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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down
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jamesinclair
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Clearly Obama doesnt read poligaf
First, two additional debates intervene the election. So Obama could still outperform Romney. Second, that would require an unprecedented shift. Historically, debates have only nominally shifted public opinion. And in the one instance where the shift was appreciable, 2000, it was only a few points. And Obama's performance does not compare to Gore's. So, it's highly unlikely Romney benefits considerably from tonight.
Red Blaster
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CNN's status quo BOF SIDEZ R DA SAME
No but when you are down in as many states as Romney is there has to be a moment to do anything
Otherwise it does not mean anything, people don't remember overall things they need moments.
Romney needs that one thing to power him through, you can't come from behind just by doing OK or not fucking up
People never learn.
Black Mamba
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Like I said, I think Obama missed a chance to END the election. he didn't lose it tonight and I agree it probably won't shift opinions much.
But this was a chance to end Mitt's run, hurt downticket ballots, etc. Instead, the game goes on.
But this was a chance to end Mitt's run, hurt downticket ballots, etc. Instead, the game goes on.
This.
If this debate put Romney in a national lead it would be the largest poll swing in the history of Presidential debates.
Ask yourself: sure, Obama did poorly, but did he turn in the worst debate performance OF ALL TIME? Keep in mind he did not demonstrate disinterest in his wife's death, claim that the Soviets did not dominate Eastern Europe or compare himself to Jack Kennedy.
I keep saying this will probably be the story from tonight. Normally the press gets no substance to talk about from the debates so it's all fluffy shit, this gives them something to talk about that isn't fluffy.
I think the point that is being missed entirely, even if you think Romney "won": Did Romney do good enough of a job to come away as a clear and BETTER alternative to Obama?
No, not even close. His lack of ideas will still permeate through the electorate, and even if the message does reach some people, he still has to battle his insincerity problems -- and Romney did a piss-poor job of being seen as sincere tonight.
The election ended when Romney went to London.
No, not even close. His lack of ideas will still permeate through the electorate, and even if the message does reach some people, he still has to battle his insincerity problems -- and Romney did a piss-poor job of being seen as sincere tonight.
The election ended when Romney went to London.
jamesinclair
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Fact checks are rolling in
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-03#b84167e95
Looks like it was Mitt "full of lies" Romney.
Also, Cain should have run as a 3rd party candidate so he would have been part of the debate
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/debates/presidential/2012-10-03#b84167e95
Looks like it was Mitt "full of lies" Romney.
Also, Cain should have run as a 3rd party candidate so he would have been part of the debate
The Frankman
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CBS Undecided Voters Poll
Obama - 22%
Romney - 46%
Unsure - 32%
Geez.
Obama - 22%
Romney - 46%
Unsure - 32%
Geez.
What the fuck did Obama do poorly? Not go nuclear on Romney?
Did Romney detail an optimistic vision for what he is going to do in this country?
With that goes the election.
RoninChaos
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I agree completely. That's what's disapointing. I can't figure out WHY Obama didn't press him on all of those things. He let Romney set the tone, and even if it's the ignorant mother fuckers he set the tone for, Romney still controlled it. Obama did have a chance to end this and press Romney for the same thing others have. Why he didn't is BEYOND me.
romney just won?
The only way that was happening if Romney did that to himself, like Perry did in the primaries.
And how many undecided voters are there at this point? Relax
It was a choice debate, not "are you better off now?", so I'm not seeing how Romney controlled the debate.
The Frankman
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Obama Team needs to nerf Romney's lies in the next 3-4 days. No momentum for Romney.
Bahahaha
Yes, this is what will happen. If/when it does I will have so many salty tears to drink.
If the race does narrow (and I'm not quite convinced yet), I think we're going to see a 2004-style re-election instead of a 1996-style election. Ohio and Wisconsin are on lockdown. New Hampshire looks quite strong. This gets Obama to 269EVs.
Just one more state from FL/VA/CO/IA/NC/NV is needed.
Thus, the ice stays in my veins.
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I love the idea that Republicans will have hope after tonight. It'll be all the better when their worst fears come true on Election Day. Seeing Obama re-elected will fucking break them, and it'll be so damn savory.. mmm..
Just one more state from FL/VA/CO/IA/NC/NV is needed.
Thus, the ice stays in my veins.
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I love the idea that Republicans will have hope after tonight. It'll be all the better when their worst fears come true on Election Day. Seeing Obama re-elected will fucking break them, and it'll be so damn savory.. mmm..
The Librarian
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Officerrob
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Damn that's awful, but snap polls are basically worthless
An extension of how we treat politics in general.
cartoon_soldier
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But GAF told me Obama will win the debates, it will be a knockout. Looks like it was the other way around.
If the race does narrow (and I'm not quite convinced yet), I think we're going to see a 2004-style re-election instead of a 1996-style election. Ohio and Wisconsin are on lockdown. New Hampshire looks quite strong. This gets Obama to 269EVs.
Just one more state from FL/VA/CO/IA/NC/NV is needed.
Thus, the ice stays in my veins.
Why do you think they're concentrating so much on early voting in IA?
PantherLotus
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Steady, steady.
Had to listen to the debate on my phone since I had to work. Ultimately Romney did a lot better than I thought. They really taught him to talk really well, I think. He had a pretty compassionate, soft tone that I think probably went over well with people.
That said, wow, if the American people buy that man's bullshit snake oil, then wow... just wow.
That said, wow, if the American people buy that man's bullshit snake oil, then wow... just wow.
If the race does narrow (and I'm not quite convinced yet), I think we're going to see a 2004-style re-election instead of a 1996-style election. Ohio and Wisconsin are on lockdown. New Hampshire looks quite strong. This gets Obama to 269EVs.
Just one more state from FL/VA/CO/IA/NC/NV is needed.
Thus, the ice stays in my veins.
FL is in the bag, romney admitted he plans to make medicare a voucher program.
cartoon_soldier
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In good news, Obama will not be expected to win the 2nd debate.
jamesinclair
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Actually, Obama did win the debate, you just dont know it yet because the fact check and ads arent in
Its a snap poll. Its basically the same as a fucking Internet poll; its statistically worthless and does nothing but provide garbage to fill 20 seconds of news coverage.
The Librarian
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PANIC THIS DEBATE WITH NO BAD STUMBLES FOR EITHER CANDIDATE WILL DO WHAT NO OTHER DEBATE HAS EVER DONE AND SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE RACE
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