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Did you check the date of that article? It's a year old, brah.
This is amazing
Bah, damned reddit. That's what I get for fucking around over there while tired after work. Wonder why the hell they're posting it now?
Yeah, Palin herself was a trainwreck I remember, but was the rest of the campaign as bad? I really wasn't paying nearly as much attention.
Seriously. That line right there is SO off putting. Then again, it comes from a man who was a CEO of a company who thinks the world should revolve around him. So it's not really surprising.
His handlers and advisers should just lock him in a room for 3 days and coach him on basic speaking skills and not coming off as a complete douche.
It was pretty bad. Like McCain suspending his campaign to pretend he was going to fix the economy. And he had some Romney-esque moments, like when he forgot how many homes he owned.
McCain campaign -
Downsides:
Brutally outspent
Spent too much time on stupid stunts that made them look like idiots
Handily lost every debate
Palin was an insane person
Had to follow extremely unpopular republican president
Had no idea how to handle economic crisis, utterly crushed on this issue
Upsides:
Did actually succeed in getting a convention bounce
Celebrity ad was pretty effective?
Got to coast for a long while while Bams and Hills fought it out
Timing of VP announcement blunted DNC bounce pretty well - actually succeeded in taking the lead
Uh, made effective use of surrogate Joe the Plumber? (yeah I got nothing)
Downsides:
Brutally outspent
Spent too much time on stupid stunts that made them look like idiots
Handily lost every debate
Palin was an insane person
Had to follow extremely unpopular republican president
Had no idea how to handle economic crisis, utterly crushed on this issue
Upsides:
Did actually succeed in getting a convention bounce
Celebrity ad was pretty effective?
Got to coast for a long while while Bams and Hills fought it out
Timing of VP announcement blunted DNC bounce pretty well - actually succeeded in taking the lead
Uh, made effective use of surrogate Joe the Plumber? (yeah I got nothing)
Oh man, reading this thread today is bringing back all the awesome from Fall 08 leading up the election. I'll never forget those few months, so many good memories.
I had to use some google-fu to find this again, but this was my absolute favorite thing leading up to the Biden/Palin debate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/archive/236/news/2008/10/01/debate_training_biden_learns_w_1_9211.html
They got Indiana, Virginia right. They predicted 10 for Colorado when it was 9 and predicted 2 for Florida when it was 2.8. Ohio they predicted 2 when it was 5 for Obama in 2006.
PhoenixDark
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If that PPP poll is accurate and Obama is only losing white voters by 4 points, he'll handily win Ohio. McCain won the white vote by 6 points there
Hah, I forgot about that. Then like two months later he picked Palin and he and every other Republican was like "Palin is a rockstar!!! WOOOOOOO!!!"
Byakuya769
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That is very hard to surpass. The absurdity of that moment was unreal. Haha, and then Obama made him look like a child in the White House meetings with Bush.
Basileus777
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This is still amazing.
ryutaro's mama
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Watching 'Game Change' made that type of stuff even more cringe worthy.
You almost have to feel bad.
Captain Pants
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Aaron Strife
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Obama's up 1 in North Carolina - 49-48.
^^^ Sorry to hear that.
PPP North Carolina
Obama - 49 (+1)
Romney - 48 (-)
As per 538, North Carolina is a VERY inelastic state -- few persuadable/swingable voters -- hence it always being close.
Also, McCain was a far better candidate than Romney, imo. Or maybe not. I don't know what it is, exactly.
I think, if I absolutely HAD to make some kind of comparison, is that McCain was a decent candidate who ran a really poor campaign.
Romney's actual campaign isn't TERRIBLE (although I think it's pretty bad), but I genuinely think Romney is a terrible candidate. He literally has nothing going for him except he was a "businessman" and that he has access to unlimited amounts of SuperPAC money. He has no ideas, no values, no personality, no spine -- he's just an awful candidate.
PPP North Carolina
Obama - 49 (+1)
Romney - 48 (-)
As per 538, North Carolina is a VERY inelastic state -- few persuadable/swingable voters -- hence it always being close.
Also, McCain was a far better candidate than Romney, imo. Or maybe not. I don't know what it is, exactly.
I think, if I absolutely HAD to make some kind of comparison, is that McCain was a decent candidate who ran a really poor campaign.
Romney's actual campaign isn't TERRIBLE (although I think it's pretty bad), but I genuinely think Romney is a terrible candidate. He literally has nothing going for him except he was a "businessman" and that he has access to unlimited amounts of SuperPAC money. He has no ideas, no values, no personality, no spine -- he's just an awful candidate.
No, 2012 will be much saltier.
In 2008, even die-hard conservatives could admit that their party didn't deserve four more years after Bush.
In 2012, we've had four years of the Marxist Kenyan Muslim. Four years of chain emails that a lot of idiots regard as Gospel. You've got crotchety old conservatives sitting at their computers wondering why everyone can't see the same truth that's so obvious to them, thinking that if everyone could just read this email that Cousin Bubba just forwarded, the entire country would be marching on Washington to overthrow this radical anti-American dictator.
So when Obama wins a second term in spite of all the hate, in spite of all the FUD, in spite of all the Rush and all the Hannity and all the "FWD: Obama a Muslim plant?", the saltiness will reach levels that we've never seen before.
If Obama takes North Carolina again, in this political climate, despite all of Romney's money, I don't think I'll be able to contain my laughter.
Which is why it will be AMAZING. I only wish I lived in a small conservative town instead of NYC where everyone is gonna get laid after Obama gets reelected. Wait a minute what am I saying?
eBay Huckster
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You'd best start preparing to laugh.
I think, more than anything, I want Obama to win by a lot to show those fucking Republican billionaires you can't win an election by just buying it.
Is anyone else tired of hearing about these fucking billionaires, because now I have to care about what they do and how they spend their money? Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, etc. Just irritating.
Obama will haunt the Republicans' dreams for an entire generation. I mean North Carolina is one step away from Deep South™.
They couldn't buy a better candidate because nothing better was up for sale.
I never watched Game Change. It's been on my DVR for months. I think I have something to do tonight.
Well I remember in 08 the Obama camp wanted Romney as his opponent over McCain.
This is where living in a deep-blue city in the South pays-off. The entertainment value is supreme here.
While the vast majority of city dwellers will be deliriously happy at Obama being re-elected, complete with fireworks/car horns honking/public dancing/hugging/people generally acting like we've won WW2/etc.. as soon as you step outside of the city limits into the suburbs, it'll be salty, salty bitterness. And the bitterness will be mixed with genuine confusion as to how the socialist got enough votes to win, as most folks out in the southern burbs & rural areas don't know many people who like "that evil man."
The reactions will be gold. Most of them that I know in real life actually think that Obama is absolutely toast. Mind you, this certitude isn't borne of statistical evidence or scholarly analysis, but rather mainly because no one they know likes him. So their utter shock, their horror.. to realize that yes, there is a silent majority that rejects their rednecky thinking? It will be delectable.
Um wow. This was where I was looking to see if a bounce would come out of.
I think it's only one point up from the last PPP poll.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah, Obama's been doing pretty well there. He's got about as much a chance of winning as Romney does.
You're right. I was thinking of other polls (been reading 538)
TacticalFox88
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Not even in 24 hours go by before Mitt Flipped again. How the hell are you this incompetent?! You've been hammered on your flip flops for years and your two months away from a potential presidency and yet you still haven't found anything to stick to your guns with!?
LoftyTheMetroid
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Market forces will provide the best candidate to meet demand.
Obama/DNC raised $114 million in August
Romney/RNC raised $111 million
link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-raises-1116-million-spends-even-more-in
Romney/RNC raised $111 million
link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-raises-1116-million-spends-even-more-in
Aaron Strife
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Thing about NC is that by all measures, it really shouldn't have gone blue in NC. Obama greatly ramped up minority turnout and even then he only barely eked out a win. So it's not very surprising he didn't get a huge bump there, as his path to victory is all about making sure those people who turned out in 08 for the first time turn out this year too.
Nice. Hopefully this stops some of the hand-wringing.786110 said:
Basileus777
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North Carolina isn't very important. If Obama wins it will be an unnecessary addition on the way to a crushing victory in the electoral college.
A crushing victory IS important for down ticket races.
Aaron Strife
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I just want to see Obama run up the score.
Plus there are two Democrats (Kissell, McIntyre) defending tough districts.
Obama should do better in September. The DNC has helped a lot.
Basileus777
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What are the important down ticket races in NC? I'm not familiar with the house races there.
The Librarian
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Mike McIntyre will probably lose re-election. Not that I won't be happy he's gone.
TacticalFox88
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Aaron Strife
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NC-07 (McIntyre) NC-08 (Kissell). They both got hosed in redistricting. Blue dogs, but if it makes the difference between Speaker Pelosi and Speaker Boehner, I'll take it. Otherwise I don't really care. Every other seat is safe dem or safe gop.
There's also the gubernatorial contest between Walter Dalton and Pat McCrory. It's probably McCrory's though, even if Obama does win.
Byakuya769
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I read in another thread that deathbyvolcano (brandnew) got perma'd. This true?
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