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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Checking in:

1. New Obama on SNL is pretty good. Fred's was missing something that this one has figured out. It's also worth noting that SNL finally figured out that Romney isn't just a success-crazed billionaire (last season), but he's a gaffe-prone Ward Cleaver clone that happens to be a billionaire. And Paul Ryan, "i'm terrible at math, let's talk about the budget!" was hilarious.

2. Still thinking the crisis in the Middle East right now is every bit as dangerous to Obama as the EuroZone crisis.

3. Kosmo's mikeroweWORKS letter is actually pretty good. I definitely identify with that. I think the white collar/blue collar differentiation has done its fair share of damage, along with popular depictions of each in the media.

4. Did you know you could re-size the editor/post window? There's a little arrow pointing to the lower right of your screen (at the clock in you're on a PC). You can drag it around and make the window bigger! Useless for my purposes, but still: fucking neat. Reply to this and look >>
 
Checking in:


4. Did you know you could re-size the editor/post window? There's a little arrow pointing to the lower right of your screen (at the clock in you're on a PC). You can drag it around and make the window bigger! Useless for my purposes, but still: fucking neat. Reply to this and look >>

Mother of God. o_O
 

RDreamer

Member
talk about a heavy burden



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81260.html?hp=t1

3 pages long but its a good read

Slate has an article similar to that about the Value Voters Summit

Bryan Fischer is surrounded by shiny, happy people. Rep. Paul Ryan has just finished speaking to the annual Values Voter Summit, the final pre-election conference of social conservatives. He smiled through two ineffective hecklings—Ryan is quite good at turning those into applause breaks—and got the audience cheering for Mitt Romney, for the “moral clarity” of his foreign policy, for the threatened “religious liberty” of churches.
Everybody else swooned, then filed out of the room to grab lunch. Fischer, whose American Family Association co-sponsors this event, wasn’t swooning.

“He didn’t say one single word about marriage,” says Fischer. “This is the safest environment in the United States of America to talk about marriage. I’ve got to believe that that came from on top. Marriage won 61-39 in North Carolina—in 2012! That’s in a state that President Obama won in 2008. Marriage is a winner. It’s just a mystery to me that they won’t touch this thing.”

...

Conservatives have started to process that. “There’s a growing segment of the American population that is dependent on government funds and largesse,” says Dean Welty, an activist from Virginia. “Many of them give the Obama administration credit for that. We have the largest number of people on welfare we’ve ever had. We have the largest number of people on unemployment. It’s not good for the country, but it’s good for Obama.”

Most of the Values voters I talk to end up delivering a version of this theory. Ryan’s speech targeted Obama for “more people in poverty, and less upward mobility wherever you look.” If you’ve paid enough attention to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you see this as intentional. The books on sale on the way into the main ballroom include Spreading the Wealth: How Obama Is Robbing the Suburbs To Pay for the Cities.

...


Standing near one of the conference’s banks of water coolers, I notice William Temple. This is not hard to do. Temple, the “Tea Party patriot,” dresses in various Colonial costumes and yells, “Huzzah!” when he hears something he likes. He’s the first person that bemused members of the foreign press try to interview, because the image is just too good. He trekked up to D.C. from Georgia and managed to get all kinds of clattering metal props through security. He’s worried, too.

”We picked probably the weakest candidate we could,” says Temple. “Someone like a Herman Cain or a Michele Bachmann would have ’em fired up.”
 

Chumly

Member
Ok, I will change topics ...




http://news.discovery.com/earth/wet-surprise-dry-soils-spur-rain-120913.html


Let's keep proposing legislation based on models that are worthless. Speaking of global warming, anyone else notice how prominent the topic was during the last DNC or in the Obama platform? Quite a change in the past 4 years .... (#wewon)

:grabs imaginary chicken and runs into the closet:

Time for bed

Did you even read the article? Models are worthless? This is Kosmo style posting.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
It'd be a wise move on the part of the House GOP to play down angry rhetoric following the election should Obama win. They continue to play on Obama's otherness and some dreaded anti-American outcome should he win another 4 years that could push a fair number of nutters over the edge. I thought that died down following 2008, but the dog whistling seems louder this time around.

The party has lost so much of its institutional core over the last decade such that it exists only as an outlet to vent 'white' frustration, judeo-christian ideology and win elections. Insofar as actual governing is concerned they are quick to state what is anathema to them (socialism! communists! taxes! boo!), but otherwise hold onto a slate of outmoded policies that fail the sniff test. They don't care about consensus, they just want to dictate. That's their democracy. Oh, and massive voter disenfranchisement in the name of 'saving' this democracy.
 
Checking in:

1. New Obama on SNL is pretty good. Fred's was missing something that this one has figured out. It's also worth noting that SNL finally figured out that Romney isn't just a success-crazed billionaire (last season), but he's a gaffe-prone Ward Cleaver clone that happens to be a billionaire. And Paul Ryan, "i'm terrible at math, let's talk about the budget!" was hilarious.

2. Still thinking the crisis in the Middle East right now is every bit as dangerous to Obama as the EuroZone crisis.

3. Kosmo's mikeroweWORKS letter is actually pretty good. I definitely identify with that. I think the white collar/blue collar differentiation has done its fair share of damage, along with popular depictions of each in the media.

4. Did you know you could re-size the editor/post window? There's a little arrow pointing to the lower right of your screen (at the clock in you're on a PC). You can drag it around and make the window bigger! Useless for my purposes, but still: fucking neat. Reply to this and look >>

SNL skit was okay. They still haven't been able to capture Obama though (while keeping it funny).
 
2. Still thinking the crisis in the Middle East right now is every bit as dangerous to Obama as the EuroZone crisis.
The riots and protests have largely subsided. But it's a hot wire. What we have to worry about now are organized attacks by militants against US and US interests abroad as well as inside. Stuff like this can set off sleeper cells, due to a funding spike from wealthy salafist donors in cases like these.

I'm worried about underwear bombers.
 
It'd be a wise move on the part of the House GOP to play down angry rhetoric following the election should Obama win. They continue to play on Obama's otherness and some dreaded anti-American outcome should he win another 4 years that could push a fair number of nutters over the edge. I thought that died down following 2008, but the dog whistling seems louder this time around.

They'll just push for more governmental gridlock. It won't end, let's be real.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
It'd be a wise move on the part of the House GOP to play down angry rhetoric following the election should Obama win. They continue to play on Obama's otherness and some dreaded anti-American outcome should he win another 4 years that could push a fair number of nutters over the edge. I thought that died down following 2008, but the dog whistling seems louder this time around.

The party has lost so much of its institutional core over the last decade such that it exists only as an outlet to vent 'white' frustration, judeo-christian ideology and win elections. Insofar as actual governing is concerned they are quick to state what is anathema to them (socialism! communists! taxes! boo!), but otherwise hold onto a slate of outmoded policies that fail the sniff test. They don't care about consensus, they just want to dictate. That's their democracy. Oh, and massive voter disenfranchisement in the name of 'saving' this democracy.

Perhaps the craziest/scariest thing about the fear manipulation the GOP is performing, relates to how they've convinced a sizeable demographic of people that everyone who is not them are not Americans. Of course what is really going on there, is the "moral majority" mind trick - scared people are being convinced that they represent the majority of the population when that's far from the truth.

And while these people stomp around seething in fury about those un-americans who should all be driven into the sea, they are far too deluded to realize that they're talking about probably the majority of the country.

But then, at least some of those folks are starting to realize the painful truth, which is why we are seeing the first signs of damage control. The narrative is taking hold in some places that the majority of the country has been tricked by socialist sleeper agents, America is lost, it's the end times, etc. As social dynamics go, it's a macrocosm of something I've seen happen before within a family: a crazy batshit family member of an extended family goes off the deep in with religion or politics. They willingly ostracize themselves from everyone else in the clan one at a time, with the notion that each of those persons they push away are the black sheep and can't be trusted. And by the end the crazy members have pushed everyone away and are in fact the outlier themselves. All while believing they represent the core of the family.
 

gkryhewy

Member
18 billion/yr might be a nice down payment on two or three subways in America.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/co...-buy-much-transit-infrastructure-anymore/456/

You can get a lot for 18B, actually. For example, in our region (Philadelphia), the most expensive rail transit proposal (new Roosevelt Blvd Rapid Transit Line) is probably about 4B in capital costs. Lots of good projects are in the 500M range. A bigger issue is the operating subsidy required to run frequent enough service for the lines to be worthwhile.

I dunno. I think there is some popular sentiment among some that buying a house is not even worth it and may actually be more costly versus renting over a 10-20 year period. I see some people on forums say it a lot recently. Even after the crash.

We're grappling with this right now. Currently we rent a 1BR in a fantastic part of town, and we're considering buying a 2BR home in another nice (but not quite as nice) neighborhood. By renting something smaller, our rent is relatively low, and there is something superficially satisfying about the flexibility of keeping our assets liquid rather than putting them into a home. Another option is to pay down our student loans faster rather put that money in a home. Again, renting and staying flexible feels valuable right now, allowing us to keep more options open.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
That's a great point about student loans. It's such a burden for many people and forces them into certain situations.

I was being hyperbolic on the value of 127billion in transportation. Just lamenting/cursing the fact that it's so damned expensive to build anything in this country.

Did you even read the article? Models are worthless? This is Kosmo style posting.

Climate modeling is worthless. My link was just another bulletpoint in a long series of studies that have upended conventional wisdom over the years.

Your reply is thekad style of effort.
 
Obama opens lead on Medicare over Romney
In the 2010 Congressional races, successful Republicans believed that they had finally found a way to do that, by linking the program’s future to Mr. Obama’s unpopular health insurance overhaul and accusing Democrats of cutting Medicare to pay for it. This summer Mr. Romney resumed the offensive, eventually joined by his running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan.

Initially, polls suggested that the Republican strategy was working. Democrats fretted that Mr. Romney would win the retiree-heavy Florida and increase his support nationwide among older voters, who lean Republican anyway. David Winston, a Republican pollster, wrote a month ago of “a structural shift in the issue” that left the parties in “a dead heat” and Mr. Obama unable to mount an effective response.

But in recent weeks Mr. Obama and his campaign have hit back hard, and enlisted former President Bill Clinton as well, to make the case that the Romney-Ryan approach to Medicare would leave older Americans vulnerable to rising health care costs. Now their counterattack seems to be paying off.

The latest New York Times/CBS News poll, conducted over the last week, found that Mr. Obama held an advantage over Mr. Romney on the question of who would do a better job of handling Medicare. That is consistent with other recent polls and is a shift from just last month, before the parties’ national conventions, when the two men were statistically tied on the issue.

At the heart of the conflict is the proposal backed by Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan to change the way Medicare works in an effort to drive down health care costs and keep the program solvent as the population ages. Under their plan, retirees would get a fixed annual payment from the government that they could use to buy traditional Medicare coverage or a private health insurance policy. Supporters say the change would hold expenses down by introducing more competition into the system.

It is a paradox of recent politics that despite Democrats’ usual advantage on Medicare, voters 65 and older are the age group least supportive of Mr. Obama and his party. His challenge is to depress Mr. Romney’s support among older voters by raising doubts about Republicans on Medicare.

“It’s pretty clear that Medicare is the one issue that could dislodge the Republicans’ headlock on those voters,” said Andrew Kohut, the president of the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.

“The Republicans brought it back to life,” Mr. Kohut added — first by House Republicans’ approval this year and last of the Ryan budgets, which died in the Democratic-controlled Senate, and most of all by Mr. Romney’s elevation of Mr. Ryan to the presidential ticket.
 

gkryhewy

Member
I was being hyperbolic on the value of 127billion in transportation. Just lamenting/cursing the fact that it's so damned expensive to build anything in this country.

Depends on the context. I think the Washington DC example cited in the article you linked is more typical of the US context than NYC/Chicago/Boston examples:

This helps explain why Washington, D.C., where the Metro opened in 1976, laid more than three new miles of track and built two new stations, a 2,200-car parking structure and a rail car storage facility as part of a subway extension into Prince George's County, Maryland, all for $456 million.
 

He smiled through two ineffective hecklings—Ryan is quite good at turning those into applause breaks—and got the audience cheering for Mitt Romney, for the “moral clarity” of his foreign policy, for the threatened “religious liberty” of churches.
If you want to heckle these these groups then what you should do is shave, wear a suit, print up a bunch of literature that is just a teeny bit beyond the crap they already spew, and then spread it around and talk to reporters. But never let in on the joke. Push the narrative further into crazy land.

Example: print up a bunch of literature about how Red Lobster should be boycotted with the appropriate Bible verses. Say that it is just like homosexuality and that it is destroying our nation. Be completely serious.

Invoke Poe's law and get it to work in your favor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law
 
These can be fun.
Also who is jill stein!? lol.
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I actually do think that there is a place for things like this.

It would be great if voting centers had something like this for people before they voted. They could fill out a series of check boxes on what they do and don't agree with and it would match them up with a candidates policies. If only we cared about policy.
 

thatbox

Banned
Wisconsin Senate: Baldwin out-campaigning Thompson


Baldwin's definitely the underdog here and she seems to realize it. Her campaign has been pretty sharp, and Thompson's campaign attacking Baldwin's sexuality indicates some panic. I'm hoping this becomes a tortoise-and-the-hare sort of thing.

I wanted to read more about this. These are both decent:

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loc...cle_8d446cbc-fd33-11e1-8e50-001a4bcf887a.html

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loc...cle_dcb96e84-f6ce-11e1-9d6a-0019bb2963f4.html
 

Loudninja

Member
McCain: U.S. ‘Weakened’ By ‘Disengagement’ Under Obama
"Prior to 9/11, we had a policy of containment. Then after 9/11, it was confrontation.... Now it's disengagement," said McCain, who argued that disengagement as "weakened" the United States' standing in the world.

"It was Osama bin Laden that said, 'When people see the strong horse and the weak horse, people like the strong horse.' Right now the United States is the weak horse," McCain said.

McCain cited the country's withdrawal from Iraq and ultimately Afghanistan as part of the "disengagement" strategy he opposes.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccain-us-weakened-by-disengagement-under-obama

I so glad he did not make it to the White House.
 

markatisu

Member
McCain: U.S. ‘Weakened’ By ‘Disengagement’ Under Obama

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccain-us-weakened-by-disengagement-under-obama

I so glad he did not make it to the White House.

LOL I like how he quotes Bin Laden and shits on Obama's view of foreign policy but it was the direction of Obama that led to the killing of Bin Laden. The irony and hypocrisy are immeasurable lol

Does the GOP even listen to the shit they say? Its like when Romney talked about what the Fed was doing and basically put himself in the camp that the economy just needs to take a shit because regardless of what we do its the wrong course of action
 
Someone is quoting OSAMA FUCKING BIN LADEN to make a point to criticize Obama on foreign policy.

What the fuck kind of assbackwards bizarro world am I living in?
 
we already knew this but

Romney Camp Decides: The Economy Isn't Enough

OLDSMAR, Fla. — Mitt Romney’s campaign for president appears to have quietly abandoned its guiding assumption, that the election would center on the struggling economy, and has visibly begun to feel for a new message.

Romney and — particularly — his running mate Rep. Paul Ryan, have spent a week road-testing alternatives, going positive and going negative, swinging at the president on everything from faith to foreign policy. The new efforts mark a shift from a summer of fruitless discipline and a convention in which attempts to present a friendly, moderate tone trumped any policy substance. And campaign planners said their moves mark a new campaign consensus.

“No one in Boston thinks this can only be about the economy anymore,” one top aide said last week. “The economy narrows the gap and puts us in contention, but we have to bring more to the table.”

The core factor in the search for a new message, aides say privately, was the August jobs report. The anemic job growth was widely viewed as bad news for Obama even as the unemployment rate dropped due to people leaving the workforce. But the national shrug confirmed Romney campaign concerns that the most visible economic indicator would remain muddled through Election Day.

Ryan himself has emerged as a central player in this calculation, making the case internally for a clearer conservative policy message. One high level Republican with ties to the campaign told BuzzFeed that Ryan was chaffing at Boston constraining him from talking about and defending his policy ideas from Democratic attacks. Ryan wanted to be "unleashed," the Republican said.

And Ryan’s latest campaign swing offers the clearest indication that he’s gotten his wish. On Friday at the Values Voters Summit in Washington, D.C., Ryan offered a new gambit on offense, attacking Obama on social issues and income inequality in one fell swoop.“’We’re all in this together’ – it has a nice ring,” Ryan said, quoting a frequent Obama line. “For everyone who loves this country, it is not only true but obvious,” he said. “Yet how hollow it sounds coming from a politician who has never once lifted a hand to defend the most helpless and innocent of all human beings, the child waiting to be born.”On Saturday at a rally at R.E. Olds Park Amphitheatre here, Ryan laid into the Federal Reserve for “undermining the credibility of our money” and “debasing our currency,” with the latest round of stimulative monetary policy.

And in a phone call with conservative media on Thursday, Ryan outlined his thinking that the election will be about ideas, The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin wrote.

The call revealed some of the Romney-Ryan ticket’s thinking. First, it plainly understands the need to go around and over the heads of the mainstream media and to buck up the base. Second, it doesn't buy the liberal spin that it’s running a referendum election; Ryan has always argued for and talked about two visions and giving the voters a clear choice.

Ryan’s message points have come so far in hints, not whitepapers. The form of his “specific bold solutions” remains very much in doubt. Indeed, Romney aides say they plan no new major policy roll-outs before the debates. But they said they but intend to focus more on contrasts between Democratic plans and their existing policy positions.

Republicans assiduously avoided any sort of policy detail in their convention, keeping their focus directly on introducing Mitt Romney the man to America, and implicitly on the president’s economic failures. But already a press to talk specifics is apparent.

Romney devoted the weekend after the last jobs report to talking about religion in the public sphere, Ryan has brought abortion into the campaign. They have taken Obama to task for allegedly cutting more than $700 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare. (The claim is complicated by Ryan's own support for the cuts in his budget, but that hasn't slowed a barrage of Republican attacks.) The ongoing protests in the Muslim world, and the murder of four U.S. diplomats, has led both Republicans to sharply criticize Obama’s foreign policy agenda.

And while Romney’s initial reaction may have been premature, aides insist that the lingering anti-American protests provide an opening for the GOP ticket to attack Obama and argue for a leading role for America in the world.

“It’s not enough just to criticize,” Ryan told a crowd of over 3,000 in rural Virginia on Friday. We owe you solutions, we owe you ideas — and that’s exactly what we’re doing.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-camp-decides-the-economy-isnt-enough
 
God dammit, Romney's campaign is horrible; it's clear they didn't have a plan b. The Obama campaign has been obvious for months: distract from the economy, fire up the base, define Romney. They have succeeded with all three. Romney can win on the economy given Obama's horrible record, the problem is that he can't win without details

Why not adopt Santorum's manufacturing plan, or start introducing specifics for a job bill. For instance, a permanent tax cut on business equipment. There are plenty of sensible ideas for economic policy, especially ones that people can easily understand.
 

dabig2

Member
So the people that have made an industry about whining about the deficit and complaining about taxes want to start more wars?

Clinton said it best . . . ARITHMETIC.

Someone needs to make a Eisenhower hologram and have him speak his "military industrial complex" speech.
 

RDreamer

Member
we already knew this but

Romney Camp Decides: The Economy Isn't Enough

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-camp-decides-the-economy-isnt-enough

So... throw shit at the wall and see what works?

Mitt's done. Any admission that they literally don't have a plan going forward means the Obama campaign has thoroughly thrashed them. Obama's campaign has been disciplined and planned out from the very beginning. They've talked about what they want to talk about and they seem to know where they're going with the discussion. And, when something unexpected comes up they hit the turn like it's no problem, whereas the Romney campaign seems to almost throw its bus off a cliff. If they're admitting now they have no plan then Obama will hit them hard. I'm sure the Obama campaign has a clear messaging plan.
 
Why not adopt Santorum's manufacturing plan, or start introducing specifics for a job bill. For instance, a permanent tax cut on business equipment. There are plenty of sensible ideas for economic policy, especially ones that people can easily understand.
They have to be waiting for the last minute/debates for this. Catch Democrats off guard and leave little time for people to discredit their plans effectively. If they don't actually have a surprise then lol.
 
On the economy, it was wise for Team Obama to paint Republicans as obstructionists early and often. That message has stuck with people and provides an easy counterpoint to arguments against Obama's economic policies.

Keeping the blame on Bush has been potent as well.
 

Chumly

Member
Climate modeling is worthless. My link was just another bulletpoint in a long series of studies that have upended conventional wisdom over the years.

Your reply is thekad style of effort.

The researchers emphasize "it's important to recognize that we are comparing storm statistics between nearby places with the same climate," Taylor told OurAmazingPlanet.

"our results focus on processes at a smaller spatial scale," Taylor said. "Large-scale atmospheric conditions — for example, a high-pressure system sitting over a continent and suppressing rain — are an important control on whether it will rain or not. What our results suggest is that when the atmospheric situation is marginal — will it rain or won't it? — the wetness of the soil can become important."
If you bothered to look at your own link this is strictly talking about rain at a small scale in close areas of the same climate.

LINK


Science says: Models successfully reproduce global temperature since 1900.

Climate models are mathematical representations of the interactions between the atmosphere, oceans, land surface, ice, and the sun. This is clearly a very complex task, so models are built to estimate trends rather than events. For example, a climate model can tell you it will be cold in winter, but it can't tell you what the temperature will be on a specific day—that's weather forecasting. Climate is weather averaged out over time, usually 30 years. Trends are important because they smooth out single events that may be extreme, but quite rare.

Climate models have to be tested to find out if they work. We can't wait for 30 years to see if a model is any good or not; models are tested against the past, against what we know happened. If a model can correctly predict trends from a starting point somewhere in the past, we could expect it to predict with reasonable certainty what might happen in the future.

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So all models are first tested in a process called "hindcasting." The models used to predict future global warming can accurately map past climate changes. If they get the past right, there is no reason to think their predictions would be wrong. Testing models against the existing instrumental record suggested CO2 must cause global warming, because the models could not simulate what had already happened unless the extra CO2 was added to the model. All other known forcings are adequate in explaining temperature variations prior to the rise in temperature over the last thirty years, while none of them are capable of explaining the rise in the past thirty years. CO2 does explain that rise, and explains it completely without any need for additional, as yet unknown forcings.

Where models have been running for sufficient time, they have also been proved to make accurate predictions. For example, the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo allowed modelers to test the accuracy of models by feeding in the data about the eruption. The models successfully predicted the climatic response after the eruption. Models also correctly predicted other effects subsequently confirmed by observation, including greater warming in the Arctic and over land, greater warming at night, and stratospheric cooling
.

The climate models, far from being alarmist, may be conservative in the predictions they produce. For example, here's a graph of sea level rise:

SLR_models_obs.gif

Sea level change; tide gauge data are indicated in red and satellite data in blue. The grey band shows the projections of the IPCC Third Assessment report (Copenhagen Diagnosis 2009).
Here, the models have understated the problem. In reality the events are all within the upper range of the model's predictions. There are other examples of models being too conservative, rather than alarmist as some portray them. All models have limits (uncertainties) for they are modeling chaotic systems. However, all models improve over time, and with increasing sources of real-world information such as satellites, the output of climate models can be constantly refined to increase their power and usefulness.

Climate models have already predicted many of the phenomena for which we now have empirical evidence. Climate models form a reliable guide to potential climate change.

Climate modeling has proved successful time and time again. Does that mean that nothing will ever change with the models? No. To act like that article disproves global warming or disproves the models is laughable.
 
God dammit, Romney's campaign is horrible; it's clear they didn't have a plan b. The Obama campaign has been obvious for months: distract from the economy, fire up the base, define Romney. They have succeeded with all three. Romney can win on the economy given Obama's horrible record, the problem is that he can't win without details

Why not adopt Santorum's manufacturing plan, or start introducing specifics for a job bill. For instance, a permanent tax cut on business equipment. There are plenty of sensible ideas for economic policy, especially ones that people can easily understand.

Even in spite of your trolling, I find it hard to believe that you don't sincerely believe this.

SMH
 
Really, the fact that the models are tested and changed when shown to be inaccurate will only make them more reliable. I would be more worried about their reliability if the research field had stagnated and the models were never challenged and updated. Changing things up based on empirical evidence that disproves earlier versions of your models is how science has propagated for centuries. This is what separates science from religion.

Fucking science, how does it work?
 

Chumly

Member
Really, the fact that the models are tested and changed when shown to be inaccurate will only make them more reliable. I would be more worried about their reliability if the research field had stagnated and the models were never challenged and updated. Changing things up based on empirical evidence that disproves earlier versions of your models is how science has propagated for centuries. This is what separates science from religion.

Fucking science, how does it work?

Exactly.
"As computing power increases, weather and climate modeling centers are increasing the spatial detail in their models. We think this is a crucial step, particularly when the models can start to pick out individual storm clouds," he added. "We are still a few years away from that level of accuracy in a global model, however."
As the article even said with increasing computing power models will be able to get even more accurate over time and account for even smaller areas.
 
Baldwin's running a fairly spirited campaign and that could ultimately push her over the edge. My damage control in 2010 about the polls lowballing Feingold's support did bore out in the results, but not by a wide enough margin to make a difference (he trailed by 9, he lost by 5). Hopefully the OFA machine and invigorated minority turnout could turn it around for her.

I say "hopefully" because I fully expect Thompson to win, but man, Baldwin would be a great senator. And we need some new polls here, the last one was in mid-August. Not just for senate but presidential too.
 
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