cartoon_soldier
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You don't keep playing safe all the time, or shit like the Seahawks game will happen.
No 47% remarks being brought up was mind boggling.
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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down
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You don't keep playing safe all the time, or shit like the Seahawks game will happen.
No 47% remarks being brought up was mind boggling.
Because Romney came off like he had an actual record and well-thought out ideas to a regular Joe, IMO.
No, no he didn't. Obama challenged him directly on his lack of plans and Romney responded with more vagueness. While on that subject:
Obama should have said he has no real plan. He should have directly said things weren't true. He almost got to it at one point but pulled back.
You obviously weren't paying attention. I quoted several instances in the debate OT of Obama attacking Romney on exactly that.
He should have called out Romney for flip-flopping and even the 47% stuff. This was a debate the end of the election was possible and Obama whiffed.
Was there ever an opportunity for that to come up organically?
Yeah, I know, but he was soooo close to it. He didn't need a lot, just some. He totally should have called out Romney's own taxes, too.
"Mitt Romney proposes a $5 trillion tax cut on people like me and him" -- Obama mentioned that during the role of the federal government.
Did y'all fall asleep or something?
any running counters on the amount of lies from fact checkers?
the obama camp should try and make the story about his lies, like they did with ryan's RNC speech, if this is the consensus among fact checkers.
Politifact was pretty straight about everything Romney said being a lie and everything Obama said being mostly true.
There is no possible gain for Obama personally attacking Romney, there is no possible downfall for Romney attacking Obama directly.
When you're up by 6 with 45 seconds left you don't throw the ball.
Pretty much. Obama stuck with running the ball. All he needs is a first down.. not a touchdown.
TacticalFox88
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Obama underestimated Romney. I think that's pretty much undeniable.
Black Mamba
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There is no possible gain for Obama personally attacking Romney, there is no possible downfall for Romney attacking Obama directly.
When you're up by 6 with 45 seconds left you don't throw the ball.
When you're up 3 with 90 seconds left and it's 3rd & 6 and the other team has a time out, you throw.
that is more like what happened.
Let me clarify a bit. Obama needed to make Romney's tax plan look more like the shit it is. He didn't have to attack him in a negative way, but rather address it more directly. No mention of Mass jobs record, either.
First topic directly after the CNN coverage of the debate: fact checking.
Yup, this will probably be the story.
If only this election were settled by a dance off. Romney would have it in the bag.That wasn't so much a debate as it was Romney dominating with his energy. Despite the fact he continues dancing around specifics for anything, he won easily.
Question is: are everyone's minds already made up?
dressage requires no racing.It's a horse race now.
In the minds of cartoon_soldier, PhoenixDark, and Republicans, sure. In reality, no.It's a horse race now.
RustyNails
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Holy shit Chris Matthews is FUMINGGGGGGGGG
You don't keep playing safe all the time, or shit like the Seahawks game will happen.
No 47% remarks being brought up was mind boggling.
When your up by 6 with 45 seconds left you DONT THROW THE BALL.
No one likes Romney, there is no downfall to him being an arrogant jack ass, which he most definitely comes off as in the debate with no respect to the moderator.
You don't take good likability numbers and an almost insurmountable lead and act like a jack ass to make forum posters go "Dayum you got him GOOD!"
cartoon_soldier
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In the minds of cartoon_soldier, PhoenixDark, and Republicans, sure. In reality, no.
Exactly. Romney won the debate, but it's not going to change the game.
I guess we will wait for the polls then.
Hobbestetrician
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In the minds of cartoon_soldier, PhoenixDark, and Republicans, sure. In reality, no.
I know you are right but it doesn't assure me like I want it to.
In the minds of cartoon_soldier, PhoenixDark, and Republicans, sure. In reality, no.
I don't think Obama wins NC and possibly VA after tonight. Florida will tighten up more and would not surprise in a 2 weeks to find out that Ohio might be in play again.
Obama and Clinton need to go to Ohio.
Brawndo Addict
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I thought Romney "won" in the sense that the narrative was certainly against him before tonight and he was still able to say basically whatever he wanted regardless of the content. How many times did he say something false, and have Obama meagerly call him out, only to have him say something like "nope my plan doesn't do what you said because I never said what it's going to do".
Question did Romney have any memorable moments? In order to win the debate or change the game you have to have a moment
Gore sighing
HW Bush looking at his watch
Reagan looking into the camera with the 4yrs comments
McCain pointing
If Romney "won" someone tell me the moment
Gore sighing
HW Bush looking at his watch
Reagan looking into the camera with the 4yrs comments
McCain pointing
If Romney "won" someone tell me the moment
Boombloxer
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He's attacked him plenty. People are just getting too caught up on Obama taking his time to speak and explain his comments.
IN FACT, it's the same bullshit Obama was lambasted for during his primary run in '08 against Hillary and it made zero fucking difference. Voters haven't bought into the rhetoric thus far, and this debate won't change shit.
I recall people saying the same thing against McCain too. That's not really his style, and honestly doesn't have to be. I prefer being talked to like an adult.
One has a plan, the other says he does, but when pressed, there is little in the way that makes sense or is concrete.
Big Bird didn't help.
Black Mamba
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When your up by 6 with 45 seconds left you DONT THROW THE BALL.
No one likes Romney, there is no downfall to him being an arrogant jack ass, which he most definitely comes off as in the debate with no respect to the moderator.
You don't take good likability numbers and an almost insurmountable lead and act like a jack ass to make forum posters go "Dayum you got him GOOD!"
Your analogy is wrong. He's up 3 with 90 seconds left and it's 3rd and medium and the other team has a timeout left.
You can't run out the clock.
MSNBC is completely right here. Obama barely mentioned Ryan's plan, Ryan keeping medicare cuts, etc.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Question did Romney have any memorable moments? In order to win the debate and change the game you have to have a moment
Gore sighing
HW Bush looking at his watch
Reagan looking into the camera with the 4yrs comments
If Romney "won" someone tell me the moment
Big Bird
Officerrob
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Chris Matthews is fucking pissed
TacticalFox88
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Chris Matthews is fucking pissed
What exactly is he saying?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I'll laugh when the post-debate polls come out and they have Obama winning this debate while watching everyone flip shit.
It's so hard to tell what goes on in the public's head, it could very well end up that way. It would not be the first time.
PhoenixDark
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Bill Maher and msnbc are pissed. Romney clearly won. That's not just my opinion - most of the reaction has been that Obama was off his game. I haven't seen him that bad since the 2007 primary debates
I'll laugh when the post-debate polls come out and they have Obama winning this debate while watching everyone flip shit.
It'd be 2008 election redux. GAF and everyone else in the media killed Obama in the debates and he kept winning with the public.
titiklabingapat
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Thr bigger story is Big Bird.
TacticalFox88
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I'll laugh when the post-debate polls come out and they have Obama winning this debate while watching everyone flip shit.
Don't hold your breath. I'd place my bets on the opposite.
Your analogy is wrong. He's up 3 with 90 seconds left and it's 3rd and medium and the other team has a timeout left.
You can't run out the clock.
MSNBC is completely right here. Obama barely mentioned Ryan's plan, Ryan keeping medicare cuts, etc.
Its not that close.
Bill Maher and msnbc are pissed. Romney clearly won. That's not just my opinion - most of the reaction has been that Obama was off his game. I haven't seen him that bad since the 2007 primary debates
I think you are overstating Bill Maher, but MSNBC is about to explode
It'd be 2008 election redux. GAF and everyone else in the media killed Obama in the debates and he kept winning with the public.
Obama came off as the boring adult, while Romney looked like he was desperate and hopped-up on Adderall.
Black Mamba
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Guys, it's not that Obama didn't attack Romney personally. It's that he didn't bring up what needed to be mentioned.
Ryan's take on Medicare's $716billion wasn't mentioned.
Romney's jobs record when Romney kept talking about his record there
Asking Romney directly to explain his plan for repealing Obamacare and keeping the so-called pre-existed conditions part.
Asking Romney how the deductions will add up with tax cuts, asking for a specific deduction reduction.
I could go on. He didn't make the substantive points about why Romney sucks very well. Obama tried to simply defend his own stuff without explaining why the other choice is a really bad choice or how they're being hypocritical and no making sense.
Ryan's take on Medicare's $716billion wasn't mentioned.
Romney's jobs record when Romney kept talking about his record there
Asking Romney directly to explain his plan for repealing Obamacare and keeping the so-called pre-existed conditions part.
Asking Romney how the deductions will add up with tax cuts, asking for a specific deduction reduction.
I could go on. He didn't make the substantive points about why Romney sucks very well. Obama tried to simply defend his own stuff without explaining why the other choice is a really bad choice or how they're being hypocritical and no making sense.
cartoon_soldier
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I'll laugh when the post-debate polls come out and they have Obama winning this debate while watching everyone flip shit.
I highly doubt that.
Post the snap polls when they are released.
Thr bigger story is Big Bird.
Social media will make that the talking point as the night goes on. The pundits are focused on who had more testosterone.
Bill Maher and msnbc are pissed. Romney clearly won. That's not just my opinion - most of the reaction has been that Obama was off his game. I haven't seen him that bad since the 2007 primary debates
If Bill Maher and MSNBC are pissed that's ... not a bad thing.
Basically didn't understand Obamas approach at all, that he wasn't fighting for anything whilst Romney was up for the bout and winning.What exactly is he saying?
Officerrob
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Obama left almost all his attack arrows in his quiver, how the hell did this debate go by with no mention of the 47%?
Question did Romney have any memorable moments? In order to win the debate or change the game you have to have a moment
Gore sighing
HW Bush looking at his watch
Reagan looking into the camera with the 4yrs comments
McCain pointing
If Romney "won" someone tell me the moment
Yep didn't see it, Romney might have 'won' from a shallow argument of coherence and presentation, but the only positive thing that came out of this for Romney is its the first time he is looking 'competent' but if that is all that we can take away from it then that just admits he wasn't even a candidate before coming into the debates. Its not going to be a game changer, it was a horrible debate all around. The only 'optics' thing that people are going to remember from this debate Lehrer getting ran over and taking it.
cartoon_soldier
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Again, why Obama didn't mention these?
@ajjaffe: I expected to hear more on: Fiscal cliff, auto bailout, sequestration, Buffett rule, Romney's wealth/tax returns and Bain.
afternoon delight
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Obama controls the narrative by setting up the punch?
Black Mamba
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Again, why Obama didn't mention these?
bingo. And more Ryan plan. Obama focused too much on himself - not a smart choice.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Social media will make that the talking point as the night goes on. The pundits are focused on who had more testosterone.
It would be hilarious;
The media may give it some coverage too since they cover of stuff people are talking about online in an effort to try to appear relevant.
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