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True. That's why expect a blow out in the next debate. Romney and Phoenix Dark better be prepared.
Honestly I don't think Obama was as bad as folks are saying. Problem is the media reporting is making it sound like he was abysmal and that's what most people will see.
That said, I thought Obama did well on medicare/medicaid. That's very important in places like NM and FL
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
LOL. I imagine Romney with his bike helmet on running into poor people with a Segway.
Segue, Rusty, the word is segue.
I would only buy one from him if I didn't have to tell him how I was paying for it.
eBay Huckster
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So what you're saying is... OPTICS.
teruterubozu
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Why would I buy a car from someone who makes me cry? Huh?
Sirpopopop
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More people are going to watch the debates, than the fact checks afterwards.
Especially when you consider the people who are swayed by debates aren't political junkies who pay attention to fact check sites.
Normally, I don't think debates matter, but that was a piss poor job by Obama, such a poor job that the debate might actually matter. He should be feeling like shit today.
Especially when you consider the people who are swayed by debates aren't political junkies who pay attention to fact check sites.
Normally, I don't think debates matter, but that was a piss poor job by Obama, such a poor job that the debate might actually matter. He should be feeling like shit today.
Officerrob
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Obama is speaking in Denver, where the fuck was this guy last night?
I honestly think he was thrown off his games by Romney's lies and the weak "moderation"
SERIOUSLY. It's like Obama was just stockpiling romney's quotes on stage for his campaign trail forgetting that 50 million people were waiting for him to make those points ON STAGE NOW. Obama is going off on Romney now, saying the man on stage couldn't run on what he was saying the last year because people didn't like what he was selling.
Red Blaster
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It was pre tapping dat Michelle ass
RustyNails
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Michelle's booty is Oabma's Sun.
Yeah, as amazing as it sounds, I think there's a real possibility Obama wasn't prepared for Romney to disavow everything he'd said til this point. You can see in the "never mind" sound bite that he seems genuinely bemused by the position he's in.
Conservatives hate PBS and NPR. It's not new.
Joke maybe?
Hellsing321
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It more likely he was fantasizing about Hilary and wondering where he went wrong to have married someone so cold as Michelle.
RustyNails
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Fuck that. "Segway into 47%" should be plastered in Obama's campaign events, like "you didn't built that" was in Romney's.
teruterubozu
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Would you buy a new Volt from Obama? Be honest.
I feel like a new man today fellas. I woke up with a huge boner the likes of which I haven't seen since my Reagan youth corps days.
But the Minneapolis based editor for GI? I had no idea.
Byakuya769
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Needs his John Edwards pep talk now.
speculawyer
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Obama can't use that as an excuse. Both sides over-ran their time and Obama spoke more than Romney. He just didn't use the time as effectively. Romney machine-gunned talking points whereas Obama started going into longer explanations thus giving the appearance of Romney saying more.
PhoenixDark
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IMO if I was Obama's camp I'd secretly ask Bill Clinton to help with debate prep. I'd have Obama waiting at the podium for Kerry, then out comes Bill. And i'd advise Bill to not only play Romney in terms of towing a conservative line, but also heavily bring up the Clinton record; it wouldn't take long for Clinton to exercise some demons, and for Obama to get agitated and upset.
Not only could this help further repair their relationship, it would force Obama to recognize the weaknesses he has as a debater. I think Obama would have to rise to the occasion, keep his cool, and it would completely over prepare him for Romney.
Not only could this help further repair their relationship, it would force Obama to recognize the weaknesses he has as a debater. I think Obama would have to rise to the occasion, keep his cool, and it would completely over prepare him for Romney.
No doubt Romney will get points out of this. It's what I expected coming in. In a best case scenario for Romney, he may have pushed Florida back into a virtual tie and may have kept North Carolina from going blue with this debate performance. Maybe. I can't see him moving the needle far enough in the other states that he really needs in order to change the outcome of the election at this point, though. He needs to do much much more than this to have any chance. He pretty much needs to win every debate, decidedly, and build a lot of momentum over the course of the month, and I just don't see it playing out that way.
I expect the VP debate to mostly be a wash with both sides claiming victories (Ryan is going to look good but get caught in a lot of lies, Biden will be the old lion who appeals to blue collar workers but will likely say a couple of silly things), the foreign policy debate to tilt decidedly towards Obama (he has ta decided advantage here, and there is no rhetoric that Romney can run to that will appeal to the nation at large without alienating his base), and the final debate to largely be a wash as well or maybe possibly leaning slightly towards Obama (I expect both of them to pull out the big guns for this, except Romney has already used his biggest weapons in last night's debate whereas Obama decidedly did not).
The net result is that we'll probably see polls tighten for the next week or so, probably stall out somewhat after the VP debate, swing back in Obama's direction after the foreign policy debate, and then probably make some small moves in different directions in different states over the final week or two. If things play out like that, Obama gets reelected fairly handily.
teruterubozu
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Obama doesn't need Kerry or Clinton. He just needs to wake the fuck up.
Guess he's a conservative. They exist in Minny too.
The boogeyman hate that NPR gets is laughable. If the government defunded the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, I'd be in mourning.
(Then I'd write a check for $100 to my local station.)
StopMakingSense
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I think everybody is overreacting. All Obama needed to do was make no unforced errors, which he did fine.
Romney, while looking good, provided plenty of ammunition for things that are going to bury him. He said he supports Medicare vouchers for fuck's sake! Romney walked in with a strategy that would win him the night, but NOT the election.
Romney, while looking good, provided plenty of ammunition for things that are going to bury him. He said he supports Medicare vouchers for fuck's sake! Romney walked in with a strategy that would win him the night, but NOT the election.
This is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if that Chicago politician that showed himself during the summer while defining Mitt didn't come back out of him.
Debates really don't matter in the end, and Obama is still going to win regardless, but the Romney "comeback" narrative was going to happen regardless. Instead of it coming up a week before election, it's hitting at the very beginning of the debates. He's been down for too long and the media needs their horse race. I don't think it was intentional on Obama's part, but this leaves room for a last Romney "bump" to get out of the way while there's still some time before election day.
i read it as attitude and thought, 'uh, yes?'
speculawyer
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The car championed by Republican climate-change denying Bob Lutz, the car designed during the Bush administration, the car that runs mostly on 100% domestic electricity instead of imported oil, the car designed in the USA, the car built in the USA, and the car that comes with a $7500 tax-credit signed into law by George Bush?
Yeah, I would buy that car from Obama but I'm not sure what Obama has to do with other than he saved the company by putting it through a structured bankruptcy. I'm just glad the Obama car czar was not able to kill the Volt program like he wanted to because it was expensive but luckily the GM people insisted on keeping it because they knew it was an important drivetrain technology for the long-term health of the company.
A spew of misinformation does that for conservatives. They never feel better than when they are having smoke blown up their ass.
Byakuya769
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I want the rights to this movie. "The Czar's Debate."
How long does one have to exercise some demons before they get tired?
I can't prove it, but I suspect you are somehow responsible, at least partially, for Obama's performance last night. I've yet to deduce how. But give me more time.
RustyNails
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Maybe during the prep when Obama is waiting at the podium for Kerry, Bill Clinton can come out while forcibly fondling Michelle as she tries to let go of Slick Willy's pimp hands? I think that will get Obama agitated and upset.
StopMakingSense
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But if Bill is with Obama, and Michelle is with Obama, who is going to be there for Hillary, PD? WHO?
So alone.....
teruterubozu
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Seriously, wedding anniversary night is a vulnerable time for Obama - the dude is pretty serious about his family. I'm sure Michelle was scowling all day long. No decent family man can operate under those conditions.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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C'mon. Let me gloat for one day. It's been a long time since the breeze of freedom has blown up my ass.
When's the last time you had a prostate exam? I mean, I'm just putting the pieces together here, but this is definitely suggestive.
An old tweet he claims to be a "liberal atheist", it's not the first time he's shat on NPR I've discovered. Thing is NPR and MPR have deep roots in the Twin Cities, notably Garrison Keillor.
StopMakingSense
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I think more the whole NATO member being attacked by Syria was more disruptive.
cartoon_soldier
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Swing State newspapers:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/swing-state-news-papers-declare-romney-winner
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/swing-state-news-papers-declare-romney-winner
StopMakingSense
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Yeah, Mitt probably lost Florida forever after last night.
To be fair, Romney told people 55+ to stop listening before he said he was for vouchers. That has to help.
Sirpopopop
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This sounds like some nice spin here.
Would it have been better for Obama to win this debate rather than lose in a horrific fashion?
We all know the answer to that.
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