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[Y2Kev]

Pa I assume is back in play too? New jersey?

MA probably too. romney made romneycare sound so good~

 

[Jackson50]

After this debate it will be the current Map with OH back to tossup, NC to lean Romney, VA tossup, FL tossup or Lean Romney.

You have to build on this incrementally. No one has dropped in the polls that precipitously from a debate. Not even Gore. And this doesn't approach Gore's abysmal performance.

 

[gcubed]

MA probably too. romney made romneycare sound so good~

Forgot MA, Obama probably has to start visiting California again to make sure that doesn't slip away. It'll probably get close to swing status as well.

 

[pigeon]

After this debate it will be the current Map with OH back to tossup, NC to lean Romney, VA tossup, FL tossup or Lean Romney.

If Ohio goes to even I will personally eat a shoe.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Romney lying again, pre-existing conditions are not covered under his plan.

Another good point:

@greenhousenyt: This is a debate about the economy & taxes, but Obama hasn't mentioned Bain Capital's layoffs or Romney's taxes.

 

[789shadow]

Oh yes, let's be honest. These debates don't really matter all that much.

 

[Frank the Great]

romney lying like crazy in this debate and not proposing anything at all.

but he still looks much better. obama on the defensive.

 

[HylianTom]

You have to build on this incrementally. No one has dropped in the polls that precipitously from a debate. Not even Gore. And this doesn't approach Gore's abysmal performance.

Yeah.. I don't really see the landscape being altered all that much. This has been more of a snoozefest than anything else.

 

[gcubed]

Romney lying again, pre-existing conditions are not covered under his plan.

Another good point:

Bain possibly but the taxes part is a stupid stupid idea

 

[Forever]

Romney really looks like a victim of nerves out there.

If Romney was looking for a knockout blow he's got 22 minutes left to deliver it.

 

[TacticalFox88]

‎(Gina) This moderator is looking like a replacement ref. #DenverDebates

Omg. hahaha

 

[SmokeMaxX]

If that's his secret plan, it's backfiring like mad.

Not really. Obama doesn't have to win or even tie, he just has to not say something stupid enough to lose a ton of votes.

 

[Red Blaster]

Romney really looks like a victim of nerves out there.

If Romney was looking for a knockout blow he's got 22 minutes left to deliver it.

I don't think so

Romney has the slimy douchebag part down perfectly and since he's been lying through his teeth it's been tough for Obama to rebut him

thankfully Romney is incredibly unlikeable and looked way better at the start than he does now

 

[afternoon delight]

Romney lying again, pre-existing conditions are not covered under his plan.

And Obama is given a slow pitch, which he's taking.

See you afterward!

 

[8byte]

Anywhere else this is live streamed? I've been watching on AOL (lol?) and it keeps crapping out.

 

[Officerrob]

Obama going knee deep now

 

[Gray Man]

Before I turned it off because I was wincing so damn hard, it seemed like Romney was constantly interrupting Obama to make quick rebuttals or clarifications or whatever.

Fair enough.

So fact checkers who is lying about what in the debate, and why isn't Obama calling him out on it?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Romney gets the final word in again, wtf Lehrer.

 

[jbug617]

finally hitting him on the lack specifics.

 

[Black Mamba]

fuuuck, Obama had an opening and missed. He said "is it too good." he should have said "because he has no plan."

 

[Frank the Great]

obama looked like he was about to ether romney for not proposing anything, but he pulled back.

 

[Trurl]

If Romney is winning it's probably only marginally. It just feels terrible for us because he's being much more aggressive than the guy most of us are rooting for.

 

[Byakuya769]

Romney lying again, pre-existing conditions are not covered under his plan.

Another good point:

Townhall Debate.

 

[speculawyer]

"Broaden the Base" = Tax the poor.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

obama looked like he was about to ether romney for not proposing anything, but he pulled back.

Obama is letting Lehrer walk over him, while Romney over rules Lehrer. Obama let's it keep happening.

As Sullivan puts it,

Finally, Obama manages to point out the vagueness of Romney's hazy alternatives. But Romney, who just rolls ovr Lehrer. Yet another round to Romney. I don't think Obama has won a single exchange in this entire debate.

 

[Gray Man]

Townhall Debate.

How can you get away with lying about something like that.

 

[Officerrob]

Romney has gotten the last word on EVERY topic

 

[XenodudeX]

This isn't a comeback that Mitt Romney needs. This changes nothing.

 

[Miletius]

Nobody cares about States rights. Sorry Romney. It's stupid to say "the States can do it" because for most people State Govt and Federal Govt is the exact same thing.

 

[AlteredBeast]

If Romney is winning it's probably only marginally. It just feels terrible for us because he's being much more aggressive than the guy most of us are rooting for.

I could see this being the reality. I think Romney overall is winning the debate, but it only seems like so much in large part because everyone thought Romney would get smoked, a la healthcare debate against GOP Congressmen.

 

[Mike M]

If Romney is winning it's probably only marginally. It just feels terrible for us because he's being much more aggressive than the guy most of us are rooting for.

On a substantive level, maybe. But Romney's delivery is way better, and unless you're a political junkie he sounds like he's making extremely good points.

 

[Byakuya769]

How can you get away with lying about something like that.

Sorry that was in response to what he quoted: "Obama hasn't mentioned 47% or tax evasion."

look i found cartoon soldier's revised electoral map

... My man.

 

[codhand]

I thought "is it too good?" was funny.

 

[RustyNails]

Romney has gotten the last word on EVERY topic

Yup.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Yup.

Obama has 10% more speaking time. Evens out, i think.

 

[RoninChaos]

This moderator is a bitch. Romney has interrupted him EVERY TIME. Wtf.

Come on Bams. God damn.

Also states rights is bullshit when it comes to everything but shit like abortion.

States rights always feels like a cop out to me.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

What's with not hitting 47%?

@ashleyrparker: Things Obama has not yet mentioned, w 15 min left: Bain, 47 percent, flip-flopping....

 

[Officerrob]

What's with not hitting 47%?

Yeah, I don't understand that at all

 

[AlteredBeast]

This moderator is a bitch. Romney has interrupted him EVERY TIME. Wtf.

You don't argue with your future boss, even if he is going to shitcan you.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Stop talking about where you agree on.

Also:

@rebeccagberg
What one undecided voter told me recently comes to mind tonight: backed Obama in '08 bc he appeared more self-assured than McCain in debates

So, who appears more self-assured?

 

[Trurl]

On a substantive level, maybe. But Romney's delivery is way better, and unless you're a political junkie he sounds like he's making extremely good points.

Perhaps, but I think we might also be at risk of misunderestimating the public. The big difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that Romneycare got Republican support in MA? I don't think people will be convinced by points like that.

I also think that Obama's general tone throughout the debate will be preferred over Romney's. It's possible that Romney will be perceived as the winner, but after this is digested it won't be seen as a landslide.

 

[gcubed]

So I just started watching it after getting chicken little vibe from here and I think most are over reacting. I'm sure the conversation here changed the shit pre debate opinion but coming in thinking he was destroying Obama it seems to me like Romney is appealing to the GOP.

Cut PBS, merging fat and cut taxes to 0 infinite revenue arent winning topics

 

[789shadow]

I've come to the conclusion that this is boring.

 

[Jackson50]

Stop talking about where you agree on.

Also:



So, who appears more self-assured?

Oh shit! Obama lost a single vote. He's fucked.

 

[Frank the Great]

ZINGER ALERT

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Come on Obama, don't let him get away by calling your truth lies.

 

[HylianTom]

I've come to the conclusion that this is boring.

Yup. I think I'm looking forward to the afterspin and the snap reactions more than the debate itself.

 

[scorcho]

Obama is acting too professorial up there; being way too loquacious. I'm not expecting rounds of zingers, but he's taking a god damn stroll to get through his points.

And the way Romney is walking over Lehrer is a bit disrespectful. i'd be upset if Lehrer still had a spine to defend.

 

[Black Mamba]

uh, Obama has to respond to that attack...

 

[AlteredBeast]

So I just started watching it after getting chicken little vibe from here and I think most are over reacting. I'm sure the conversation here changed the shit pre debate opinion but coming in thinking he was destroying Obama it seems to me like Romney is appealing to the GOP. Cut PBS, merging fat and cut taxes to 0 infinite revenue isn't winning topics

That is what I mentioned in the debate thread at the beginning. Obama is damn near speaking as a Republican (old-school), Romney is only appealing towards his constituency.