British tabloid. No credible source is reporting it. Remember that story about the ambassador being raped?
And that's Kosmo's cue to bow out of the thread for another page.
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British tabloid. No credible source is reporting it. Remember that story about the ambassador being raped?
And that's Kosmo's cue to bow out of the thread for another page.
speculawyer
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They don't need sources. The bubble creates its own reality. Some vague factoid gets misquoted/misinterpreted/mistranslated and then embellished until there are mobile chemical weapons labs, a Kenyan in the whitehouse, a new work exemption from welfare, or a magical rape contraception system.
Bastions of journalistic integrity they are, it's not like they have all gotten in trouble for hacking people's phones nope.
"Obama skips intelligence briefings" is one of the dumbest recent conservative memes, and it's no shock to see you peddling it.
It's like trying to reason with the Joker. I just didn't want him to get away with no sources, that I cannot abide.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Funny enough "gun control" advocates operate the same way.
For example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U
Opiate posting furry porn. Now I've seen everything.
Red Blaster
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Ganesha killed it for me, look where his right arm is. Oh man lol.
Manmademan
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this is interesting because i had this argument with someone (who didn't take long to go full racist) earlier today.
These riots and fatwas and whatnot only seem to be an issue in the middle east. only about 20% of the world's muslims live there, the vast majority (the other 80) don't really seem to give a shit.
why is it that middle east muslims in particular seem to go apeshit over slights to islam?
speculawyer
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I liked this from Egypt:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I liked this from Egypt:
That gave me a huge laugh.
I liked this from Egypt:
I can't believe they tried that, LOL.
Byakuya769
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Put enough poor Christians living in similar conditions and I don't doubt the same would happen.
Manmademan
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the other 80% of the world's muslims aren't poor?
They don't live in the middle east and/or their religion isn't shoved down their throats by dictators and the like.
airmangataosenai
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Do you really not remember the murder of Theo van Gogh that originally sparked this whole thing? Because that happened in Denmark. His murder is what sparked the original push for the Muhammad cartoons, which lead to death threats against the creators and the paper that published it. Also in Denmark.
Moreover, Libya and Egypt are both in Africa.
Manmademan
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that's the thing. to clarify, this person was implying that there's something in islam itself that's responsible- I countered that the majority of the world's muslims were peaceful and not even from the middle east, and whatever it was was cultural and/or political.
not being well versed in middle eastern history and culture though, I have no idea why muslims in the middle east seem to be a LOT more volatile than elsewhere.
I do remember that, but the muslim that killed him was the son of moroccan immigrants- again, from north africa/the middle east. these weren't native dutch muslims that killed him.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Jesus Moses High Five!
whys he have upside down cross? am offended
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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He likes Slayer.
Eh, I'd say EVERYONE in the Middle East is more volatile. I mean look at Israel also.
I think it's just too much bad blood over the years, it gets ingrained in each generation.
I always knew Jesus was fuckin' metal.
Manmademan
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true, but israel (as we understand it today) is a relatively recent addition to the middle east, and the reason THEY'RE a mess is 100% political. no need to guess there.
Scars of colonialism is an easy guess.
Manmademan
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can you elaborate?
Indonesia isn't in the middle east or North Africa.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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The British and French and a smattering of Italy screwed up everything.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Don't forget the fun of Kuwait and the 19th (?) province!
Well, for one thing, the Muslims in the Middle East have been fighting Westerners over Palestine since Salah ad-din. In the more immediate sense, though, it's only been two hundred years or so since everything from Istanbul to Cairo to Algiers flew the flag of the Ottoman Empire. As the Ottomans declined, European powers began to annex and occupy formerly Muslim countries, and when they joined World War I, they were repaid by the wholesale dissection of the remains of the Empire into what we now know as the various Arabian states, mostly ruled originally by Britain and France. Most of them didn't achieve independence until the late 1940s. So you can see why they might have some resentment. And then, of course, there was the creation of Israel and the dispossession of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and then the constant interference during the Cold War (for example, Iran hates us specifically because we tried to keep their despotic ruler in power).
Basically just the normal colonial stuff, really.
It's like what happened in Africa, the colonial powers came in and divided up the region without bothering to check if the people in their borders hated each other or not. Then they proceeded to exploit them for years all the while pitting one group against the others to help them keep power. The exact same thing is what caused Rwanda's genocide.
Actually, they paid great attention to groups or even just potential groups so they could know where to divide them. With Rwanda in particular they drove a wedge between two relatively mobile work classes, turned them into castes, and used the divide to keep the people against each other so they couldn't oppose as a unified group. After they left the divide remained and people started killing each other.
"They've always been fighting" is actually the refrain of people seeking to politically exploit a conflict rather than those who would seek to mend it.
RustyNails
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Good observation. I think it is due to decades of living under oppressive regimes that carefully crafted messaging in their state-media arms. The dictators NEED Great Satan to survive. Think about it. Would the Ayatollahs in Iran sweep into power if they cozy up with America? No. It's in their best interest to keep masses frothing at US and Israel.
That, and the fluid nature of extremist groups that spill into Muslim communities, especially in middle east.
I admit I'm not a master of colonial history, but playing groups against each other is the point I was trying to make. It's natural they'd hate the western world after that. Thanks for the correction though, the more you know and all that.
I don't think it's all that exhausting copying and pasting from Drudge Report.
Aaron Strife
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I have to imagine if we took AZ and IN we'd probably be winning Wisconsin too.
I'm hopeful that Obama campaigning there will give him a more comfortable victory that would translate to downticket votes for Baldwin - I can see many Obama-Thompson voters.
PhoenixDark
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This is why Scott Brown will beat Warren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=aExxgbIuGlU
Fact wise, the ad is false; Brown's bill didn't make it to the floor, and the actual insider trading bill that was passed was created by Lieberman. Regardless it's a perfectly staged 30 second ad of regular ol' Scotty driving around the neighborhood tellin folks how he's got their back. He might as well be driving to the local bar to drink a couple Buds with some construction workers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=aExxgbIuGlU
Fact wise, the ad is false; Brown's bill didn't make it to the floor, and the actual insider trading bill that was passed was created by Lieberman. Regardless it's a perfectly staged 30 second ad of regular ol' Scotty driving around the neighborhood tellin folks how he's got their back. He might as well be driving to the local bar to drink a couple Buds with some construction workers
cartoon_soldier
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Romney campaign is now pretty much suggesting that the deaths wouldn't have occurred if Romney had been President. That is even more disgraceful from them.
of course...I don't know how it plays on the public's mind. Generally, events like these should do a rallying effect around the President.
of course...I don't know how it plays on the public's mind. Generally, events like these should do a rallying effect around the President.
Aaron Strife
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It's a tied race where Obama is going to crush at the top of the ticket. I don't think anyone can be making definitive statements yet
AZ and IN are polling a lot closer. WI is looking pretty unlikely with a popular former gov running over 50%
I mean, I want to win Wisconsin but at this point I'd say it's the longest of the Dem long shots.
Will Obama campaign with Warren though? What's the protocol on that since he's up for re-election as well? It's not like he'll be rallying in MA lol
ryutaro's mama
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Just wanted say, I come home from work daily and quickly read through all the pages I missed while @ work.
Everything is consolidated here for ease of use. You guys make it so I don't even have to bother scouring the web for all the news of the day.
With a sprinkling of Kid Kosmo.
PoliGAF is my favorite thread these days.
Everything is consolidated here for ease of use. You guys make it so I don't even have to bother scouring the web for all the news of the day.
With a sprinkling of Kid Kosmo.
PoliGAF is my favorite thread these days.
Aaron Strife
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Not to say that Thompson won't win (he probably will), but getting to 50+1 is more doable in Wisconsin than it is in Arizona and Indiana. It's close in those races because of high undecideds.
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