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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Kosmo

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Clevinger said:
I stopped reading here:

"If you read the whole thing, I’ll vote for you in November."
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Then I guess you missed this part:

PS. In the interest of full disclosure I should mention that I wrote a similar letter to President Obama. Of course, that was four years ago, and since I never heard back, I believe proper etiquette allows me to extend the same offer to you now. I figure if I post it here, the odds are better that someone you know might send it along to your attention.
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Clevinger

Member
Kosmo said:
Then I guess you missed this part:
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Is the fact that he offered the same dumb thing to Obama supposed to make me feel different?

I'd sympathize with him if he said "If you show some evidence that you'll try to correct the things I'm talking about, like in your campaign platform, then I'll vote for you." But no, he says "I'll vote for you if you read my letter" which sounds really myopic and stupid. Romney's (or Obama in 2008) positions could be the antithesis of what he wants, and he'd still vote for him, and probably influence his fans to support Romney, because he read his letter or at least took a picture with an iPad in his hand pretending he did. It's shallow.
 
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HylianTom

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ErasureAcer

Banned
HylianTom said:
Connecticut? Nevada? Haha.. nice.

Barring Obama being caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl, I'm thinking that Ohio is just about a done deal, and that Virginia is close behind.
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Guess Oregon is 7EVs ... so maybe that instead of Conn. Horrible prediction either way.
 
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HylianTom

Banned
The first SNL of the season begins in a bit over 20 minutes. Seth MacFarlane hosts.

I kinda wonder if they'll have anything to contribute to the political narrative tonight.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
ErasureAcer said:
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=zcb

Someone on DU thinks this will be the outcome. lol. 277 to 261 Obama. Said OH, FL will go Obama though so I filled in the blanks to make 277. Thought you guys would enjoy the laugh.
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If we go off of current polling this is my guess. Though honestly, while I gave Obama VA I'm not entirely comfortable giving it to him. It'll be interesting to see the numbers in a few weeks, if he stays up in VA I think he may have a shot at NC.

EDIT: Honestly at the rate this is all going, Romney might not break 200 EV's. (But I mean that's best case landslide territory.
 
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Manmademan

Member
B-Dubs said:
If we go off of current polling this is my guess. Though honestly, while I gave Obama VA I'm not entirely comfortable giving it to him. It'll be interesting to see the numbers in a few weeks, if he stays up in VA I think he may have a shot at NC.
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I could see obama losing IA or CO in a close election, but not both, and definitely not both if he's at 306 electoral votes elsewhere.

EDIT: Honestly at the rate this is all going, Romney might not break 200 EV's. (But I mean that's best case landslide territory.
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it would take a massive meltdown to do worse than mccain '08. At this point all we have left are the debates, and let's be honest- no one pays attention to those unless a huge gaffe happens and the mainstream outlets (like GMA) pick up on it and run clips into the ground.

of the two candidates, obama is far likely to make said gaffe. best case for romney is a hold on the states he already has, or a stemming of the bleeding.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Manmademan said:
I could see obama losing IA or CO in a close election, but not both, and definitely not both if he's at 306 electoral votes elsewhere.
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Bah I knew I forgot something, I always forget those two states. Wow, if could turn IN or NC with what he's got currently then Romney won't even break 195. That's just too much for my brain to handle, but I would love to see that. I suppose this is a real possibility if things keep up. That's just crazy considering how the 2010 midterms went.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Cloudy said:
I don't see how Obama wins OH and loses WI
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I think that map is assuming Ryan makes a good dent, I don't see that happening. The press has started shitting on him, with good reason. He'll probably keep his seat, but I doubt he'll make a difference in WI.
 
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Captain Tuttle

Member
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
"Between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, it's Alabama"-My Dad lol

Voting wise he's right, but the middle of PA is gorgeous and lots of good places and people too. That said eve in Newtown in Bucks County there is some motherfucker in a big ass monster pick up truck who drives around with a big ass confederate flag mounted to the truck bed.

Oh I was a place today where the entire parking lot had Romney bumper stickers...can anyone guess where?
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The gun range
 
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RDreamer

Member
Cloudy said:
I don't see how Obama wins OH and loses WI
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I can see it. If it's a close election, then probably the thing that puts OH over the edge to Obama is its ties to the auto industry bailout. Wisconsin doesn't have that tie as much. It's also just a weird state as of late.
 
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Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The Mike Rowe letter is very interesting, if a bit confusing. I'm not really sure what he hopes to accomplish with Romney's attention, and he does seem a bit myopic with giving his vote away so easily.

Yet, Rowe has a major point that isn't discussed enough. It jives with my own experience growing up in the 1980s. My perception is that the 80s was the turning point. That is when people started devaluing tradeskill jobs but more critically, devaluing the people themselves who did those jobs.

Suddenly there was a new kind of greed floating around. It wasn't enough to earn a living and support yourself with 'honest work'. You had to 'go big' and 'advance' to prove that you were a real success. It was no longer about earning a living, or having a trade, but having a career. (In fact, the term career replaced job pretty fast in mainstream, middle class dialog.) When I was growing up, the pop culture stereotype seemed to be that every mother said her baby boy was going to grow up to be a lawyer or a doctor and get rich. He was going to "make something of himself". The effect of this attitude really hit home in the late 90s when I saw plenty of college kids (many of them soon to be swamped in debt) who seemed to come from a middle class background that absolutely positively scorned any human being that wasn't going for a master's degree in business and finance, or at least engineering and technology. And many of them though the engineering and design students were naive and didn't realize where the real path to wall street bucks and bling was.

The attitude of these people, this generation, sure seemed to be that everyone involved with actually creating and maintaining the infrastructure of their society were glorified maids and dummies with insufficient IQ to qualify for a career in 'mainstream' society. That was the most warped thing of all - the people who did the tradework, plowed the fields, grew the food, and made the shitters work were not considered 'mainstream' by the kids coming out of these households. I recall an early 2000's message board post by some college dude referring to a plumber as someone he'd never see on the Internet because "they wouldn't even know how to turn on a computer".
 
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Manmademan

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Kaijima said:
The Mike Rowe letter is very interesting, if a bit confusing. I'm not really sure what he hopes to accomplish with Romney's attention, and he does seem a bit myopic with giving his vote away so easily.

Yet, Rowe has a major point that isn't discussed enough. It jives with my own experience growing up in the 1980s. My perception is that the 80s was the turning point. That is when people started devaluing tradeskill jobs but more critically, devaluing the people themselves who did those jobs.

Suddenly there was a new kind of greed floating around. It wasn't enough to earn a living and support yourself with 'honest work'. You had to 'go big' and 'advance' to prove that you were a real success. It was no longer about earning a living, or having a trade, but having a career. (In fact, the term career replaced job pretty fast in mainstream, middle class dialog.) When I was growing up, the pop culture stereotype seemed to be that every mother said her baby boy was going to grow up to be a lawyer or a doctor and get rich. He was going to "make something of himself". The effect of this attitude really hit home in the late 90s when I saw plenty of college kids (many of them soon to be swamped in debt) who seemed to come from a middle class background that absolutely positively scorned any human being that wasn't going for a master's degree in business and finance, or at least engineering and technology. And many of them though the engineering and design students were naive and didn't realize where the real path to wall street bucks and bling was.

The attitude of these people, this generation, sure seemed to be that everyone involved with actually creating and maintaining the infrastructure of their society were glorified maids and dummies with insufficient IQ to qualify for a career in 'mainstream' society. That was the most warped thing of all - the people who did the tradework, plowed the fields, grew the food, and made the shitters work were not considered 'mainstream' by the kids coming out of these households. I recall an early 2000's message board post by some college dude referring to a plumber as someone he'd never see on the Internet because "they wouldn't even know how to turn on a computer".
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completely true. no argument here. The problem here is that kids with any kind of intellectual promise are steered towards 4 year colleges and universities despite not actually having any concrete career track. the trades are left over to the problem kids and those who struggle in school.

Thus we've ended up with quality kids going to universities without any real direction, ending up with 4 year degrees in english or history, and working at starbucks or in retail. meanwhile the problem kids end up going into the trades, and the skilled trades are having a problem finding reliable workers.

We really need a reorientation here somewhere. My suggestion was to simply have 4 year state institutions start training skilled labor- so CNC operators graduate with bachelors degrees and graduate with skill AND some kind of prestige but I was shot down here pretty fast.
 
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jamesinclair

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Just imagine....



With China’s growth slowing — a product of internal economic changes as well as the continued poor performance of the U.S. and Europe — the country’s government has decided to accelerate investments in its cities’ rapid transit networks as part of a larger transportation infrastructure program. About $127 billion (or 800 billion yuan) is to be directed over the next three to eight years to build 25 subways and elevated rail lines as a stimulus whose major benefit will be a increase in mobility for the rapidly urbanizing nation.
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http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/...les-down-on-investments-in-new-metro-systems/
 
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ToxicAdam

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Atenhaus said:
$18 billion could give Seattle the transit system of its dreams...
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Didn't it cost 2 billion just to build a light rail system? Imagine the costs of a true submerged system that had to navigate all those waterways and eco-nimby nuts and still service the entire city. It might even get completed in your lifetime.
 
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ToxicAdam

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Ok, I will change topics ...


Drier soils are more likely to trigger storms than nearby wetter soils, a surprising new study finds.

These findings suggest global weather and climate models — which assume that dry soils mean dry weather — might currently be simulating an excessive number of droughts, the scientists behind the study said.
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http://news.discovery.com/earth/wet-surprise-dry-soils-spur-rain-120913.html


Let's keep proposing legislation based on models that are worthless. Speaking of global warming, anyone else notice how prominent the topic was during the last DNC or in the Obama platform? Quite a change in the past 4 years .... (#wewon)

:grabs imaginary chicken and runs into the closet:

Time for bed
 
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Aaron Strife

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Wisconsin Senate: Baldwin out-campaigning Thompson

Wisconsin's two U.S. Senate candidates have, since the August primary, displayed dramatically differing levels of campaign activity, with one crisscrossing the state and the other appearing very selectively.

Democratic U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin, 50, the underdog, has held more than two dozen appearances since the party chose her to replace outgoing Democratic U.S. Sen. Herb Kohl.

Former Republican Gov. Tommy Thompson, 70, meanwhile, has held fewer than a half dozen official public campaign events in Wisconsin in that time, a number arrived at by combing through Internet postings, and asking both campaigns.

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Thompson, who held a huge fundraiser in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday, had just $352,000 cash on hand as of the last campaign finance report filed July 25. Baldwin finished the same period with $3.1 million cash on hand. The next report is due to the Federal Election Commission on Oct. 15.
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Baldwin's definitely the underdog here and she seems to realize it. Her campaign has been pretty sharp, and Thompson's campaign attacking Baldwin's sexuality indicates some panic. I'm hoping this becomes a tortoise-and-the-hare sort of thing.

E: (cuz double posting is dumb) Holy shit guys.

SPRINGFIELD — With 50 days left until Massachusetts voters decide who will represent them in the U.S. Senate for the next six years, Harvard law professor Elizabeth Warren has pulled ahead of Republican U.S. Sen. Scott Brown, according to a new poll.

The survey of Bay State voters conducted Sept. 6-13 by the Western New England Polling Institute through a partnership with The Republican and MassLive.com, shows Warren leading over Brown, 50 to 44 percent, among likely voters.

The gap among registered voters is even larger, according to the survey, which concluded Warren leads 53 to 41 percent. The poll of 545 registered voters has a 4.2 percent margin of error, while the sample of 444 likely voters has a 4.6 percent margin of error.
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Seems like her movement came from solidifying Democrats. Someone tell Mayor Menino to get Boston out to vote. 6 points!
 
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Diablos

Member
I wish people stopped giving a fuck about other people living their lives on the Internet. What he did was lame, it's not cool to do that if you are married. But it shouldn't have cost him his job. Welcome to the modern age.

NetanYAHOO is a nutjob. He has no place trying to pressure Obama into doing things based on his trollish statements. This isn't your fucking election, know your place and shut the fuck up.
 
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PhoenixDark

Banned
Aaron Strife said:
Wisconsin Senate: Baldwin out-campaigning Thompson


Baldwin's definitely the underdog here and she seems to realize it. Her campaign has been pretty sharp, and Thompson's campaign attacking Baldwin's sexuality indicates some panic. I'm hoping this becomes a tortoise-and-the-hare sort of thing.

E: (cuz double posting is dumb) Holy shit guys.


Seems like her movement came from solidifying Democrats. Someone tell Mayor Menino to get Boston out to vote. 6 points!
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Baldwin is a lesbian and down ten points; it's over. Of course she's campaigning harder than a 70 year old man everyone in Wisconsin knows. He'll cruise to victory

I'd need to know more about the pollster of that Warren poll before commenting.
 
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scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
Friedman's latest highlights the significance of US-China relations for the next administration, and few decades further i suppose :p. China's internal divisions and strong economic ties will likely make it so that we'll never see a truly bi-polar split of global competing interests as with the USSR. Regardless, will be fun to hear Romney feel his way through an answer in the FP debate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/friedman-the-talk-of-china.html?_r=1

Also Friendman can't stop Friedmaning himself. Xi wasn't hiding under the bed. Autocratic regimes hide their preferred leaders during tempests - perceived or not - regularly. Dork.

And upon posting this and returning to the OT I just notice this thread - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=491607

lol
 
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Black Republican

Member
talk about a heavy burden
Fear of President Barack Obama — not enthusiasm for Mitt Romney — is driving religious conservatives to pull the lever for the GOP nominee this November.

Romney — a former Massachusetts governor who came late to the anti-abortion rights cause — was never a favorite of evangelical voters during the Republican primaries, and their love for him hasn’t grown much now that he has officially become their party’s standard bearer, as judged by interviews with two dozen conservatives at the Values Voter Summit in Washington this weekend.

But religious conservatives will support Romney because Obama — who endorsed same-sex marriage earlier this year — is anathema to them. And as much as they are lukewarm about Romney, conservatives are thrilled by the GOP nominee’s choice of Paul Ryan as his running mate.

“It’s not excitement, it is fear — fear of the other guy,” said Dolores Taylor, 69, of West Harrison, N.Y., explaining why she will vote for Romney over Obama in November. “Excited doesn’t seem to be the right word — I’d say energized, because I’m so angry about what’s going on.”

Jackie Lewis, a woman from Ashburn, Va., echoed those sentiments, calling the motivating factor behind her decision to back Romney “total fear”of the incumbent.

“We can’t take four more years of this,” she said.

Fear of a second Obama administration was a centerpiece at this two-day confab of social conservatives a little less than two months before the election. Romney did not attend the conference — and perhaps demonstrating their mixed feelings about the GOP standard bearer, the speakers didn’t mention him until halfway through the first day — but Ryan, a fiercely anti-abortion rights Wisconsin lawmaker who is Catholic, did.

Conservatives attending the conference said they worried about a range of things during a possible Obama II, from implementation of the president’s health care law, and a move to what they saw as more “socialist” policies to the end of the very values — including the protection of life and traditional marriage — that they came to the summit to support.

House Majority Whip Eric Cantor, for example, framed the campaign as a battle for the very core of the country, saying another term for Obama would continue the nation’s decline.

“This election is going to determine whether or not the very moral fabric of our country will be upheld, or whether it will be torn apart,” he said.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81260.html?hp=t1

3 pages long but its a good read
 
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ToxicAdam

Member
HenryGale said:
Warren 2016?

I thought she was great at the DNC
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Why not wait until she has actually won an election first in what should have been a cakewalk for her?

I thought her DNC speech was dry and unmotivating. She already carries the anchor of being a northeastern liberal (in terms of national appeal), her complete lack of je nais se quoi is just throwing another 30 tons aboard.


eBay Huckster said:
...What fevered dream is this where I find Kosmo's last post less freerepublic-esque than TA's last post?
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God forbid someone post a scientific study that just reiterates the fact that climate science still has very little grasp about water vapor and the role it plays in future climate modeling. Not that it's a big deal .. it's only the key component in greenhouse warming.

http://www.aps.org/units/dfd/pressroom/papers/pressel.cfm
 
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Brinbe

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RDreamer

Member
Aaron Strife said:
Wisconsin Senate: Baldwin out-campaigning Thompson


Baldwin's definitely the underdog here and she seems to realize it. Her campaign has been pretty sharp, and Thompson's campaign attacking Baldwin's sexuality indicates some panic. I'm hoping this becomes a tortoise-and-the-hare sort of thing.
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The gap between Baldwin and Thompson's campaign is kind of astounding. I don't think I've seen a single Thompson ad since the primary. The anti-Baldwin ads seem to have mostly ended after the primary, too. I've seen a ton of Baldwin stuff, and as I said yesterday I've seen the Democratic booths and stuff at quite a few festivals around here and nothing for Thompson, really.
 
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markatisu

Member
Black Republican said:
talk about a heavy burden

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81260.html?hp=t1

3 pages long but its a good read
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Eric Cantor said:
“This election is going to determine whether or not the very moral fabric of our country will be upheld, or whether it will be torn apart,” he said.
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And yet at the same time the Republicans like to demonize the Middle East for Theocracy and letting Religion control politics...fucking incredible the hypocrisy
 
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