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[cartoon_soldier]

Very partisan speech by Fluke. I have a feeling this could ruin some of the goodwill she generated

What goodwill, where with which conservatives?

Bill O'Reily who said maybe Democrats will drop condoms because "we all know what Sandra Fluke is all about". Or the conservatives that agreed with Rush but just thought he used a poor choice of words?

 

[Kosmo]

Whos all these mystery business that will be dumping coverage?

Smaller businesses under 300 employees.

 

[Kosmo]

Very partisan speech by Fluke. I have a feeling this could ruin some of the goodwill she generated

"Pro-Choice Republicans: It's now time to choose...abort Obama."

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Smaller businesses under 300 employees.

I guess the 60 person small business I work at didn't get that memo.

 

[Kosmo]

I guess the 60 person small business I work at didn't get that memo.

They haven't been hit with the realities yet - when they can actually dump you off the insurance rolls, cap their healthcare expenditures at $2500 per employee, let you go into the exchange with a subsidy, they will.

It all depends on the type of company - small, highly profitable employers with highly skilled employees will probably continue to provide coverage. Companies that employ general laborers (e.g. smaller auto parts suppliers, etc.) - sorry, you're getting dumped. It might not be a big number at first, but once a couple companies jump, others will follow.

 

[DynamicG]

They haven't been hit with the realities yet - when they can actually dump you off the insurance rolls, cap their healthcare expenditures at $2500 per employee, let you go into the exchange with a subsidy, they will.

It all depends on the type of company - small, highly profitable employers with highly skilled employees will probably continue to provide coverage. Companies that employ general laborers (e.g. smaller auto parts suppliers, etc.) - sorry, you're getting dumped. It might not be a big number at first, but once a couple companies jump, others will follow.

Is there some way we can get your predictions carved into stone tablets? I think they'd hold more weight that way. Actually, putting them in stone might be the only way.

 

[Chumly]

They haven't been hit with the realities yet - when they can actually dump you off the insurance rolls, cap their healthcare expenditures at $2500 per employee, let you go into the exchange with a subsidy, they will.

It all depends on the type of company - small, highly profitable employers with highly skilled employees will probably continue to provide coverage. Companies that employ general laborers (e.g. smaller auto parts suppliers, etc.) - sorry, you're getting dumped. It might not be a big number at first, but once a couple companies jump, others will follow.

Nobody is going to drop full coverage for a $2500 fine that makes them extremely uncompetitive.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Fluke didn't even say thank you, god bless America, etc. What a shrill speech

edit: Warren's chance to bomb

 

[Clevinger]

Ladies and gentlement, the future not-Senator of Massachusetts.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Warren's speech is competing with the NFL opener. Interesting case of Cowboys vs Indian

 

[Gruco]

edit: Warren's chance to bomb

She lead praising Hills, still time to hop on the Warren bandwagon.

 

[Kosmo]

Nobody is going to drop full coverage for a $2500 fine that makes them extremely uncompetitive.

Like I said - in competitive industries with highly paid/skilled workers who have mobility, they will not dump coverage. If you're a high school graduate working at a plant cutting wire, sorry, where are you going to go?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Fluke didn't even say thank you, god bless America, etc. What a shrill speech

edit: Warren's chance to bomb

Maybe the person who gets the biggest bump from the conventions is Warren...

w00t SIKH SIGHTING, Indian people, my brothers! To Arms!

 

[Cloudy]

Warren is boring

 

[Kosmo]

"Fair share, blah blah blah."

 

[Chumly]

Like I said - in competitive industries with highly paid/skilled workers who have mobility, they will not dump coverage. If you're a high school graduate working at a plant cutting wire, sorry, where are you going to go?

If they already offer full coverage they are not going to drop it. The business might as well commit suicide. They only plans that might get dropped are the crap plans that don't actually pay for anything.

 

[PhoenixDark]

This speech is horrible

 

[Cloudy]

Warren is not a politician at all. Her delivery sucks. I believe she'd be a great senator but good luck getting there...

 

[The Technomancer]

This speech is horrible

Eh, its a bit thick on the same rhetorical points over and over but there are some really good grains in there.

 

[Byakuya769]

It's an average speech just like Castro's. You guys have just been so annoyed by the "Warren 2016!!" gang that you now hate anything the lady does.

 

[Cloudy]

It's an average speech just like Castro's. You guys have just been so annoyed by the "Warren 2016!!" gang that you now hate anything the lady does.

A good speech is 50% delivery. She isn't good and is rushing through the applause lines

 

[CharlieDigital]

I dunno man, I think her delivery is powerful in its emotion. You can feel the underlying raw anger in her cadence and mannerisms; I feel it.

 

[Kosmo]

If they already offer full coverage they are not going to drop it. The business might as well commit suicide. They only plans that might get dropped are the crap plans that don't actually pay for anything.

Patently false. A quick example: Say I employ 100 laborers at $20 a hour - about $41K a year. Those employees also cost me around $12K a year for a health plan, the cost of which will only go up. So instead of paying that $12K, I tell my workers this:

"We are electing to have our employees pick a health plan through the exchanges. In addition, we will be upping your pay by $2 an hour, or also giving you $1K a year, (or whatever)."

I'm not going to get into an argument on if PPACA is sustainable - another argument for another day. This just shows you why is makes sense for employers to drop paying for coverage. In this example I have just saved the owner of this company about $1M a year.

Here is an example from Kaiser:

EDIT: Warren talks like a robot.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I likes it

This speech is horrible

Oh come on lol

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Ooh yea Clinton time

You know Clinton loves that he is headlining a night

 

[SirButterstick]

This speech is horrible

No. Just no. Stop the act.

 

[Frank the Great]

bill is such a boss

 

[Cloudy]

Clinton killing it

 

[Chichikov]

I think Clinton just offered the Obamas a threesome.

 

[Chumly]

Patently false. A quick example: Say I employ 100 laborers at $20 a hour - about $41K a year. Those employees also cost me around $12K a year for a health plan, the cost of which will only go up. So instead of paying that $12K, I tell my workers this:

"We are electing to have our employees pick a health plan through the exchanges. In addition, we will be upping your pay by $2 an hour, or also giving you $1K a year, (or whatever)."

I'm not going to get into an argument on if PPACA is sustainable - another argument for another day. This just shows you why is makes sense for employers to drop paying for coverage. In this example I have just saved the owner of this company about $1M a year.

Here is an example from Kaiser:


EDIT: Warren talks like a robot.

Ignoring the fact that not everyone would fall into this category. How would this make it toxic? That people had health coverage? Would they be upset over this?

 

[PhoenixDark]

No. Just no. Stop the act.

So you agree with this guy?
https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/243536888760266752

 

[Clevinger]

So you agree with this guy?
https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/243536888760266752

wow, what a jinx. All you need now is Bill Kristol to weigh in favor.

 

[SirButterstick]

So you agree with this guy?
https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/243536888760266752

Sorry dude, I'm mostly a lurker here, but you just come off as a contrarian troll.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

So you agree with this guy?
https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/243536888760266752

Well, he jinxed with the winning part

 

[Byakuya769]

Sorry dude, I'm mostly a lurker here, but you just come off as a contrarian troll.

Whatever happened to APF?

 

[PhoenixDark]

I'm going to bet the right focuses on Clinton mentioning Bush more than Obama

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I'm going to bet the right focuses on Clinton mentioning Bush more than Obama

What now? wait for speech to be over at least, lol.

 

[sc0la]

Clinton mentioning Bush more than Obama

Naw, too easy

 

[Cloudy]

This is good shit

 

[cartoon_soldier]

So apparently a lot of this is not in his prepared remarks

 

[Dude Abides]

So apparently a lot of this is not in his prepared remarks

Going off script is a Bill staple.

 

[Stinkles]

I'm going to bet the right focuses on Clinton mentioning Bush more than Obama

You must be having complex feelings right about now.

 

[Cloudy]

Christopher Hayes ‏@chrislhayes

Important for Dems to acknowledge and respond to GOP obstruction. This is really the first speech that's doing it.

I agree

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Boy 2 nights in a row...Obama has a tough act to follow

 

[Cloudy]

Oh snap, Reagan's words

 

[Plinko]

So apparently a lot of this is not in his prepared remarks

I have no doubt that if Clinton could run for President right now he'd crush his opponent. The guy is so good.

 

[NullPointer]

Bill Clinton: YOU WILL FEEL IT

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Democrats defense of HCR has been refreshing to see

Unfortunately, networks cut out at 11pm I think

 

[Averon]

Will the GOP love fest of the Clintons continue after tonight?

 

[Chichikov]

The GOP is fucking lucky there's football on.
Edit: Clinton just lives for this shit.