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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Stinkles

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eznark said:
I'm confused, how is that a lie?
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Typically when people say you did a number within a number, and climbers in particular, you're referring to your completion percentage. Now we'll never know, but it would be funny to list repeats in a range famed for almost the number you claim.
 
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Kosmo

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Stinkles said:
I will regret defending Kosmo, but to be fair, I did exactly the same thing and had exactly the same thought - this VERY morning.
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I'm not sure if they just resurrected it for the convention, but from what I have watched in the last year or so, they seemed to be running with "The Place for Politics."
 
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eznark

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Stinkles said:
Typically when people say you did a number within a number, and climbers in particular, you're referring to your completion percentage. Now we'll never know, but it would be funny to list repeats in a range famed for almost the number you claim.
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"(My father) died of a heart attack at 55, my grandfather died of a heart attack at 57, my great-grandfather died of heart attack at 59, so I'm into the health thing," says Ryan. He is fairly careful about what he eats, performs an intense cross-training routine known as P90X most mornings, and has made close to 40 climbs of Colorado's "Fourteeners" (14,000-foot peaks).
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This isn't terribly ambiguous. "I've made close to 40 climbs" isn't the same as "I have climbed 40 of" unless you are reading it as some sort of lunatic masturbating furiously over potential gotcha's.
 
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B-Dubs

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Kosmo said:
I'm not sure if they just resurrected it for the convention, but from what I have watched in the last year or so, they seemed to be running with "The Place for Politics."
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They've been using both and running commercials for both, but yea they've been using "The Place for Politics" more heavily lately.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
eznark said:
This isn't terribly ambiguous. "I've made close to 40 climbs" isn't the same as "I have climbed 40 of" unless you are reading it as some sort of lunatic masturbating furiously over potential gotcha's.
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I don't know what he meant, I was simply explaining the logic of the article. His marathon lie simply casts him in the light of exactly the kind of person who makes absurd boasts about physical feats. It's his own fault his other claims are now under a microsocope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteener

The Fourteeners are apparently almost always cast as a collection to be completed as you can see in the link above.
 
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Guevara

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I don't think Ryan deliberately mislead anyone with the climbing comments, I just think the press is now on high alert looking for lies that may or may not be there.
 
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Clevinger

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it's hilarious how they fucked up the god/israel thing

snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, indeed.

and I'm continually amazed how Republicans lead the media by the nose. they're incredible.
 
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Horse Detective

Why the long case?
I can't take it anymore guys.

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Averon

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XenodudeX said:
Who cares.
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In the grand scheme of things, yes, this issue with putting the words God and Jeruselam back into the party platform is inconsequential. However, this shows that Dems still bows to manufactured outrage from the right. Shows a total lack of backbone and it is very frustrating to see.
 
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PhoenixDark

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You must admit it's pretty stupid not to have the word "god" in your platform once. Come on

couldn't care less about Jerusalem though, screw that nonsense
 
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BSsBrolly

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Never heard of The Hill. But my local news station's website is running an article based on a poll they conducted stating 54% believe Obama doesn't deserve a second term based on performance. 52% stating the country is worse off then before and only 40% saying he deserves a second term. Based on 1000 people polled.

I cannot find where they conducted this poll and I have no idea if they are a credible web site. Anyone heard of them? Please tell me this is a right wing propaganda machine.
 
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Clevinger

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Averon said:
In the grand scheme of things, yes, this issue with putting the words God and Jeruselam back into the party platform is inconsequential. However, this shows that Dems still bows to manufactured outrage from the right. Shows a total lack of backbone and it is very frustrating to see.
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And it's going to dominate the coverage of one or more of their convention days. So incredibly stupid.


BSsBrolly said:
Never heard of The Hill. But my local news station's website is running an article based on a poll they conducted stating 54% believe Obama doesn't deserve a second term based on performance. 52% stating the country is worse off then before and only 40% saying he deserves a second term. Based on 1000 people polled.

I cannot find where they conducted this poll and I have no idea if they are a credible web site. Anyone heard of them? Please tell me this is a right wing propaganda machine.
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They're a legit site. I don't know much about their polls though.
 
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Stinkles

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Kosmo said:
Kind of like how Republicans scrutinize Obama's words for socialistic tendencies after his "spread the wealth around" comment. It's his own fault, basically.
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How is, "I ran a 2.5 hour Marathon" (when he did it in four) the same as "spread the wealth around"?

Answer: It isn't - you are a parody of yourself. One is a lie about a physical achievement, the other is a perfectly reasonable and indeed laudable comment about a demonstrable wealth disparity.
 
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Kosmo

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BSsBrolly said:
Never heard of The Hill. But my local news station's website is running an article based on a poll they conducted stating 54% believe Obama doesn't deserve a second term based on performance. 52% stating the country is worse off then before and only 40% saying he deserves a second term. Based on 1000 people polled.

I cannot find where they conducted this poll and I have no idea if they are a credible web site. Anyone heard of them? Please tell me this is a right wing propaganda machine.
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Here's the poll results:

http://thehill.com/images/stories/news/2012/09_september/crosstabs_72412.pdf

Based on the demographics, seems pretty evenly distributed.


Stinkles said:
How is, "I ran a 2.5 hour Marathon" (when he did it in four) the same as "spread the wealth around"?

Answer: It isn't - you are a parody of yourself. One is a lie about a physical achievement, the other is a perfectly reasonable and indeed laudable comment about a demonstrable wealth disparity.
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I didn't say they were the same - I simply said that saying them draws attention for further scrutiny. Ryan is drawing attention for a non-sensical fib and now we are digging into what mountains he has climbed. Obama drew attention by using a phrase commonly associated with socialist ideology, so when he makes other comments like "You didn't build that" the Republicans are going to run with them, regardless of if you agree on the context.
 
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PhoenixDark

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At least Ryan fibs about stuff most men fib about: sports exploits. He doesn't fib about drug use, former girlfriends, people he has met, etc.
 
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RDreamer

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PhoenixDark said:
You must admit it's pretty stupid not to have the word "god" in your platform once. Come on

couldn't care less about Jerusalem though, screw that nonsense
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I'm no going to admit such a thing. Even as a Christian God doesn't have any place in a political platform.
 
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Gruco

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PhoenixDark said:
At least Ryan fibs about stuff most men fib about: sports exploits. He doesn't fib about drug use, former girlfriends, people he has met, etc.
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"Fib" is not the right word here. At all.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/opinion/pearlman-ryan-marathon/index.html

For those of you who don't run, a 4:01 marathoner insisting he broke three hours is the equivalent of a .220 hitter speaking of a .310 average. It's a retired small-town mayor looking back at his time as a U.S. senator; a dive-bar rock band bragging of once opening for KISS at Madison Square Garden. In this world of ours, there are exaggerations ("She looked just like Halle Berry!"), there are boasts ("Hell, gimme a week in the pool and I'll destroy Michael Phelps!") and there are flat-out, straight-up, no-holds-barred lies.
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I know you guys are just being in character or whatever, but I really hate seeing this treated as some small trivial thing. It's big, it's bald-faced, and it's insulting to people who take what they do very seriously.

http://rwdaily.runnersworld.com/2012/09/paul-ryans-critics-and-defenders-are-missing-the-point.html

In doing so, Mr. Ryan diminished -- just a little -- the status of every single person who has put in the work to run sub-3:00, who has accomplished this feat, who has achieved this rare honor. This concept seems alien to him. Even now, he appears amused by all the fuss.

It's galling.
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cartoon_soldier

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PhoenixDark said:
At least Ryan fibs about stuff most men fib about: sports exploits. He doesn't fib about drug use, former girlfriends, people he has met, etc.
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For a math guy his rounding is pretty awesome. Even if he rounded a 4 hour time down, it would be 4 hours or even 3 hours. How did he get from that to less than 3 hours?

Ryan is a politician built on a lie. Serious guy, deficit hawk, numbers guy, hard truths guy, etc, etc.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Oh criminy. I have an ugly feeling that this crap with the Dems backpeddling on Jerusalem and God is going to overshadow anything good from any of the speakers.
 
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Raine

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Seriously would anyone even run against Hillary if she decided to give it a go in 2016? Talking about Dems obviously.
 
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