general (See this nice combo guide)
Take advantage of the fact that you disappear briefly before hypnosis and shadow punch (forward X). With the latter, you can also move forward or back as you disappear. Moving forward with shadow punch is great vs projectile throws that feel safe at mid range. Up X also makes you jump and move out of the way, so it's good if they throw out unsafe things, plus it's a great combo starter.
Charge shadow ball on knock down. Either get a good chunk of damage, or a nice mixup opportunity.
Throw out up Y if they jump in on you a lot. For some reason I keep forgetting I have this move.
Yeah, it kinda is. I think it's ok though mostly. It mostly just puts a ton of emphasis on either winning game 1 or surviving through an opponent's burst phase at least once.