Aaron Strife
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If he did that you would accuse him of caving as soon as he made any concession to the Republicans.
That's exactly what happened with the fiscal cliff agreement.
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That's exactly what happened with the fiscal cliff agreement.
Seems like it would be more practical to wait until the debt ceiling crisis and drag Boehner to the left. He'll need a bunch of Democrats to handle the CR and the debt ceiling. Let's get concessions. The fun part is, the more we get, the more Republicans will pull support, which means more Democrats will be necessary, which means more concessions!
At this point, it's pretty much over for Boehner -- all the establishment GOP supporters want him to go ahead and raise the debt ceiling even though he'll lose his gavel. So there's really nothing stopping him from bringing all kinds of moderate bills to the floor. May as well give him the chance!
empty vessel
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He's not a libertarian. He's just an asshole.
What's the difference?! /obligatoryresponse
Black Mamba
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I sort of saw a little bit of Hannity with Cruz and Lee discussing the gov't shutdown and somehow it got mentioned that should the House pass the CR with defunding the ACA that the Senate and Pres not signing that into law exactly as is would be the most unprecedented act of all time (or something to that effect, I was somewhere and busy talking about something else).
So laughable. The Fox News watchers are getting fed into such a horrible feedback loop. They made it seem like if the House passes this bill that Obama and the Dems would take all the blame for the gov't shutdown. ahaha, poor schmoes.
So laughable. The Fox News watchers are getting fed into such a horrible feedback loop. They made it seem like if the House passes this bill that Obama and the Dems would take all the blame for the gov't shutdown. ahaha, poor schmoes.
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thepotatoman
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It got them the sequester.
We're not talking about preventing frivolous lawsuits when republicans discuss liability/tort reform, though. We're talking about arbitrarily capping compensations for medical malpractice and making professionals less accountable for fuck ups
If a medical professional fucks up, by all means, they and their insurance should be held fully accountable for their mistakes. Someone shouldn't be limited to $250,000 in compensation because of a medical fuck up that leaves them paralyzed (IIRC, most states with hard caps on malpractice suits have it at $250k, $500k, or $750k, regardless of the extent of the damages)
timetokill
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that's not a libertarian, dude
Black Mamba
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just turned 30, i am so old. going to a wedding in tahoe this weekend so i don't even get to be the center of attention. I can't even say "late 20s" anymore. 
just turned 30, i am so old. going to a wedding in tahoe this weekend so i don't even get to be the center of attention. I can't even say "late 20s" anymore.
Wait, you're 30? Dude, your prior posts made it sound like you were in your 40s.
In that case, we're not really that far apart. I'm 28....for one month longer, then I step into the big two-nine.
The Librarian
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Aha. You are so old!just turned 30, i am so old. going to a wedding in tahoe this weekend so i don't even get to be the center of attention. I can't even say "late 20s" anymore.
The Librarian
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Poor Boehner
House Republicans are furious with Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, for conceding that legislation to defund Obamacare would fail in the Senate, and are accusing him of surrendering the fight and undermining their strategy to effectively repeal the Affordable Care Act.
Gee, thanks for the support, Rep. Trey Radel, R-Fla., said Wednesday.
I hope they can be a little bit more optimistic, because what we are doing is what the majority of Americans want, Radel added. If its not a full defunding, it is to, at minimum, delay Obamacare. And right now, instead of talking about how they cant get votes, what I sure would like to see from these good men is them going out and leaning on the [Senate] Democrats to do the right thing.
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Just a few weeks ago, this was deemed impossible," Cruz said in a statement. "We commend House leadership and House Republicans for listening to the people and for taking decisive action to stop Obamacare, the biggest job-killer in America. Harry Reid will no doubt try to strip the defund language from the continuing resolution, and right now he likely has the votes to do so. At that point, House Republicans must stand firm, hold their ground, and continue to listen to the American people.
Gee, thanks for the support, Rep. Trey Radel, R-Fla., said Wednesday.
I hope they can be a little bit more optimistic, because what we are doing is what the majority of Americans want, Radel added. If its not a full defunding, it is to, at minimum, delay Obamacare. And right now, instead of talking about how they cant get votes, what I sure would like to see from these good men is them going out and leaning on the [Senate] Democrats to do the right thing.
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Just a few weeks ago, this was deemed impossible," Cruz said in a statement. "We commend House leadership and House Republicans for listening to the people and for taking decisive action to stop Obamacare, the biggest job-killer in America. Harry Reid will no doubt try to strip the defund language from the continuing resolution, and right now he likely has the votes to do so. At that point, House Republicans must stand firm, hold their ground, and continue to listen to the American people.
It's not everyday that I meet a GAFer who is older than me.just turned 30, i am so old. going to a wedding in tahoe this weekend so i don't even get to be the center of attention. I can't even say "late 20s" anymore.
For example today, is not such day.
Cheer up mate, almost every person I know was happier in their their 30s than in their 20s (myself included, but I spent much of my 20s in the fucking military, so I don't know if it count).
PhoenixDark
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Haha Cruz's shit continues to pile up. After months of bashing republicans for giving up, he is basically admitting he can't do shit in the senate, and demanding the House magically "hold firm" after Reid strips their bullshit out of the CR. People actully believed he had some master plan to turn the tide and get 15+ democrat senators to vote against Obamacare.
The writing is on the wall. If House leadership truly supported this nonsense, Cantor wouldn't have delayed the upcoming recess - which means they can't pass a crazy CR and leave Washington.
Pigeon: I don't think Pelosi will put a price on democrats supporting Boehner. House democrats will ensure the senate CR passes and the next step will be raising the debt ceiling.
The writing is on the wall. If House leadership truly supported this nonsense, Cantor wouldn't have delayed the upcoming recess - which means they can't pass a crazy CR and leave Washington.
Pigeon: I don't think Pelosi will put a price on democrats supporting Boehner. House democrats will ensure the senate CR passes and the next step will be raising the debt ceiling.
I really need to register to vote. De Blasio is that dude.
I loved Josh Marshall's last line on it: "But as the Bible says, the Popcorn shall passeth."
So now that the Republican civil war we predicted last year is well underway, it's worth considering who's winning.
As always, when a political coalition loses control, many of its members are cast into the wilderness, and some don't ever really come back. (For Democrats after 1968, unfortunately, this was organized labor, which will not be a meaningful political force for perhaps decades -- which is just another reason why social programs are the critical next step.)
For the Grand Old Party, some forces are already pretty much done -- I think it's clear, with the continuing advances on gay marriage, marijuana legalization, etc., that the social reactionaries are on their way back to being a powerless Southern rump. There are many more battles to fight, but there's not much question about the war. There's also some sizable evidence post-Syria that the interventionist neocons are losing out. Of course, with both these groups removed as national political pressures, Democratic politicians are free to swing left on both topics as well, so I expect that, as a country, we'll be improving on social values and staying out of international conflicts for quite a while.
The biggest groups remaining for the Republicans, to my view, are libertarians, Randians, and corporatists. If trends continue, I'm starting to wonder whether the constant Silicon Valley conflict between liberalism and libertarianism represents the future of American politics.
As always, when a political coalition loses control, many of its members are cast into the wilderness, and some don't ever really come back. (For Democrats after 1968, unfortunately, this was organized labor, which will not be a meaningful political force for perhaps decades -- which is just another reason why social programs are the critical next step.)
For the Grand Old Party, some forces are already pretty much done -- I think it's clear, with the continuing advances on gay marriage, marijuana legalization, etc., that the social reactionaries are on their way back to being a powerless Southern rump. There are many more battles to fight, but there's not much question about the war. There's also some sizable evidence post-Syria that the interventionist neocons are losing out. Of course, with both these groups removed as national political pressures, Democratic politicians are free to swing left on both topics as well, so I expect that, as a country, we'll be improving on social values and staying out of international conflicts for quite a while.
The biggest groups remaining for the Republicans, to my view, are libertarians, Randians, and corporatists. If trends continue, I'm starting to wonder whether the constant Silicon Valley conflict between liberalism and libertarianism represents the future of American politics.
Cruz already crashing and burning and it isn't even primary time yet. I love it.
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The things you find when you troll RaptureReady...
1 Million Truckers to Protest Obama by Shutting America Down for 3 Days in October
Read more at http://minutemennews.com/2013/09/1-million-truckers-protest-obama-shutting-america-3-days-october/#GkeYokP7jYL4r1Xm.99
Man, I can't even quote anything correctly from that website. Even their scripting is fucked up.
I predict a minor economy boost in the South as fundamentalists stockpile goods and no negative impact when the "1 million trucker protest" turns into a "12 guys who didn't have a run to make those days anyway protest" because everyone else figures out they aren't going to get paid.
PhoenixDark
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Cruz backtracks further
Surrendering and throwing senate republicans under the bush. This guy is very good at making friends.
Honestly, much of the outrage against Cruz seems to be the extremists realizing their anti-Obamacare money train will soon end, but being pissed Cruz is ending it early.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/ted-cruz-government-shutdown-2013_n_3953754.html?1379606850
Surrendering and throwing senate republicans under the bush. This guy is very good at making friends.
Honestly, much of the outrage against Cruz seems to be the extremists realizing their anti-Obamacare money train will soon end, but being pissed Cruz is ending it early.
Cruz is being amazingly optimistic that Republicans will somehow manage to regain the Senate.
Aaron Strife
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Cruz isn't even pretending anymore.
He's on Cruz control.
He's on Cruz control.
Is he? Don't polls have his back on that?
The Librarian
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A creepy "opt-out" Obamacare ad has been making the rounds.
Here's Matt Yglesias, Cohn, and Beutler talking about the same, creepy advertisement.
Edit: And Chait.
Here's Matt Yglesias, Cohn, and Beutler talking about the same, creepy advertisement.
Edit: And Chait.
I doubt that.
12/13 woohoo!
Although I find it equally depressing that I knew most of that crap. I need to find shit to do.
It can be a little soon to draw such conclusions is all I'm saying. We don't even know who is running yet.
...and that puts you in the top 5% of the country as far as being informed goes
(i'm a 1%er , btw, so bow you peasant!)
Sure. I don't dispute that! But for now at least, it does look like Republicans are in a pretty good place to -- if nothing else -- keep their filibuster-capable minority.
Hopefully things will change.
...and that puts you in the top 5% of the country as far as being informed goes
(i'm a 1%er , btw, so bow you peasant!)
Hahaha I did find the percentages pretty staggering, especially the Dow Jones one. You'd literally have to be living under a rock to not know how the stock market's gone the past few years, yet it had one of the worst rates. The only one I got wrong was women in congress, gave us 10% more credit
Hahaha I did find the percentages pretty staggering, especially the Dow Jones one. You'd literally have to be living under a rock to not know how the stock market's gone the past few years, yet it had one of the worst rates. The only one I got wrong was women in congress, gave us 10% more credit
Or watching fox news all day. But, yeah. That one was sort of common sense. The only one I had trouble with was the Yahoo! CEO.
...and that puts you in the top 5% of the country as far as being informed goes
(i'm a 1%er , btw, so bow you peasant!)
Sure. I don't dispute that! But for now at least, it does look like Republicans are in a pretty good place to -- if nothing else -- keep their filibuster-capable minority.
Hopefully things will change.
I sort of feel like it's pointless to even think about that sort of thing until we have actual candidates. In the lead up to 2012 a generic republican always led Obama in polling, but Obama always beat his prospective opponents in said polling.
I just turned 30 too! *hifive*just turned 30, i am so old. going to a wedding in tahoe this weekend so i don't even get to be the center of attention. I can't even say "late 20s" anymore.
Black Mamba
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Haha Cruz is exposed. It's obvious what his game here was. He wanted the house to fold initially so he could blame then for not giving him a chance to right. Instead, boehner got fed up with him and his cohorts in the house and decided to give them what they want which in the end would get them embarrassed. Cruz bluffed and got called of for it and doesn't want to take the blame back home.
I'm starting to think this was partially a power play by boehner. Now, when it fails he will be able to tell his constituents that their way doesn't work. They probably are too stubborn to listen to reason, of course.
I'm starting to think this was partially a power play by boehner. Now, when it fails he will be able to tell his constituents that their way doesn't work. They probably are too stubborn to listen to reason, of course.
Hahaha I did find the percentages pretty staggering, especially the Dow Jones one. You'd literally have to be living under a rock to not know how the stock market's gone the past few years, yet it had one of the worst rates. The only one I got wrong was women in congress, gave us 10% more credit
I didnt know the women in Congress one, so I just guessed the lowest amount and figured I would be correct. Sigh.
But hey, 13/13!
I think what happened was he was born in Canada to American parents, so he could have had dual citizenship since Canada grants it to anyone born in Canada. But he renounced it formally a little while ago, so he is cleared to run if he so desires.
Giant Panda
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Hahaha I did find the percentages pretty staggering, especially the Dow Jones one. You'd literally have to be living under a rock to not know how the stock market's gone the past few years, yet it had one of the worst rates. The only one I got wrong was women in congress, gave us 10% more credit
I got the stock market one wrong. I knew that the market was way up in the last year which narrowed it down to two choices, but I thought the stock market had bottomed out mostly by 2008 so I chose the wrong one. To my credit I didn't start paying attention to the news until 2010 and I did get 11/13 correct.
Edit: how in the hell does 50% of the population not know where Egypt is!
Because he's also a US citizen, so he can run. He'd get absolutely crushed by whoever ran against him, but he could run.
Black Mamba
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This is something old people tell themselves to make them feel better. Since I'm now one of them, I agree with your sentiment.
Fucking hipster teens. Get off my lawn!
Nice. We should go to an early bird special at Denny's before an aarp meeting.
The Librarian
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You guys better have watched that creepy Obamacare commercial.
If that's hipster, then so be it.
Yesterday I bought a Pantex K1000. Gonna start taking photos with film because I'm tired of digital.
If that's hipster, then so be it.
Black Mamba
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Ew technology? How scary.
So according to the ap boehner said no debt limit raise without spending cuts. Obama better hold firm.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/boehner-no-debt-limit-increase-without-cuts
The Librarian
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Ignore election results if you don't like them: https://twitter.com/DavidMDrucker/status/380716980644618240
Oh, I see.
This guy went to Princeton and Harvard...? He acts like a high school dropout half the time... how in the world did he make it through those schools? omg
We're not really old. It's just that your 30's is when you legitimately do start to look, feel and get older at some point... unlike your 20's where you remain forever young. It's a tragic, scary thing.
lol, AARP meetings and Denny's sounds like a grand old time. Nix the AARP, we aren't THAT old yet... nearly halfway there though haha.
Nate's great and all, but that article's two months old. Since then:
* Georgia: the safest Republican candidate, Jack Kingston, still has to get past Gingrey and Broun, who are actually leading the primary polls. Meanwhile, the Democrats got the solid candidate they needed in Michelle Nunn. At the moment Nunn is running even with every GOP candidate: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/08/georgia-senate-starts-as-toss-up.html
* Kentucky: Mitch McConnell does have structural advantages, but he's also being pincered here by a Tea Party primary challenge, and he faces a year of sausage making, as he really has to find some way to get a CR and debt ceiling increase through. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ow-much-trouble-is-mitch-mcconnell-really-in/
And, of course, Nate can only work off of the current data, as he notes. Before Obamacare rolls out, it's really too early to make any real political predictions -- most elections aren't preceded by enormous new social programs. We can't judge much of anything until January or February.
Aaron Strife
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Kentucky.
Also the polling has been fairly positive in states like North Carolina, Louisiana and Alaska. Democrats finally landed a decent candidate in West Virginia and might soon in Montana. Pryor in Arkansas is moneyed and liked, though it'll probably be a close one. South Dakota's a lost cause.
Of the blue states, only Iowa and Michigan would be worth worrying about. And Democrats got their best candidates.
This is perfect. Great opportunity for Obama to propose a replacement for the sequester.
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