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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Mike M

Nick N
Lol wtf? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

EDIT: Damn I got Onion'd. What's it say about the Romney campaign that I believe it though?

Something something about the current conservative movement being impossible to satirize because you can't make their positions any more outrageous something something.

There was a fake article the other day about Bachmann wanting to ban falafel and other "jihadi foods" that was barely discernible as parody.
 
Does anyone have any good political test for determining leanings and ideal candidate? I'm looking at a few right now. One of my coworkers just became an American citizen, and he's getting all sorts of terrible answers from everyone else and I don't want to give him too many answers because I'm not as informed as I'd like to be.
Aside from the two already linked, there's also VoteEasy.
 

watershed

Banned
Haven't they said this before? He was suppose to get more detailed during one speech that was on TV. Then again at the RNC. Then again on campaign stops in general. Strange how they expect people to believe he'll get more specific now. It's a cry wolf situation.

Its the same situation as his need to constantly introduce himself. "Hi, I'm Mitt Romney. You don't know me very well but I've been running for President for 4 years now and wait till you hear about my tax plan: TBA."
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Haven't they said this before? He was suppose to get more detailed during one speech that was on TV. Then again at the RNC. Then again on campaign stops in general. Strange how they expect people to believe he'll get more specific now. It's a cry wolf situation.

Yep, and "This is his chance to introduce himself"
 

Trurl

Banned
Lol wtf? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

EDIT: Damn I got Onion'd. What's it say about the Romney campaign that I believe it though?

Although there is some truth to it (otherwise the Onion would not have written it) the fact that you believed the last line suggest to me that you live in a liberal bubble.

to be honest, I too read the article with the assumption that it was a straight news piece. The first portion seemed admirable if perhaps a bit insulting to the people that live in these places, the 6PM line seemed strange but didn't alert me to the fact that I was reading satire, but the gated community line made me check for the Onion immediately
 

SmokeMaxX

Member
Something something about the current conservative movement being impossible to satirize because you can't make their positions any more outrageous something something.

There was a fake article the other day about Bachmann wanting to ban falafel and other "jihadi foods" that was barely discernible as parody.
That was fake? Ugh you can never tell with these people. She recently went to a "Conservative" Jewish synagogue and totally messed that up trying to pander to the wrong audience.
 

SmokeMaxX

Member
Although there is some truth to it (otherwise the Onion would not have written it) the fact that you believed the last line suggest to me that you live in a liberal bubble.

to be honest, I too read the article with the assumption that it was a straight news piece. The first portion seemed admirable if perhaps a bit insulting to the people that live in these places, the 6PM line seemed strange but didn't alert me to the fact that I was reading satire, but the gated community line made me check for the Onion immediately

Haha hardly. I live smack down in the middle of the Bible Belt in Arkansas. I know plenty of places in my city (one of the top crime cities in the nation) where I know the average person would be scared to go because of fear of getting attacked. That's what had me believing the article. I doubt Obama supporters would be truly safe there, but at least they would be less likely to be seen as a potential target (i.e. not driving around in a BMW convertible).
 

Averon

Member
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.c...orabilities-show-stark-difference-between-gop

Poll: Republican, Democratic Party Favorability Ratings Diverge
Favorability of the Democratic and Republican parties are diverging, according to a poll released Wednesday from ABC News and the Washington Post. The survey of 1,024 adults showed that 49 percent perceived the Democratic party as favorable, with 42 seeing it as unfavorable. Thirty-nine percent of those surveyed viewed the Republican party favorably, with 53 percent viewing it unfavorably.
 
I like to see this as a proxy for how they'll do on the generic ballot. Dems have a 10 point favorability advantage - if they had a 10 point lead in the Congressional race they'd win for sure. You could even cut that in half and they'd still be even money.

PhoenixDark said:
My parents invited me to watch the debate at the local Obama HQ here; it's a pretty nice place actually. I might be taking my show on the road fellas!

More than likely ill chicken out, stay home, and just eat snacks and watc online
No, tell them all about how you think Romney will carry Michigan and that you have a bet on some nerd forum and you gotta keep up your e-cred.
 

Mike M

Nick N
That was fake? Ugh you can never tell with these people. She recently went to a "Conservative" Jewish synagogue and totally messed that up trying to pander to the wrong audience.

Really the only tip off that the food thing was a fake was the quote about her railing against falafel being a gateway food to shwarma, etc. Otherwise it seemed perfectly in keeping with the sort of thing someone who calls for the investigation of a muslim born in Michigan and married to a jew for ties to terrorist organizations would say.
 

Guevara

Member
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I continue to think Romney will have a good debate, and feel you guys are overlooking some basic stuff here. This will be the first time voters get to see Obama and Romney together, and naturally this benefits challengers more than incumbents - assuming the challenger is competent and acceptable. Would anyone here argue Romney will not look and sound competent on stage tonight? He's a good debater and likely will not stumble over his own feet. That alone challenges the basic memes of this election, and I think voters will respond positively to it.

Whether he convinces people on policy grounds remains to be seen, but I think Romney will clearly pass the test of whether he's acceptable tonight.
 
I continue to think Romney will have a good debate, and feel you guys are overlooking some basic stuff here. This will be the first time voters get to see Obama and Romney together, and naturally this benefits challengers more than incumbents - assuming the challenger is competent and acceptable. Would anyone here argue Romney will not look and sound competent on stage tonight? He's a good debater and likely will not stumble over his own feet. That alone challenges the basic memes of this election, and I think voters will respond positively to it.

Whether he convinces people on policy grounds remains to be seen, but I think Romney will clearly pass the test of whether he's acceptable tonight.
>>good debater
>>lost to rick perry

yeah okay
 
I continue to think Romney will have a good debate, and feel you guys are overlooking some basic stuff here. This will be the first time voters get to see Obama and Romney together, and naturally this benefits challengers more than incumbents - assuming the challenger is competent and acceptable. Would anyone here argue Romney will not look and sound competent on stage tonight? He's a good debater and likely will not stumble over his own feet. That alone challenges the basic memes of this election, and I think voters will respond positively to it.

Whether he convinces people on policy grounds remains to be seen, but I think Romney will clearly pass the test of whether he's acceptable tonight.
And to add to this, Obummer won't have his teleprompter telling him what to say and we all know he can't even form the most basic sentences without one.

Romney is winning this debate hands down and he will then win the Presidency with ease.
 

pigeon

Banned
I continue to think Romney will have a good debate, and feel you guys are overlooking some basic stuff here. This will be the first time voters get to see Obama and Romney together, and naturally this benefits challengers more than incumbents - assuming the challenger is competent and acceptable. Would anyone here argue Romney will not look and sound competent on stage tonight? He's a good debater and likely will not stumble over his own feet. That alone challenges the basic memes of this election, and I think voters will respond positively to it.

Whether he convinces people on policy grounds remains to be seen, but I think Romney will clearly pass the test of whether he's acceptable tonight.

I know where you're coming from, but I would note that Romney used to be a sensible campaigner who tacked to the wind, too, and we can all see how that turned out. On the one hand, it's hard to screw up being the challenger in the first debate, but on the other hand, if anybody can screw it up, it's Mitt Romney.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
PPP's new Missouri Senate race poll:

And Libertarians wonder why they get lumped in with the fringe members of the GOP.

It's because no matter how much they agree with progressives on social policy and disagree with the GOP on foreign policy, and even though their social view tend to align more with democrats than their economic policies align with republicans, they seem to, for some reason, side with the GOP overwhelmingly.

I see them as most similar to the blue dog democrats in that they are ostracized from the right for their social views and disagree with democrats on some, but not all, domestic policies. They're green socially, republican in regulatory measures, democrat/green/socialist in taxation policy, and isolationist in foreign policy (which is more a view held by the left than the hawkish GOP of the last 35-40 years)
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Would anyone here argue Romney will not look and sound competent on stage tonight?
He almost always looks and sounds competent from certain perspectives. Like yours, for example.

But, for a full 90 minutes to the entire general audience? That is an as yet unattained goal for Mr. Romney.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
He almost always looks and sounds competent from certain perspectives. Like yours, for example.

But, for a full 90 minutes to the entire general audience? That is an as yet unattained goal for Mr. Romney.

I'm wondering if the unfiltered Romney exposure will, by itself, do more damage then anything else.
The more people who see Romney, the more they dislike him.
 
93% of Missouri voters think you can get pregnant from being raped. Not too often we see a 93% on anything, even something this common sense
PublicPolicyPolling


I want to know more about that 7%.

When we polled MO-Sen in late August Akin's favorability was 33/56. Now it's 33/55. He's not seeing any recovery with time
By a 50/42 margin Missouri voters would rather Republicans had control of the Senate than Democrats. Akin costs them ~14 pts
Despite overall unpopularity, Akin still has 65/23 favorability rating with MO GOPers. Most like him and not just voting for him grudgingly
 
I'm wondering if the unfiltered Romney exposure will, by itself, do more damage then anything else.
The more people who see Romney, the more they dislike him.

That's an interesting point, and true. But voters will have his opponent right there for comparison, and they'll have to choose. Even if they don't like him, they might determine they like him more than Obama
 
I continue to think Romney will have a good debate, and feel you guys are overlooking some basic stuff here. This will be the first time voters get to see Obama and Romney together, and naturally this benefits challengers more than incumbents - assuming the challenger is competent and acceptable. Would anyone here argue Romney will not look and sound competent on stage tonight? He's a good debater and likely will not stumble over his own feet. That alone challenges the basic memes of this election, and I think voters will respond positively to it.

Whether he convinces people on policy grounds remains to be seen, but I think Romney will clearly pass the test of whether he's acceptable tonight.

$10,000. Let's bet.
 

HylianTom

Banned
I'm wondering if the unfiltered Romney exposure will, by itself, do more damage then anything else.
The more people who see Romney, the more they dislike him.
He needs a Rose Garden strategy, like Ford tried.. but I'm guessing that Obama won't let him borrow the Rose Garden.

People are going to see and hear him tonight, and they'll think he's a slick, slimy, desperate man. I feel pretty confident on this one.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
That's an interesting point, and true. But voters will have his opponent right there for comparison, and they'll have to choose. Even if they don't like him, they might determine they like him more than Obama

Because Romney comes off well to the average person. He's a likable kind of guy, people are just drawn to him.
 
You guys are forgetting that Romney is the perfect politician. He has elegance and grace Obama can't hope to match, and he'll be able to smooth talk the American people into believing his bullshit. PD has been right about everything single thing that has played out in this election, and he'll be right about tonight.

Prepare for the Romney comeback.
 
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