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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down
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The Librarian
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With Republicans winning filibuster-proof, two-thirds majority in the Senate and a two-thirds majority in the House.
Demopocalypse.
DataStream
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Romney came off really well spewing a stream of lies that will be easy to cut up and display as contradictions against his record.
Obama came off as too intelectual and wonky. He had lots of opportunities to smack Romney down and took very few of them.
Obama came off as too intelectual and wonky. He had lots of opportunities to smack Romney down and took very few of them.
PhoenixDark
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Even Obama's spin people aren't denying what happened. Tonight was the night Obama could have clearly closed the door on this election. Instead it was Bush Kerry redux, what the fuck.
The post-debate polls will be VERY interesting.
The post-debate polls will be VERY interesting.
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Some lady on CNN just said Obama had no facts. wut?
metalslimer
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Uh huh.
Thank you.Yes, I agree; for all the chicken littles in here, let's look at the facts again, shall we?
Something approaching statistical significance in one case.
The sum of the parts is the whole. If it only shifts national polls nominally, it's going manifest similarly in state polls.
PhoenixDark
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He already closed the door on the election, he is just running out the clock.
Why do I keep engaging you, its like an addiction lol
Didn't watch, but I may look for some highlights to see if Obama was as "out of place" or "uncomfortable" as people are saying.
Judging by news snippets, this might cause a small number of independents to consider Romney, but how many partisan voters really change their minds after a debate?
Judging by news snippets, this might cause a small number of independents to consider Romney, but how many partisan voters really change their minds after a debate?
Nate is great with numbers and data, but he's not good at political analysis.
The Librarian
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Will I need to start drinking to get through this thread for the next month? Dear lord...
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PD stroking his... pointy beard.
eBay Huckster
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he's been surprised by a lot of things that didn't happen
(i'm mainly responding to you so diablos won't get any bright ideas)
el retorno
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This is so fun to watch.
Obama "lost" the debate. He didn't capitalize on Romney's statements (admitting to voucher program, no tax raises in the rich, etc.) but I don't think he lost major support. And I think he'll be better prepared for the next two.
I really do wonder if turkey-syria played any part in his absent-mindedness
It also said Romney only one likability by 1%
btw why am I responding to you?
Yes. Troll us for all it's worth. Savor it. Tonight is your night.
Saying the debates historically don't matter is simply a deflection of the fact that Obama did a horrible job, in what nearly everybody in this thread thought would be utter destruction for Romney. In fact, if we went through the posts before the debate, I remember seeing a lot of "Romney can't debate, he floundered in the primaries, Obama has years of experience, et al."
Obama looked like I did in school when presenting a presentation on something I barely skimmed. He rambled, couldn't make a point even when it was in an area that he trounces Romney in, appeared condescending and disconnected. There is not one potentially positive thing that came out of tonight for the Obama camp. For the next week the entire narrative is going to be the comeback story of Mitt Romney, leading into the next debate...between Joe 'Lots of Gaffe's' Biden and Paul Ryan. If Mitt handled Obama with such ease, I don't see Ryan doing any worse.
Did Romney twist the truth? Probably. But using that as a defense of Obama's miserable performance is not helping the cause. There are a little more than 30 days left to the election, and I hope that rather than trying to minimize any potential impact of these debates, people can start realizing Mitt isn't down for the count.
Obama looked like I did in school when presenting a presentation on something I barely skimmed. He rambled, couldn't make a point even when it was in an area that he trounces Romney in, appeared condescending and disconnected. There is not one potentially positive thing that came out of tonight for the Obama camp. For the next week the entire narrative is going to be the comeback story of Mitt Romney, leading into the next debate...between Joe 'Lots of Gaffe's' Biden and Paul Ryan. If Mitt handled Obama with such ease, I don't see Ryan doing any worse.
Did Romney twist the truth? Probably. But using that as a defense of Obama's miserable performance is not helping the cause. There are a little more than 30 days left to the election, and I hope that rather than trying to minimize any potential impact of these debates, people can start realizing Mitt isn't down for the count.
RustyNails
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lol, someone call 911 @ PD's residence...dude's gonna get a stroke any second
???? romney won the debate. it is not bold to say that his poll numbers might improve as a result.
Nah. If anything, we'll have to wait for the Central or Mountain Time Zone states' polls to close before popping the champagne instead of the Eastern Time Zone. No biggie.
Again, shit like this shouldn't be called until the next day.
except that it can be done?
Most of the people who are saying the debates don't matter now were saying that Romney is a well-prepared debater and will probably win the first debate and get a poll bump. You can't just lump all of PoliGAF into a liberal hivemind, no matter how much you want to.
"I've sent a lot of jobs overseas."
"No, no, I have to respond to that."
"I support a voucher program for Medicare."
PhoenixDark
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yea ok whatever The complete denial of reality here is stunning. Obama looked completely lost, and EVERY poll shows that.
Let me get this straight: you guys believe there is no way Obama loses this election (barring some colossal event/scandal/etc). Debates don't matter, the campaign doesn't matter, nothing matters - Obama is up, and will stay up. He's ahead in swing states, and will remain ahead in swing states.
Obama winning in of itself would be a reversal of previous trends: presidents with bad economies and 8% unemployment usually don't get re-elected. He's currently on the path to proving that trend wrong. Yet you guys cannot acknowledge that we could instead see another reversal of a trend: the candidate ahead at this point almost always wins.
No I agree. But I think Nate might be thinking it will be a bigger shift than it ends up being. I can see Romney improving by 2, maybe, 3 points. But that won't be enough.
Dr. Pangloss
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PD I expected you to have saved some posts to make others eat crow. Probably ones where someone posted Obama debating the House on Healthcare. You're not meeting my expectations. I don't mind losing one debate. There are 3 of them. I rather not be at the peak of my support come election day, but having my numbers rising in a steady direction. And all I care are the poll numbers in Ohio and Virginia. Nothing else matters.
Say this to yourself PD, "Romney has not led on any poll average since February."
Say this to yourself PD, "Romney has not led on any poll average since February."
cooljeanius
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So I missed the "Big Bird" moment that everyone is talking about... could I get a link to it?
jamesinclair
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So what about the following portion of the debate?
(paraphrase)
Obama: Tax cuts for outsourcing jobs
Romney: Really? Damn, I wish my accountant was in on that, would have made bank
Make it an ad.
(paraphrase)
Obama: Tax cuts for outsourcing jobs
Romney: Really? Damn, I wish my accountant was in on that, would have made bank
Make it an ad.
Officerrob
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Your act is boring
What are you even going on about, man?
Have you never done something that felt amazing when you did it but regretted it the next morning? We say he won now, but what if the fact checking of the debate becomes the story? The story might stay the same or it might change.
Aaron Strife
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What a bunch of drama queens.
Dominican Power
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el retorno
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CNN is admitting their debate poll leans republican unlike the actual country.
The Librarian
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN
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PD DEMANDS EXPIATION.
I don't trust the American voter that much. I think they change their mind very quickly.
Shocking, absolutely shocking.
BuggyDClown
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This.
I made sure to post this on facebook. So I can take the screencap and share it to all these idiots in a day or so.
Why should obama be aggressive when the world will call romney a liar. Take the high road.
On this section, what the hell was up with that? The tax credits for companies that outsource jobs is a real thing, isn't it?
This is my biggest issue with the debate. Romney gave a better performance but he said nothing. Obama should have hit him harder on a number of things but really as said how do you go against someone that will stand there lie out of his ass and deny it. That's what Romney did tonight. There is a way to show he's lying but you can't do that in a debate, especially when the moderator is not willing to call out BS or even do their damn job. Obama could turn around and say yes you did but at that point it looks like he's whining. There was nothing new learned from Romney tonight.
MSNBC was a damn embarrassment tonight too. Instead of saying Obama's performance was bad and then moving on to fact checking the damn debate, since that is the most important thing and why people watch debate analysis, they lost their minds, especially Matthews. I had to change the channel.
I don't think this is going to move polls as most people have already made up their mind. You have learned more over the last several months and weeks then you ever could have learned in the debate. I don't even understand why we have them to be honest. The purpose of them are long gone with the the way the TV ads are done, coverage by news media, the ease at which campaigns can now travel, and the Internet. In primaries they make some sense since there is a lack of money and people are mostly unknown. Once you get to the general election today that isn't the case. Ugh.
I expect fact checking tomorrow. Just after the RNC. Those in the media know Romney is lying his ass off. How can they not be bothered by that.
eBay Huckster
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I wonder what that poll looks like unskewed!
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