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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Snake

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Romney's hostage crisis fantasy opportunism seems really damning but I don't see the media running with it too much. Romney gaffe fatigue.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Another poll with Obama at 50%. The jobs report was completely irrelevant compared to the DNC boost. I really want to see a poll on Romney's 47% comments now
 
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Tamanon

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Snake said:
Romney's hostage crisis fantasy opportunism seems really damning but I don't see the media running with it too much. Romney gaffe fatigue.
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Yeah, it does seem pretty damn cynical.

"Rest assured, if the US faces a crisis, I will take full political advantage!"
 
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cartoon_soldier

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quadriplegicjon said:
Why would he have terrible polls all of a sudden? Seems odd. Which polls are they?
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Only Gallup is terrible as it is back to just O+1 as far as I can see.

Other than that, we have Ras polls showing good info for Romney. Gravis marketing showing good info for Romney (and shows Mack +1 in FL). But both have good R leans.
 
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Loudninja

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From the Letterman interview.
“Our first job is obviously to make sure that we’re reinforcing security at these embassies, that we’re fully investigating what happened and bringing these murderers to justice; that’s our number one priority. But the broader issue here, is there’s a lot of change that’s taking place in the Middle East and we as Americans always stand on the side of democracy, we want people to have opportunity to determine their own fates, their own destinies, but the message we have to send, I think, to the Muslim world is, we expect you to work with us to keep our people safe. And as offensive as this video was, and obviously, we denounced it, and the United States government had nothing to do with it, that’s never an excuse for violence. And in this part of the region, as they emerge, into a new form of govt, part of what they’re going to have to do is to recognize that democracy is not just casting a ballot, it’s respecting freedom of speech and tolerating people with different points of view, and it means that you’ve got to make sure that you never have any excuses for the kind of violence against innocents we saw last week, and that’s a message that I’ve sent very clearly to the leaders of various countries, and we expect their full cooperation, because that’s the only way the international order works.”
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.c...emerging-arab-spring-democracies-must-respect
 
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Wray

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Oh man, so I think conservatives are already starting to go in meltdown mode today. My one conservative friend just randomly posted on my FB wall a little while ago, that one Colorado Poll from last month that predicted Romney was going to win in a landslide. Then just started going off about random shit and the liberal media.

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Hobbestetrician

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Wray said:
Oh man, so I think conservatives are already starting to go in meltdown mode today. My one conservative friend just randomly posted on my FB wall a little while ago, that one Colorado Poll from last month that predicted Romney was going to win in a landslide. Then just started going off about random shit and the liberal media.
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"They are polling more people who will vote for Obama! Of course the polls are wrong if they do it that way!"
 
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Mario

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Wray said:
Oh man, so I think conservatives are already starting to go in meltdown mode today. My one conservative friend just randomly posted on my FB wall a little while ago, that one Colorado Poll from last month that predicted Romney was going to win in a landslide. Then just started going off about random shit and the liberal media.
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I love how he posts 3 or 4 times to each single post of yours.
 
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pigeon

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Wray said:
Oh man, so I think conservatives are already starting to go in meltdown mode today. My one conservative friend just randomly posted on my FB wall a little while ago, that one Colorado Poll from last month that predicted Romney was going to win in a landslide. Then just started going off about random shit and the liberal media.
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Bet him.
 
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jbug617

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What happens if these polls are correct and they are trending towards Romney. For the past 2 weeks there has been nothing but bad news for Romney but Obama lost basically his bounce from the DNC very quickly.
 
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worldrunover

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Great point from Taibbi about the whole Romney tape:

Taibbi added that Romney, who comes from a privileged background, disregarded another "tax" that many poor people have to pay: "a kind of qualitative tax which nobody talks about -- this sucky hard work tax."

"If you're low-income enough to not be paying income tax, you're doing a shitty job that nobody else wants to do in this country," Taibbi said. "You're cleaning toilets. You're driving buses at the night shift. You're bussing tables. You're doing all these things that Mitt Romney is never going to do."
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pigeon

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jbug617 said:
What happens if these polls are correct and they are trending towards Romney. For the past 2 weeks there has been nothing but bad news for Romney but Obama lost basically his bounce from the DNC very quickly.
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Then we're all fucked, but I don't think the polls have been trending towards Romney at all -- Obama up by five points nationally is hardly a bad trend, nor 8 in Virginia. Gallup has come back to earth but Ipsos still has him up five as well.

And here's the RAND longitudinal poll showing churn rate (people changing from one side to the other):

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We'll see what we see, I guess, but frankly I'd be shocked if things started turning around for Romney when even much of the conservative media has already written him off. (Although expect a pop for him after the first debate -- challengers usually get a boost.)
 
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Clevinger

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pigeon said:
We'll see what we see, I guess, but frankly I'd be shocked if things started turning around for Romney when even much of the conservative media has already written him off. (Although expect a pop for him after the first debate -- challengers usually get a boost.)
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Plus there's gotta be the inevitable push by the media for a "Romney Comeback!" narrative. Prolly after one of the debates.
 
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jbug617

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pigeon said:
Then we're all fucked, but I don't think the polls have been trending towards Romney at all -- Obama up by five points nationally is hardly a bad trend, nor 8 in Virginia. Gallup has come back to earth but Ipsos still has him up five as well.

And here's the RAND longitudinal poll showing churn rate (people changing from one side to the other):


We'll see what we see, I guess, but frankly I'd be shocked if things started turning around for Romney when even much of the conservative media has already written him off. (Although expect a pop for him after the first debate -- challengers usually get a boost.)
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All things could change also if the jobs report for September is bad also. Basically Gloria Borger said on CNN that the first week in October will probably decides Romney election with the debate and the jobs report coming out.
 
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RustyNails

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Clevinger said:
Plus there's gotta be the inevitable push by the media for a "Romney Comeback!" narrative. Prolly after one of the debates.
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Historically the first debate usually goes to the challenger. Just debating with a sitting President elevates your status. Romney needs to pull a Palin (just repeat rehearsed lines on every topic) and he should be fine. But knowing Romney, he'll start flailing in first 15 minutes and combust.

Unlike Santorum, Newt or Cain, Obama is no chump.
 
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Plinko

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LOL at Drudge and Fox News instantly putting up the redistribution comments when they dragged their feet a ton on the Romney comments.

Classic fair and balanced.
 
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markatisu

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I am confused how is the Distribution comments supposed to hurt Obama? The only people that would be upset with them are the people who already believe Obama is a socialist monster aka the GOP

Can Romney, FOX, and the GOP appeal to anyone but their base?
 
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Averon

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The right tried the redistribution line of attack with Obama 4 years ago, and it didn't work. It won't work now. The only thing it does is make themselves feel good that they supposedly confirmed what they thought Obama was all along: an evil American destroying Marxist/Communist/Socialist.
 
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SouthernDragon

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Aaron Strife said:
"I don't get it, what'd I say?" - Mitt Romney

Good news on Dems' House chances - PPP went into FL-26 and found Joe Garcia leading by 7 (46-39), and in CA-36, Rep. Mary Bono Mack is only leading her Dem challenger by 3 (47-44). Combined with the good generic ballot polling, I'm feeling a bit more optimistic about Dems taking the House, but I still think they'll fall short.
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I campaigned for Joe in 2008. I can't believe he's in the lead. His loss then was heartbreaking.
 
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kehs

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Someone I know, who has conservative parents and typically vote (R), doesn't want to bring up the election and whose voting why cause it'd be weird talking with them about politics.

smh
 
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