Hah. True.
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Hah. True.
matthewwhatever
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You need to mention that people want principled conservatives, and that Wisconsin voters will appreciate that a man they know so well is speaking frankly and honestly with them. Also...um...crap, this is tough.
PhoenixDark
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But he's actually good at debating. He won't embarrass himself...
the problem is that the 47% comment will be brought up again as will his ridiculous health care comments, etc. He'll have to come out the gate explaining himself instead of throwing punches
speculawyer
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I wanna see that too. Then maybe he'll stop his second rate trolling.
NFL follows corporate America's game plan in referees dispute
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Interesting article
http://lat.ms/Sk78UM
Interesting article
speculawyer
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He is going to have a set of talking points memorized for virtually every issue. However, he could get hit with some obscure question with no talking point where he goes into awkward Rombot mode. Or after the talking point is fully spewed, he may try to go free-form and then back into awkward land.
I bet you he will.
Black Mamba
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i don't think arguing yourself counts
That sums up Romney pretty well.
ryutaro's mama
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If I were Obama, I would simply ask Romney, "How can you say that you are for getting America working when all your investments are overseas?"
The one where he explains Ryan being upset by the Packer's officiating is better/even more awkward.
Obama might mention that but not it that context. Seems too much like class warfare. Here is what I envision. Romney spouts his usual talking points about how Obama doesn't believe in America and Obama hits back with, "At least I keep my money in this country" or something to that effect.
I bet you ten thousand dollars he won't.
ryutaro's mama
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It's not class warfare.
It's shining a light on the FACT that Romney invests in cheap labor overseas rather that in America.
He wants to be CEO of the US rather than President.
I honestly feel like this is on his to do list rather than a true passion to be President.
Aaron Strife
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I think Romney is going to bomb spectacularly at the debates.
He'll regurgitate some dumb talking point, Obama will make a counterpoint of how much of a pile of shit he is and Romney will have to go off the rails to answer it.
I get the feeling Romney's been practicing debate against a strawman.
He'll regurgitate some dumb talking point, Obama will make a counterpoint of how much of a pile of shit he is and Romney will have to go off the rails to answer it.
I get the feeling Romney's been practicing debate against a strawman.
ryutaro's mama
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WTF would be considered a Romney "win" anyway?
Fox has him as the winner of all 3 debates already and msnbc has Obama as the victor.
Will this come down to a "gotcha" moment or something?
Fox has him as the winner of all 3 debates already and msnbc has Obama as the victor.
Will this come down to a "gotcha" moment or something?
Any screw ups or gaffes will be obvious and definitely impact who the media thinks is the winner or loser. Other than that it will come down to polling. Unless either candidate literally trips and falls or starts speaking in tongues both sides will claim "victory" and "momentum" out of the debates, but the polls will tell whose message resonated more.
Basileus777
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Nate Silver seems to be a little salty that this unskewedpolls guy is surpassing him as the next celebrity pollster.
That is just it, Romney is ready for fake GOP Obama who does not exist. The minute he puts forth a charge or claim and Obama is like you know that's a lie Romney will come unglued
He can practice all he wants, his recent gaffes and responses to those show how unprepared he is. If I were Obama I would study the debates involving perry and older ones with Kennedy. If he can just make Romney mad or aggressive then Romney will hang himself
Kai Dracon
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Obama could tar and feather Mitt, hogtie him, dump him in a wheelbarrow, and wheel him all the way to the parking lot to dump him--
-- and Fox would report that in a stunning display of tactics, timing, and insightful strategy, Romney had Obama just where he wanted him the entire debate.
cartoon_soldier
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I think people are underestimating Romney's debate skills.
He is very good at things he is prepared for. You can see that in interviews, stump speeches, Univision forum. When he gets tripped up he tends to flounder and get into bad situations, you see that too in his stump speeches, primary debates, etc.
He is putting in a lot of prep, that will help him. He is going to be prepared with answers for 47%, mandate, HCR, etc.
I don't know whether Romney will score some decisive victory over Obama in the debates. I don't think Obama will cause some sort of blow out after the Oct 3 debate.
There is also the matter of whether debates actually matter that much or not this year.
He is very good at things he is prepared for. You can see that in interviews, stump speeches, Univision forum. When he gets tripped up he tends to flounder and get into bad situations, you see that too in his stump speeches, primary debates, etc.
He is putting in a lot of prep, that will help him. He is going to be prepared with answers for 47%, mandate, HCR, etc.
I don't know whether Romney will score some decisive victory over Obama in the debates. I don't think Obama will cause some sort of blow out after the Oct 3 debate.
There is also the matter of whether debates actually matter that much or not this year.
it's ioi, isn't it.
speculawyer
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ryutaro's mama
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Obama's biggest issue in debates (that I see) is he thinks about what he wants to say a lot and the "uhhhs" and pauses start to plague him.
I know he's thinking of several things to say before responding but it makes him seem ill prepared and like he's fumbling, hence the "he can't speak without a teleprompter" snarks.
I know he's thinking of several things to say before responding but it makes him seem ill prepared and like he's fumbling, hence the "he can't speak without a teleprompter" snarks.
Obama is probably the best debater of his entire generation. You can not-underestimate Romney and still have conviction he will lose. Romney sounding scripted and prepared is not gonna move voters his direction. He needs to dominate.
he needs to do what bill clinton does and replace those pauses with words like 'now this is important' and 'listen to this because it's serious'
Unskewedpolls is the right's version of 538/Nate Silver. It was only a matter of time, to be honest.
Aaron Strife
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I can't wait for the foreign policy attack.
Romney - "This is a president who's been going on an apology tour"
Obama - "I killed Osama bin Laden you dumb fucker"
Romney - "realjfwekaw"
And it's not like Obama hasn't been debate prepping either. He's debating John Kerry, who's about the closest Democratic equivalent to Romney you can get, and he actually DID get a bounce from his debates.
speculawyer
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ryutaro's mama
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What? No. Romney will lose. His path to victory never involved the debates. The last night of the debates is on foreign policy. Romney has no experience in foreign policy that isn't related to his overseas gaffes, he can prepare all he wants. Personally this is the round I've most anticipated, because it's so tilted in Obama's favor, unlike, unemployment reports, Euro debt-crisis, Middle-East unrest, or other variables, this is money in the bank, a layup, a 2011 touchdown call.
WTf? Goodnight folks.
Sadly, this is true.
Rob Portman
The thing is, the debate doesn't occur in a vacuum. Maybe Romney's a fantastic debater in an academic sense, but he's got to debate the shit hand he's been dealt (or has dealt himself). It's not "Resolved: Freedom is more important than Security". It's "saved Detroit, killed bin Laden, and ended the Iraq War vs lower taxes for the rich, the Ryan budget, and 47%".
And Romney actually doesn't have a great track record when it comes to defending himself from straightforward attacks in debates. Remember how many times he fumbled the tax returns issue in debate after debate in the primary? He had good moments against Newt Gingrich, perhaps the softest target to ever grace a podium.
And Romney actually doesn't have a great track record when it comes to defending himself from straightforward attacks in debates. Remember how many times he fumbled the tax returns issue in debate after debate in the primary? He had good moments against Newt Gingrich, perhaps the softest target to ever grace a podium.
ryutaro's mama
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Wat
Dominican Power
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Is there a link of Obama's speech?
was satan unavailable?
CSPAN.org is your friend.
Do you think he's going to help the competition compete against his son?
Black Mamba
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minus, you know, sound statistical analysis.
Silver is left wing but his model's are a real attempt at being unbiased. If they weren't, they wouldn't be as accurate as they are.
liberals are pussies. They are finding reasons to be scared.
There is a story out there that one of the reasons the GOP is bailing on Mitts is not just because of the gaffs but because his team has been practicing and mock debating in preparation and that in those mock debates he's losing to the opponent.
I'll try to find the link but I'm drinking so if someone finds it first, great.
I'll try to find the link but I'm drinking so if someone finds it first, great.
I just don't have any idea where this came from.
All of a some Romney is some great debater that does not mess up lol.
PantherLotus
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