Black Republican
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has team obama said anything about the florida voter fraud scandal?
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they need to get some voter id laws in place so something like this doesn't happen again
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhIKY4i48AVmrdJe5x
man this is freaking awesome.
could be NSFW
man this is freaking awesome.
could be NSFW
I don't know, sounds like the same far left idiocy to me. Crying about a dude using drones and having to work with banks like he was supposed to come in and topple the entire current situation in a day.
Fact is, if Obama didn't work with the banks we'd be even worse off than we are now because they'd have locked up all the money, not just a large percentage of it. The only reason we had any liquidity was because Obama wrote loans from the gov't. dole to keep the rich willing to lend. Most of that has now been paid back and it was the raft that things like Dodd Frank and the Consumer Protection Agency floated into existence on without a full on war from Wall St..
Then on the subject of drones, I mean FUCK how removed from reality do you have to be? He's got to do something, even if it's just for appearances, we should all acknowledge that. But what he's actually done is massively reduce civilian death by U.S. armed forces while at the same time instilling fear and panic in the minds of all terrorists who oppose the U.S.. How is that not a massive improvement? He's the POTUS, not the Dali Lama. He doesn't get to be a pacifist. I'd take drone strikes that occasionally kill an innocent over tens of thousands of U.S. troops invading countries and killing hundreds of thousands of innocents.
Cold, rational pragmatism is the number one skill you need to be POTUS if you ask me, and Obama has that in spades, more than any recent president in fact.
TacticalFox88
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Drek's post above highlights one of my main problems with a lot of Liberals. At times, their too idealistic for their own good and fail to see the reality of the situation and real world.
She would also say PD is a rolling calamity.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/allen-west-attacks-dem-opponent-for-2003-bar
This is probably the most effective ad I've seen in a while. Any response by the opponent will seem like whining even if he has a point lol
This is probably the most effective ad I've seen in a while. Any response by the opponent will seem like whining even if he has a point lol
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So America is producing the most oil it ever has since............Bill Clinton was in office? Not saying that there's any correlation, but the irony is funny. I thought it was the republican party that was all drill baby drill.
And I wonder if this makes some far left liberals mad when they read that oil production news.
Jesus Christ dude. That's like Kosmo level shit right there, but with better syntax.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I like how you say, "thew them some bones" as if Obama didn't actually believe the things that he was doing/saying. And I like the word "distracted". As if DEMs are too dumb to think that the economy isn't great, but it's better with Obama in office than if the GOP were in charge.
People collectively aren't as dumb as you make them out to be.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Because Sharpton is so good that nobody could ever take his spot.
Seriously though Hayes runs an excellent show, but maybe it's to relaxed for weeknight TV on MSNBC.
Sharpton is awful and I don't think Bashir is very good either. I guess the UP format works better in the morning so how about getting rid of Andrea Mitchell or Chris Jansing? (I would pick Andrea cos Chris is such a MILF lol). Sharpton needs to go so maybe one of them can take his spot.
There is no way these guys are getting better ratings than Hayes could be getting.
PS: I miss Contessa Brewer. She was hot even with her mannish jaw <3
PhoenixDark
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I'm not sure this is true. Republicans won control of multiple state levels of government two years ago, and they held the presidency for eight years shortly before that. Elections tend to be decided on business cycles and the political talent of candidates; ideas certainly matter, but a good politician can sell many contradictory things to the public. Romney is literally the worst candidate in nearly half a century. McCain was the wrong candidate for the wrong time due to the financial crisis (perhaps we'd say the same of Obama if a war broke out in September 08 instead of a financial crisis).
The point being that the GOP has not fielded a decent politician in eight years; plus the business cycle was on a downturn during their tenure, and people still blame them for it four years later. A better candidate would certainly outperform Romney, in fact it wouldn't be hard. This will be put to the test soon, given the crop of non super crazy GOP governors gearing up for 2016 or 2020
People still generally favor conservative economic ideas - tax cuts, small government, etc. Obama has managed to move the country left on taxes because of how extremist the current GOP is, but ultimately economic issues are still fought on Reagan's idealogical grounds in this country. And as you said people still support drilling. The GOP's problems are more fixable than people think.
I won't call the current GOP's death until the religious right truly gets their Goldwater moment. They need a presidential candidate so bad that he clearly demonstrates that social conservative ideas are toxic nationally; basically Santorum. Romney is the worst GOP candidate in decades but he is no social conservative; his loss will just convince the grass roots to move further right. They need a Santorum type to lose in 2016 for things to change IMO.
mckmas8808
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Actually I read that Al Sharpton gets pretty good ratings when compared to other MSNBC shows.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I was being sarcastic. Sharpton's show is an absolute trainwreck.
Is Tamron Hall still on MSNBC? She's by far the hottest news caster I've seen on any of the cable networks. I find Erin Burnett very attractive as well.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm genuinely surprised that Joe Scarborough continues to kill Romney's campaign on a daily basis so openly. He even rips the unskewers too!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#49175844
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#49175844
I actually like that Sharpton is where he is even though he himself isn't that great.. That allows for a diverse line up of topics when you go from Sharpton, Hardball, Shultz, Maddow, and the Last Word. They each tend to hit topics that the others don't and you cut out Sharpton there is a whole host of topics that will simply be straight up ignored. If you replace him you need to replace him with someone that will hit similar topics. Hayes is to similar to Maddow and I also think his show works because he has two full hours. Condense that to one hour and it might not be as good. There are two hours of Hardball and I question the need for that.
Romney is a bad candidate but the reason he is soooooo bad is because of what he has to do to keep the GOP content
He went full on stupid in the primaries and has since doubled down on that in the general
The sad fact is given the field he was the best choice, you guys realize if Santorum or Gingrinch had won the nom we would be looking at a Reagan-esque map of Blue. The GOP would have completely lost the middle and even some of the right.
Like PD just said (I can't believe I typed that) they are going to go all in and once they have their Santorum type defeat things will begin to change. The rise of the religious right has been a constant for almost 30-40 years, its fall will be epic.
Delusibeta
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Dunno if this has been posted, but the Daily Mail has caught wind of the latest proclamation of the birther movement. They're aghast, surprisingly enough:
Full article, if you're curious: [daily mail dot co dot uk] /news/article-2210012/Film-claiming-Obamas-mother-posed-pornographic-pictures-sent-million-swing-voters.html Do note that the video and pictures in question are linked, so might be considered borderline NSFW.
When the Daily Mail is crying bullshit, you know you've screwed up.
Full article, if you're curious: [daily mail dot co dot uk] /news/article-2210012/Film-claiming-Obamas-mother-posed-pornographic-pictures-sent-million-swing-voters.html Do note that the video and pictures in question are linked, so might be considered borderline NSFW.
When the Daily Mail is crying bullshit, you know you've screwed up.
This type of crap is so over the top it's so easy for it to backfire. Why even do this in the first place. Then again these are birthers and such. Logic isn't really there to begin with.
Joe Shlabotnik
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It's just open season on Romney now. Also, I think Scarborough is similar to Bill O'Reilly in that he has his own particular right-leaning clownishness that doesn't necessarily coincide with official messaging.
Dr. Pangloss
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But we are invading countries. US use of drones is worrisome because it sets a precedence. What are we going to do if China or Russia starts their own drone campaign in a foreign country? Nothing, because we have already shown that we think that is acceptable. Foreign terrorist being able to strike here in America is overblown. Drones are just the easy path that Obama took to make himself look strong on defense. The harder path would be to work with governments to get them to do the work. I know that doesn't always work, but how many times do you need to kill AQ's number 2 before realizing that drones only amplify the problem? There were two other Presidents that escalated military operations before coming to the conclusion that they could not stop an ideological enemy on foreign soil. And before that happen we lost 58,000 men and 300,000 wounded. That war was called Vietnam.
Dr. Pangloss
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Sorry, all carbonated drinks are known as coke. If you want a sprite, then you need to say you want a coke.
You got it wrong, all colas are cokes, all lemon/lime sodas are sprites. Everything else is either orange soda or for foreigners.
Academically I know that should bother me even more than calling them "pop," but somehow it doesn't.
I once spent 10 minutes in an Albertsons looking st the aisle signs trying to find the soda aisle, only finally realize I was in one of those dreaded backwater hick towns (Burien, WA) that called it pop.
No, we Jamaican foreigners love it.
well you won't get my vote with positions like that. no, sir, you won't get my vote...
No! Pop is a damned verb not a noun! It's soda!
I make fun of my wife every time she accidentally says pop
Rocket Scientist
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This is disgusting, but, the birther movement is now claiming that Obama is a citizen? LOL.
As a compromise, I attempted to use soda as I grew tired of the confused stares when I inquired which pop they served. But it was too disorienting. And I cringe when I request a Coke and they respond with "which kind?".
Many valid points which have generated my reluctance for years.
I understand your argument, and I agree in part. The concept of polarization is only now being evaluated. And we barely understand its causes and implications. For example, there are conflicting accounts of its causes depending on the level of analysis; we know elite polarization has intensified, but as it's manifested in the electorate, is that reflective or concrete? And the diminished convention bounce is probably an appreciable consequence of polarization. So I concur in part, although the previous data is still serviceable. But I see you don't necessarily disagree.
To address the pertinent point, I inferred your concurrence. It just seemed a bit odd how you framed the argument, for the data indeed evinces the nominal effect of debates. But we agree, so I'll not belabor the point.
If this were not yet another attempt to troll, I'm uncertain how I'd respond. It'd be nigh impossible to deconstruct this nonsense. Sweet Jesus.
Mgoblue201
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They do have the remnants of a plan (tort reform, price transparency, purchase of insurance across state lines), but these ideas are so bad, or unsubstantial in the face of the problem, that it's clear the Republicans have no idea why health care costs are so high. Reading the official party platform, you would think the problems are abortion, Medicaid, and lack of consumer choice. It's obvious why they don't have more ideas: if they proposed something that works, it would look a lot like the ACA. All they literally have left is to denounce big government and hope that the free market will solve all of the problems, which isn't much of a plan and more of an attempt to appeal to their base.
With that said, I don't think a Republican president has been interested in solving the health care problem since Nixon. In an alternate universe, maybe Romney could have run on passing health reform (in 2008) or improving it (in 2012). But that Romney might not have made it past the primaries.
I was just looking at the date on my computer and thinking; will there be an October surprise or will the 47% be what we remember as the "September Surprise?" Right now I think most people would believe that the 47% comment is what will define the Romney campaign, but if I have learned anything from watching this election cycle is that Mitt Romney is a Gaffe Machine, and even on a bigger level than Joe Biden.
TacticalFox88
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He's going to fuck up massively during the debates and he's going to get massacred.
The LAST debate is the Foreign Policy debate. Seriously. How in the hell does Romney even stand a snowballs chance in hell in recovering from that when the election would be two weeks from then?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- every party gets the candidate it deserves. Mitt Romney is the perfect representation of today's GOP -- contradictory, contemptuous, blinkered, and apparently oblivious to the fact that people just don't like him. He was widely considered the MOST ELECTABLE CANDIDATE. Just consider that.
This Is a starting point for them, but it can't be the finish -- because except for not "apologizing for America," it's the Democratic party platform.
speculawyer
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Yeah, the fracking of tight oil in North Dakota has grown like crazy. Texas is up big too.
But the right still works hard to spin this against Obama. They say "Well, this is only because it is on PRIVATE land and Obama can't stop that." That's premium grade whining:
1) They've handed out plenty of public land leases
2) If he really wanted to stop this drilling on private land he could by issuing lots of regulations that tie things up with red tape. The Obama administration did a panel on fracking and decided it was OK to go ahead with some regulations. Regulations that are really nothing much more than what the state of Texas has been requiring their drillers to follow for decades. Are they going to say the state of Texas is an over-regulated oil-hating state?
The main reason the boom has been on private land is BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE OIL IS!
So much for that "focusing on policy details" strategy!
*waits for Romney to get Obama to use a " the ocean called" joke*
He's got the perfect comeback!
Joe Shlabotnik
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"Do you mind if I call you 'Bunemployment'? Because I've got some zingers lined up but they need to rhyme with your name."
speculawyer
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I was born in New York and moved to Minnesota in elementary school.
I NEVER got used to 'pop'. It always sounded stupid.
I NEVER got used to 'pop'. It always sounded stupid.
the thing about a zinger is that for it to be effective you have to at least appear that it's off the cuff, or unplanned. yet i can easily see romney developing a shit eating grin/smirk right before he unloads his grade a bullshit just like some high school kid who gets smart with their teacher and it blowing up in his face.
If Romney just memorized a bunch of zingers and is going to shoehorn them into the debate, that could make him look incapable of answering questions on the fly.
His team is right though, zingers might stick if they get a really good one. Also, Obama appearing smug would help Romney so baiting him into making smug faces is a good plan.
That said, Romney gets flustered easily and when he's defensive he says ridiculous things so Obama just needs to tilt him.
His team is right though, zingers might stick if they get a really good one. Also, Obama appearing smug would help Romney so baiting him into making smug faces is a good plan.
That said, Romney gets flustered easily and when he's defensive he says ridiculous things so Obama just needs to tilt him.
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