• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

PoliGAF 2013 |OT2| Worth 77% of OT1

Status
Not open for further replies.
Fucking shitty to think people who were injured at the Boston Marathon Bombing will have to deal with thousands of dollars in medical costs.

Some 23 million has already been raised for a fund that will help them. $600K has been raised for that guy who IDed the suspect. I think they are OK financially . . . the but loss of limbs can't be fixed.
 
Some 23 million has already been raised for a fund that will help them. $600K has been raised for that guy who IDed the suspect. I think they are OK financially . . . the but loss of limbs can't be fixed.

That's really great that people are getting a charity for the victims, but that doesn't help the millions of other Americans who get struck by a similarly improbable event that leads them owing thousands of dollars in medical costs.

My point was that they shouldn't have to worry about that, and they shouldn't have to rely on some charity to cover their costs.
 

tekumseh

a mass of phermones, hormones and adrenaline just waiting to explode
I wonder how the austerity hounds around the world feel right about now since both of the documents used as the backbone of their policies, the 2010 Reinhart-Rogoff paper, as well as the Alesina-Ardagna study from 2009, have both been eviscerated and essentially shown to be completely inaccurate? I wonder if the EU would like a do over, given the results of their draconian actions in light of this new information? I suspect the people would like to give a little input into this revelation right about now...
 
Some 23 million has already been raised for a fund that will help them. $600K has been raised for that guy who IDed the suspect. I think they are OK financially . . . the but loss of limbs can't be fixed.
What is this communist nonsense. I thought I lived in America.
 
I wonder how the austerity hounds around the world feel right about now since both of the documents used as the backbone of their policies, the 2010 Reinhart-Rogoff paper, as well as the Alesina-Ardagna study from 2009, have both been eviscerated and essentially shown to be completely inaccurate? I wonder if the EU would like a do over, given the results of their draconian actions in light of this new information? I suspect the people would like to give a little input into this revelation right about now...

They've probably dismissed it already. Those that benefit from it already knew it was bullshit. Those that don't have other ways of justifying it.
 

Chichikov

Member
I wonder how the austerity hounds around the world feel right about now since both of the documents used as the backbone of their policies, the 2010 Reinhart-Rogoff paper, as well as the Alesina-Ardagna study from 2009, have both been eviscerated and essentially shown to be completely inaccurate? I wonder if the EU would like a do over, given the results of their draconian actions in light of this new information? I suspect the people would like to give a little input into this revelation right about now...
Those people wanted to cut government services for ideological reasons, they wanted to do it in good times and they want to do it in bad times.
The whole debt hysteria is just because they realized they'll never make the people want to cut government services, so they better scare them into thinking that they must.
 

pigeon

Banned
That's really great that people are getting a charity for the victims, but that doesn't help the millions of other Americans who get struck by a similarly improbable event that leads them owing thousands of dollars in medical costs.

My point was that they shouldn't have to worry about that, and they shouldn't have to rely on some charity to cover their costs.

I know anecdotes are anecdotes, but my friend has no insurance because he works for a small business, and he's been hoarse, tired, coughing for the last three months or so. Can't afford a doctor, so he assumed it'd go away like any cold. Three weeks ago he collapsed on the street, and they took him to the nearby hospital. They put him in observation, gave him saline, and did an x-ray and CT that showed a mass so large that it was pressing on his larynx (causing the hoarseness) and his heart (causing the collapse). They did a biopsy and a bunch of tests, then released him, and a week later told him the results were inconclusive.

He went to another hospital nearby that he had recommended to him, since it's a teaching hospital. They got him on their internal insurance plan and got him in front of a GP. He took one look at the chart and said "Why didn't they diagnose you with lymphoma right away?" Got him a referral to the oncologist. On Monday he saw the oncologist and they immediately checked him into the Critical Cardiac ward! And this is a busy hospital, it's not like they have beds lying around.

He has another biopsy scheduled for today with immediate chemo as soon as they identify the type. The nurse said the tests at the first hospital almost looked purposefully vague, like they didn't want to find something that would make them have to keep him. Course, there's no way to ever prove that. But the difference between the hospital that worried about money and the hospital that didn't was pretty dramatic. Lymphoma's the kind of disease where early identification and treatment is crucial, so the week that was lost is potentially a big deal, not to mention the three months where he didn't see a doctor because he can't afford non-catastrophic care.

The moral of the story is that Obamacare really would have made a big difference here, because he'd have had subsidies and a basic insurance plan. Also, small businesses are murderers.
 
I wonder how the austerity hounds around the world feel right about now since both of the documents used as the backbone of their policies, the 2010 Reinhart-Rogoff paper, as well as the Alesina-Ardagna study from 2009, have both been eviscerated and essentially shown to be completely inaccurate? I wonder if the EU would like a do over, given the results of their draconian actions in light of this new information? I suspect the people would like to give a little input into this revelation right about now...

If various European countries reverse those policies and start experiencing growth (I have no idea if that could or would happen) then what happens?

If austerity as a policy becomes 'proven wrong', the right is going to be in tatters. They are currently getting destroyed in the culture wars where gay marriage has now become a wedge issue for the left. Abortion is still pretty borderline but although many people do want some restrictions but the outright ban on abortions pushed by the right is clearly minority view.

The right has been able to limp along with their social policies losing by pushing their economic policies as supposedly being better. But if those economic policies were proven to be bad . . . the right will be kinda nuked.

Again, I have no idea if their economic views are wrong though. Clearly the far-left communist style economics are bad but austerity pushed by the right might also be terrible for the vast majority of people.
 

Novid

Banned
I wonder how the austerity hounds around the world feel right about now since both of the documents used as the backbone of their policies, the 2010 Reinhart-Rogoff paper, as well as the Alesina-Ardagna study from 2009, have both been eviscerated and essentially shown to be completely inaccurate? I wonder if the EU would like a do over, given the results of their draconian actions in light of this new information? I suspect the people would like to give a little input into this revelation right about now...

they been knew the latter one was inaccurate and the other one the Troika Vampi Bund and her pretty boi's were too far up Greek's behind to even care. Nobody uses Excel for something that LARGE. Governments uses whole different programs for finance.
 

Novid

Banned
If various European countries reverse those policies and start experiencing growth (I have no idea if that could or would happen) then what happens?

If austerity as a policy becomes 'proven wrong', the right is going to be in tatters. They are currently getting destroyed in the culture wars where gay marriage has now become a wedge issue for the left. Abortion is still pretty borderline but although many people do want some restrictions but the outright ban on abortions pushed by the right is clearly minority view.

The right has been able to limp along with their social policies losing by pushing their economic policies as supposedly being better. But if those economic policies were proven to be bad . . . the right will be kinda nuked.

Again, I have no idea if their economic views are wrong though. Clearly the far-left communist style economics are bad but austerity pushed by the right might also be terrible for the vast majority of people.

The right is being Nuked regardless what happens. They only places they have won are the gun debate and the Poverty issue.
 
What is this communist nonsense. I thought I lived in America.

This isn't communist, it's American! Don't you see? Healthcare provided to the needy by churches and charity is how it's supposed to work. Americans step up to help each other! Keep government out of it! This obviously demonstrates how the liberals pushing their welfare state agenda are out of touch with real America and really just care about getting people hooked on spending.
 
Nice article in the wsj about how Spain is giving up austerity. Shocking that politicians are doing something right!

? I read elpais, nothing I've read says they are "giving up on austerity" there's no Stimulus and in fact they are raising taxes again.

Link to the wsj article?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Anyway, for those of you that need a laugh Louie Gohmert is here and he's spewing stupid all over the place.

"It's very clear to everybody but this administration that radical Islam is at war against us," Gohmert told WND Radio. "And I’m hoping either this administration will wake up or a new one will come in at the next election before irreparable damage is done. Because radical Islam is at war with us. Thank God for the moderates who don't approve of what's being done. But this administration has so many Muslim Brotherhood members that have influence that they just are making wrong decisions for America.”

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gohmert-muslim-brotherhood-members-in-obama-administration-are

Yes yes TPM, sue me. I am actually shocked that Louie here has gone so crazy that he thinks the Obama Administration has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. The craziest part is that he isn't even talking about Obama himself.

Of course Bachman has previously climbed to this peak on Dumbfuck Mountain last summer, but I'm a little shocked anyone actually followed her up.
 
Anyway, for those of you that need a laugh Louie Gohmert is here and he's spewing stupid all over the place.



http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gohmert-muslim-brotherhood-members-in-obama-administration-are

Yes yes TPM, sue me. I am actually shocked that Louie here has gone so crazy that he thinks the Obama Administration has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. The craziest part is that he isn't even talking about Obama himself.

Of course Bachman has previously climbed to this peak on Dumbfuck Mountain last summer, but I'm a little shocked anyone actually followed her up.

WND Radio? Well, what a great addition to the media. I'm guessing it resides in the thought-space between Alex Jones and Fox News.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
WND Radio? Well, what a great addition to the media. I'm guessing it resides in the thought-space between Alex Jones and Fox News.

Oh man, go to their site, it's straight up conspiracy shit. They take the Fox News crap, throw on some Alex Jones and stir well.

Lemme give you guys a little taste of the crazy:

Two Democrats in Indiana have been found guilty of submitting unauthorized names on the petition that placed then-Sen. Barack Obama on the 2008 presidential election primary ballot, meaning he likely did not qualify.

Fox News reports the jury in South Bend found guilty on all counts former longtime St. Joseph County Democratic Party chairman Butch Morgan Jr. and former county Board of Elections worker Dustin Blythe.

The article is titled, and I shit you not, Jury: Fraud put Obama on '08 ballot. The comments are all golden, I swear to god it's some Onion style shit.
 
Anyway, for those of you that need a laugh Louie Gohmert is here and he's spewing stupid all over the place.



http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gohmert-muslim-brotherhood-members-in-obama-administration-are

Yes yes TPM, sue me. I am actually shocked that Louie here has gone so crazy that he thinks the Obama Administration has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. The craziest part is that he isn't even talking about Obama himself.

Of course Bachman has previously climbed to this peak on Dumbfuck Mountain last summer, but I'm a little shocked anyone actually followed her up.
I'm going to sue for all you're worth. Trust me.
 
Folks, I was thinking about how none of us have ever met each other, and then I saw this great ad for an event thats perfect for poligaf.

A place where smart people come together to discuss politics and learn, featuring some of the smartest minds in the country.

How many of you will be there?

It will be amazing
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
I wonder how the austerity hounds around the world feel right about now since both of the documents used as the backbone of their policies, the 2010 Reinhart-Rogoff paper, as well as the Alesina-Ardagna study from 2009, have both been eviscerated and essentially shown to be completely inaccurate? I wonder if the EU would like a do over, given the results of their draconian actions in light of this new information? I suspect the people would like to give a little input into this revelation right about now...

I'm sure this revelation has caused Paul Ryan to throw his budget in the paper shredder.

You have to realize that research that benefits right wing ideology is a luxury, not a requirement for right wingers.

I actually haven't heard any excuses so far, but it doesn't matter a lick to these people.

Anyway, for those of you that need a laugh Louie Gohmert is here and he's spewing stupid all over the place.



http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gohmert-muslim-brotherhood-members-in-obama-administration-are

Yes yes TPM, sue me. I am actually shocked that Louie here has gone so crazy that he thinks the Obama Administration has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood. The craziest part is that he isn't even talking about Obama himself.

Of course Bachman has previously climbed to this peak on Dumbfuck Mountain last summer, but I'm a little shocked anyone actually followed her up.

If anyone can compete with Bachmann on dumbassery, it's Louis Gohmert.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I'm going to sue for all you're worth. Trust me.

That ain't a whole lot Dax, it ain't much at all.

Folks, I was thinking about how none of us have ever met each other, and then I saw this great ad for an event thats perfect for poligaf.

A place where smart people come together to discuss politics and learn, featuring some of the smartest minds in the country.

How many of you will be there?

It will be amazing

I don't have suicidal tendencies, or any money with which to make such a trip. Hell if I had the money to go to something out of state I'd go to that Wonkblog debate Dax posted about earlier.
 

Averon

Member
Austerity has been a huge failure in Europe so far. Yet many in the US are hellbent on instituting it here. Insanity.
 
Austerity has been a huge failure in Europe so far. Yet many in the US are hellbent on instituting it here. Insanity.

I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the GOP don't even realize that Europe HAS imposed austerity/the cuts their proposing and simply think it's the beacon of "liberalism".
 

Averon

Member
The whole thing with the FAA cuts shows the GOP isn't even serious about austerity. You see how the GOP quickly changed course when the pain the sequester inflicted on the FAA, and by extension air travel, reared its head.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of the GOP don't even realize that Europe HAS imposed austerity/the cuts their proposing and simply think it's the beacon of "liberalism".

Clearly austerity is the only thing keeping Europe from being a giant pit straight to hell.
 
Some 80 million people, around 43% of America's working-age adults, didn't go to the doctor or access other medical services last year because of the cost, according to the Commonwealth Fund's Biennial Health Insurance Survey, released Friday. That's up from 75 million people two years ago and 63 million in 2003.

Not surprisingly, those who were uninsured or had inadequate health insurance were most likely to have trouble affording care. But 28% of working-age adults with good insurance also had to forgo treatment because of the price.

Nearly three in 10 adults said they did not visit a doctor or clinic when they had a medical problem, while more than a quarter did not fill a prescription or skipped recommended tests, treatment or follow-up visits. One in five said they did not get needed specialist care.
And 28% of those with a chronic condition like hypertension, diabetes, heart disease and asthma who needed medication for it reported they did not fill prescriptions or skipped doses because they couldn't afford to pay for the drugs.


Even those with coverage find themselves shelling out more for deductibles and co-payments. The share of Americans with deductibles greater than $1,000 more than tripled between 2003 and 2012, reaching 25%.

"Costs of health care have gone up faster than wages," said David Blumenthal, president of The Commonwealth Fund.

The survey also found that 84 million people, nearly half of all working-age adults, went without health insurance for a time last year or had such high out-of-pocket expenses relative to their income that they were considered under-insured. That's up from 81 million in 2010 and 61 million in 2003.

One bright spot in the report is that fewer young adults, those ages 19 to 25, were uninsured. The share fell to 41% in 2012, down from 48% two years earlier. That's due in large part to the Affordable Care Act, which allows young adults to stay on their parents insurance until age 26.

All of those numbers should improve going forward as more health reform provisions take effect in 2014 -- primarily the state-based insurance exchanges, which are intended to offer affordable plans to those without work-based coverage.

The Affordable Care Act, better known as Obamacare, will provide more coverage and cost protections, said Sara Collins, the study's lead author. Insurance plans offered through the state exchanges have to cover a suite of "essential" benefits, including maternity care and mental health services. They also limit the insured's out-of-pocket payments to no more than 40% of expenses.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/26/news/economy/health-care-cost/index.html

Pathetic for our country.
 
Wait a minute, I thought the Euro zone actually did have a serious debt problem since each country doesn't control the source of its money?
 
“There were numerous Republicans that voted against the sequestration because we knew all of these calamities were in the future. And so it reminds me of the Shakespeare line: ‘Thou protestest too much.’”

Okay Poli-GAF, name that House Representative who said this today. No cheating!
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
I would guess Bachmann as well, but I'm not sure she's even familiar enough with Shakespeare to know a line to screw up.
 
Besides the attempt at blaming the sequester on Dems, please tell me where to find the Shakespeare line, "thou protestest too much."

I was referring to that line and the protestesth too much part.

the line is "doth protest too much" I don't really think the thou for doth is a big deal, her trying to sound fancy and screw up grammar with protestesth is though.
 
Gotta be the queen of crazy. It sounds like she climbed to a new peak on Dumbfuck Mountain. Where she keeps finding them I will never know.

winner winner. Michelle Bachman it is.

And yes, the line is wrong. It's "The lady doth protests too much, me thinks."

She managed to screw up 3 ways.

1. The line.
2. protestest is fucking stupid. Sounds like someone trying to pretend they know shakespare by adding "est" to every word. Like someone saying "thou willest doest thy biddingest"
3. The meaning of the word "protest" is different in Hamlet than modern day usage. It means "promise." Her usage is nonsensical in context since she's using the modern day definition.
 
winner winner. Michelle Bachman it is.

And yes, the line is wrong. It's "The lady doth protests too much, me thinks."

She managed to screw up 3 ways.

1. The line.
2. protestest is fucking stupid. Sounds like someone trying to pretend they know shakespare by adding "est" to every word. Like someone saying "thou willest doest thy biddingest"
3. The meaning of the word "protest" is different in Hamlet than modern day usage. It means "promise." Her usage is nonsensical in context since she's using the modern day definition.

No wonder congress can't get shit done. We have a bunch of idiots in office.
 

Cat

Member
Hey PoliGAF, I'm still a junior so can't make topics, but one of my Facebook friends linked this blog article, and I thought it had some merit. Since this is the politics topic, I'll try to focus on that, but it's also commentary on media and coverage of current events.

http://www.shakesville.com/2013/04/why-isnt-there-more-media-coverage-of.html

Why Isn't There More Media Coverage of the West Explosion?

...

1) West is about the greed of capitalism and we just don't have a good narrative in this country to talk about that. If we want to seriously talk about what happened in West, we have to talk about a lot of things people just don't want to discuss: de-regulation of industry, failure of oversight, workplace safety (again, Mike Elk is amazing on this particular issue). All of these topics are part of our country's current and on-going obsession with "free market labor practices" that leave much of regulation, oversight, and workplace safety to the owners of these plants, the very people who make more money when they walk the dangerous line between profit and explosion. For example, we'd have to admit openly that 13 people die on the job every day in the US and that most of those deaths go unnoticed and, in fact, are seen as collateral of an otherwise successful industrial, political, and economic systemic.

...

Why do we find creating pressure-cooker bombs in our house and planting them in a crowd unimaginable but stockpiling the very chemical that blew up the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and not answering for that even when federal agencies said you needed to shrug-worthy?

How did we get these priorities?

WHY ARE WE FOCUSING ON THE CASE THAT PROBABLY ISN'T NEARLY AS PREVENTABLE?
I want to yell that loudly through a megaphone on air at MSNBC all day tomorrow.

...

As soon as a preventable fatal disaster happens here in Texas, there is a nod to the casualties and then a shrug, writing us off as deserving fools who asked for this when we went (or did not go) to the ballot box. That becomes the SINGLE cause of this disaster, one that could have been prevented if us in Texas didn't live up to the low expectations of liberals in the rest of the country.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Hey PoliGAF, I'm still a junior so can't make topics, but one of my Facebook friends linked this blog article, and I thought it had some merit. Since this is the politics topic, I'll try to focus on that, but it's also commentary on media and coverage of current events.

http://www.shakesville.com/2013/04/why-isnt-there-more-media-coverage-of.html

I read it, and I disagree with it. A terrorist attack in a major city is always going to be bigger news than an industrial accident in a smaller town. I feel like the blogger's second point doesn't take news judgement into account. Yes more people died in Texas, yes it could have been prevented but the simple fact is that the story in Boston affected or will affect more people in the long run. Something like Boston was a national story, it will have national ramifications; while as horrible as the events in Texas were, it's a local story. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's in Texas, or in a rural area. Coverage would have been the same if it had been in Kentucky or Upstate New York.

In the case of Texas Explosion vs Boston Bombing it came down to a local vs national story. In that case you will always go with national. Had the fertilizer plant exploded in Upstate NY or a rural part of Mass. and the terrorist attack occurred in Austin or Huston (godforbid either one) the exact same thing would have happened. Everyone would have flocked to the national story, not the local one. It's that simple.
 
Didn't see this posted anywhere

Newsweek –What BP Doesn’t Want You to Know About the 2010 Gulf Spill

The chief instrument of BP’s cover-up was the same substance that apparently sickened Jamie Griffin and countless other cleanup workers and local residents. Its brand name is Corexit, but most news reports at the time referred to it simply as a “dispersant.” Its function was to attach itself to leaked oil, break it into droplets, and disperse them into the vast reaches of the gulf, thereby keeping the oil from reaching Gulf Coast shorelines. And the Corexit did largely achieve this goal.


But the 1.84 million gallons of Corexit that BP applied during the cleanup also served a public-relations purpose: they made the oil spill all but disappear, at least from TV screens. By late July 2010, the Associated Press and The New York Times were questioning whether the spill had been such a big deal after all. Time went so far as to assert that right-wing talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh “has a point” when he accused journalists and environmentalists of exaggerating the crisis.


But BP had a problem: it had lied about how safe Corexit is, and proof of its dishonesty would eventually fall into the hands of the Government Accountability Project, the premiere whistleblower-protection group in the U.S. The proof? A technical manual BP had received from NALCO, the firm that supplied the Corexit that BP used in the gulf.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Representatives are like assholes. Everyone's got one and they all stink.

Except for the ones that are cleaned regularly i guess.

Honestly mine is just sort of there, he always seems to win reelection but no one really knows who he is. I actually don't know who he is and I know who my state senator is. I'm a little disturbed by this, I think my representative in the US House is invisible or imaginary.
 

KtSlime

Member
B-Dubs: I am not sure I quite understand. Isn't one story National and the other local simply due to how the stories are framed by the media? Neither event had any tangible effect on my and most other US citizens lives (at least not yet). I don't have the statistics, so I'm simply making this up, but my gut tells me that I am much more likely to get a job in a factory that is poorly regulated and will die there than in a terrorist attack. That makes the 'local' story more relevant to me, and many others than the other one.

I think coverage of stories has more to do with the goals of the media than their proximity to the viewer. 'Dumb MUSLIM Kid Bombs Marathon' is a pretty easy story, and doesn't conflict with any of our long held beliefs, instead it plays right along with the rest of the propaganda we are fed. It's also a sexy story, who doesn't like getting their hate on.

Fake edit: I have not read Cat's article yet.
 
Vice tonight is amazing.

The did a segment on One Child and how its affecting the country. Wow, a shit storm is going to hit bejing.

Now they're doing a segment on Spain and they are interviewing rogoff hahaha
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom