PhoenixDark
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Ah the "saved jobs" fairy again...
Obama got stuff done, he didn't get the right stuff done. Hence why this race is relatively close nationally and why he'd be losing big against a decent challenger.
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Ah the "saved jobs" fairy again...
Obama got stuff done, he didn't get the right stuff done. Hence why this race is relatively close nationally and why he'd be losing big against a decent challenger.
PhoenixDark
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I gotta say I'm disappointed by Coulter's comments. Usually she manages to strike a nerve at the least. This comment is just a lazy attempt at divide/conquer. Does she expect that to be a winning message for Romney/conservatives? "Hey blacks, Obama cares more about Hispanics than you guys. Vote Romney or stay home." Good luck with that.
When 9 in 10 economists surveyed say he saved 4.0 million jobs, I don't call it a fairy.
Food for thought: Stock Market Crashed in 1929, by the time FDR replaced the republican Wilson in the 1932 election and years later...we were in a full blown depression that Republicans in the Presidency were unable to prevent. (Coolidge was also Republican 1923-1929)
This time? A Democrat got sworn in 5 months after the stock market crash and the resulting economic shrinking which rivaled Great Depression levels and he made the bleeding stop in a year. We've been adding jobs and growing ever since, by all accounts, a great depression was averted due to government intervention, and Obama's policies.
If you think this is a coincidence, you basically deny all economic study on the matter and the effect of Keynesian economics as a whole.
Side Note: After Reconstruction, Black People in the south started getting elected into government positions during the latter part of the 19th century, including to the United States Congress. As a Purely Reactionary measure, the south instituted Jim Crown Laws and segregation and a reactionary movement was created. Not because the Black people in Congress sucked at their jobs, but because people in the south were racist bigots. This is the same thing that's happening in the 2012 election and has little or nothing to do with Obama's performance. Obama hasn't accomplished everything he set out in his nomination speech, but that was before the Economic Collapse, the Collapse of the Stock Market and Lehman Brothers.
That's effectively like blaming a construction company for promising one set of prices for a room addition, a month later you burn the entire house down, then blame the construction company for changing their costs and time estimates to reflect the new condition of your house.
The Librarian
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OrangeGrayBlue
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You have this completely backwards. In the face of 8% unemployment, it is Romney who should be scratching his head as to why the race is close nationally (with Romney behind, no less).
Holy shit, this can't be real. Theres no way he'd think thats ok to say.
God, I cannot wait for Maddow tomorrow.
el retorno
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Wait... What? Is anybody watching it?
StickSoldier
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Lol, he said it.
He just said it... but he's talking about why Capital Gains taxes should be lower than Income Taxes.
That... that doesn't make it ok.
Capital Gains should not be taxed differently then income, it should be taxed the same. Romney is a great argument as to why that should be.
It's a belief without basis though. If capital gains is 33% or even 50%, it doesn't change the fact that stocks can double your money fastest. People aren't going to switch to gold or bonds because then they have worse return and the same tax rate.
Having capital gains so low allows people like Romney to continue to be so damn wealthy without being smart with money. I think it's why his campaign sucks so much ass. He has never had to genuinely work for something. He thought he could buy himself the Presidency. Problem is Obama has innate talent and is a fairly good politician.
That's a good thing. If we're blessed with another Romney-centered topic to talk about (thus distracting from the economy), then that'll probably get us all the way to Debate #1. Every week, he gives us a gift or two.. such a generous man.
And it's a fundamental problem with Romney that won't go away. That guy just has a warped view on reality, and he has a product that people don't want. I'm amazed that Obama is only on track for a small electoral landslide with the stuff Romney keeps doing. Obama should be 10 points ahead with Romney's historical gaffes.
Half and half
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He's cornered on this issue now. There is no satisfactory answer he can give. Hiding behind "economic growth" is probably the best card for him to play at this point because he has no intention on fixing the tax rates.
I look forward to the additional bruising he'll be getting over that answer.
AlteredBeast
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True. Cyan posted a graph a long while ago that showed the rate of investment against the capital gains rate and it basically had no correlation. In other words, if we raised Capital gains to match income, we would not only collect a crapload of more tax revenue, but also make things more fair.
Has this been posted? Romney being a dick to a teacher:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/23/romney-disrespects-teacher/
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/23/romney-disrespects-teacher/
The real Romney (A giant out of touch ass)
EmCeeGramr
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You laugh, but I honestly just saw a post there to that effect.
Freep is in full on "Real Silent Majority America Wants Romney" mode so they can mentally set themselves up for "Obama stole the election!" come November.
Plus if we encourage money flow to people who can actually keep it flowing, then we get economic growth.
Hobbestetrician
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When do you get your first field assignment to register those at the local cemeteries?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Rahm Emmnauel has that covered.
It helps when you don't operate in reality.
tick tock tick tock
Romney just said something along the lines of "a great leader is someone who you know where they stand" which would be perfect for a flip-flop ad.
Context:
(PELLEY) Now you made, on your investments, personally, about $20 million last year. And you paid 14% in federal taxes. That's the capital gains rate. Is that fair to the guy who makes $50,000 and paid a higher rate than you did?
(ROMNEY) It is a low rate. And one of the reasons why the capital gains tax rate is lower is because capital has already been taxed once at the corporate level, as high as 35%.
( PELLEY) So you think it is fair.
(ROMNEY) Yeah, I-- I think it's the right way to encourage economic growth-- to get people to invest, to start businesses, to put people to work.
(ROMNEY) It is a low rate. And one of the reasons why the capital gains tax rate is lower is because capital has already been taxed once at the corporate level, as high as 35%.
( PELLEY) So you think it is fair.
(ROMNEY) Yeah, I-- I think it's the right way to encourage economic growth-- to get people to invest, to start businesses, to put people to work.
speculawyer
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I've been saying that since he clinch the nomination . . . good luck for the GOP winning the election with a guy that makes $20 million paying 13.9% tax rate while many ordinary people pay a much higher tax rate. Many people didn't realize that is the way that it works now and with Mitt Romney as the candidate this little-known information will get wider distribution and may back-fire on the GOP.
Rhetorical sleight of hand.
i have high, unrealistic hopes that Bibi is burning all kinds of bridges in the US and Obama formally tells him to go fuck himself after the election. Israel isn't as big a deal in US electoral politics as it used to be, and supporting a war mongering nation isn't going to continue to be popular. Hitch your wagon to the GOP... hopefully Obama grows a set of balls.
I would like a thread on what Ann coulter said about blacks and immigrants please.
I don't do threads.
She said that civil rights are for blacks and not immigrants.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/coulter-civil-rights-blacks-immigrants-201633682--election.html
I don't do threads.
She said that civil rights are for blacks and not immigrants.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/coulter-civil-rights-blacks-immigrants-201633682--election.html
Aaron Strife
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Obama would be losing if the GOP put up a decent challenger!
(keeping in mind that Romney was supposed to be the credible, middle-of-the-road candidate with appeal to centrists)
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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speculawyer
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OH YOU FUCKING LYING PIECE OF SHIT, MITT!
That is ONLY true for dividends from C-Corps. That is not true for your stock gains (which is what most of your income probably is).
Is it an out-right lie. That is only true for some capital gains. It is as true as saying "White people are Nazis."
That's a nice way to say 'bullshit'.
That's like saying that I don't need to pay full taxes on gambling wins because the teams\players paid taxes.
Romney worked so hard sitting on his ass while his millions earned on average 9% per year. Surely that doesn't deserved to be taxed. That dude that works 60 hours a week to make 50k for his family is a freeloader and should be taxed more, or something.
"Already taxed". Yeah, bullshit. Is a small business owner exempted from taxes because the income from last year was already taxed and that money was used to buy capital equipment that led to increased income this year? No, then why should it be any different from stocks.
"Already taxed". Yeah, bullshit. Is a small business owner exempted from taxes because the income from last year was already taxed and that money was used to buy capital equipment that led to increased income this year? No, then why should it be any different from stocks.
Vestal
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I am convinced he is intentionall tanking this election.. No one can be this inept.
Of course it's bullshit, but more specifically, it's bullshit meant to misdirect.
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