RustyNails
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I'll be worried when Ohio falls. So far, it weathered the biggest assault against Obama. Looking good.
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See we have crap like this :
The IBD/TIPP poll is trash
http://news.investors.com/special-re...px?src=HPLNews
The IBD/TIPP poll is trash
http://news.investors.com/special-re...px?src=HPLNews
My father is worried voting for Obama will hurt his small business, but he doesn't want to vote for Romney... but he also wants his vote to count, he is afraid that 40 percent tax rate that would fall on Small Business with the expiration of the Bush Tax cuts....
I'm really not sure what to tell him here.
I'm really not sure what to tell him here.
Half and half
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Just found out my in-laws are having a "voting dilemma" since defense contracting pays the bills and they don't want to see any cuts.
G'damn, don't think they've been paying close attention.
G'damn, don't think they've been paying close attention.
speculawyer
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Who are they to make such demands? That seems odd.
Calling someone Congressman is a slur? How about not making Congress so shitty then? Call him Congressman Ryan the whole time.
You're right. I don't know why I directed that to the people here.
My apologies, gentlmen.
My understanding is, these kinds of terms are part of the formal debate agreement between the two candidates and the debate committee.
Biden should totally do that, what is Ryan going to do? Leave? That'll look good on national TV.
speculawyer
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Was that stuff hashed out months ago? Mmmm, I guess Congress was shitty then too.
Here is what Biden should say:
"Well MISTER Ryan . . . why am I not allowed to refer to you as a Congressman for this debate. Is it because your party has driven approval of Congess to record lows, MISTER Ryan?"
Ahahaha. I'd like to see what they'd do if Biden just called him Congressman all debate. If I was him I'd do it. Let the Romney campaign bitch about it. I don't think the American people are going to buy that complaint.
speculawyer
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Or will he go to the press the next day and cry about how unfair it was to be called "Congressman"? Yeah, go ahead and do that.
RustyNails
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Doesn't matter. The debate moderator will introduce him as congressman
Also just calling him Mr doesn't mean Biden can't use his congressional history.
Also just calling him Mr doesn't mean Biden can't use his congressional history.
Zero Hero
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Yeah, a pity about those 3% of small business owners.
http://www.slate.com/articles/busin...are_not_affected_by_obama_tax_proposals_.html
Taxes are on profits, not total revenue.
He should just use it to fuck with him, get him all riled up. Ryan hasn't exactly come across as a person who is used to being challenged lately.
It's a passive thing, if they call him congressman people will connect him with the current congress almost automatically. If they don't then the connection becomes harder and nowhere near as natural.
PhoenixDark
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The Bush tax cuts expiring for people over $250,000/year income won't impact small businesses...
And it's worth reminding everyone that in terms of the Bush tax cuts, the rate for those making $250k/yr does not apply to their entire income number: it applies to income over $250k/yr. So if you make $260k/yr for instance you would pay the top rate on $10,000.
Sirpopopop
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Chances are his small business is an S-Corp, LLC, etc. As long as it's not a C-Corp, chances are his business will be taxed as if he owns it. So unless his income (not gross) is above I believe $250,000 then he is in good shape, and he wouldn't have to worry too much.
Its all about the ground game.
https://secure.assets.bostatic.com/pdfs/Voter_Reg_and_Early_Voting_FINAL.pdf
https://secure.assets.bostatic.com/pdfs/Voter_Reg_and_Early_Voting_FINAL.pdf
ryutaro's mama
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Depending on where you watch your post debate coverage, you won't have to.
he's not so gifted at it when people know he's a liar. i think the substance of what he has to say will be examined. it'll come down to on-stage personality.
Unlike Mitt Romney, I actually think Paul Ryan really believes what he says.
ryutaro's mama
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Lying is the reason that Romney is in the position he is and why Dems on this board are in the fetal position.
Lying convincingly works.
Unless he has the math skills of a first grader, then I sincerely doubt he believes what he says.
speculawyer
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Well, that is a tricky thing for Ryan. He may end up saying a some stuff that is not the Romney platform but is instead the Ryan platform. But the fact that he doesn't believe some of the Romney stuff and wants to push his own views that he really believes may trip him up. Something may get through the filter.
Those are encouraging figures.
Al-ibn Kermit
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I'm certain that Romney was referred to as "governor" several times during the last debate.
i think it had a lot more to do with stage presence. obama was looking down, stumbling, and speaking pretty slowly versus romney who wasn't doing any of those things. it was the way he spoke, and less about what he was saying.
see also: mccain vs. obama round 1, and kennedy vs. nixon
it's really amazing how spectacular their ground game is; it won't win the election if they tank the next three debates and get a bad jobs report on Nov 2, but it will pad it up if it's a mixed bag for the rest of the election cycle.
He was, but it didn't have the negative connotations that congressman did.
Red Blaster
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Yeah, well, that show sucks.
ryutaro's mama
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I was just asking a Democratic friend about that today.
And to that end, who do you think will have better stage presence tonight?
Wont happen,the jobs report wont do a damn thing.
Fox would still say he won.
Fox would say he was just putting on an act trying to appeal to liberals.
it will if it's combined with three more terrible debate performances
FN headline: "Biden Bullies Ryan, Embarrasses Himself by Apologizing"
Half and half
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There's nothing he can do to lose in the eyes of Republicans. Even if he has to completely fall back on lies, they'll root him on.
Are folks really panicking again?
Man, I go out for a post-dinner, pre-debate walk, and people are really considering panicking again?!
Obama has to be caught in bed with one of Sasha or Malia's classmates for him to lose. Either that, or blow both remaining debates. I know we're inclined to think we're gonna blow it, given the Dems' talent at this, but don't panic until we have a good enough reason.
Man, I go out for a post-dinner, pre-debate walk, and people are really considering panicking again?!
Obama has to be caught in bed with one of Sasha or Malia's classmates for him to lose. Either that, or blow both remaining debates. I know we're inclined to think we're gonna blow it, given the Dems' talent at this, but don't panic until we have a good enough reason.
I still don't see it at all.
ryutaro's mama
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HylianTom and Aaron Strife are so hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh off DAT HOPIUM.
you honestly think anybody would be able to withstand an entire month of the same terrible news cycles, Democrats being as big of whiny bitches as they are whenever the president underperforms and thus amplifying the problem?
I don't think it's likely they will lose the next three debates, but I do think that's the one thing that would be enough to just barely do it for Romney
I need ol' Joe to give me a hit of that tonight.
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