I always view green as more as modern liberalism. In which while there is a focus on government it is mostly on offering welfare programs and reducing inequality. Red is more so changing the workplace and ownership.
Green leftism would focus on expanding welfare programs as a priority.
Red would focus on strengthening unions and having more cooperatives as well as nationalizing industries.
In other words: Switzerland is green. Venezuela is red.
Messy comparison but that's how I see it. I hope it makes sense. I will agree that the Occupy movement, especially its roots weren't very green.
First, I don't identify as green, but I find your discussion interesting. I agree that currently the left in America consists of socialist messages, green messages, and liberal messages. and I agree with the idea that occupy was not Green.
With regards to green...I suppose. I think that there's a not insignificant amount of liberals who don't give a shit about issues associated with greens, but I can basically agree with what you're saying. With exception to that
mayor I mentioned from a long time ago, I don't see much radicalism from green politics. Besides the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement.
I see the primary face of the green as what you're saying - modern liberalism, and someone like Al Gore, who places most of his faith in "market" solutions for environmental problems. I think there's an assumption with some liberals and greens that capitalism and liberal democracy will suffice to address future environmental issues, though I think this often manifests through "greenwashing." It kills me to not remember the name, but there's this rating agency that evaluates a business's compliance with fossil fuel consumption standards or something, and I remember thinking it was bogus.
At the level of the establishment it's just often the case that the message gets diluted, so on some level the green and red do have some things in common (watering down solutions for problems either side presents.) At least with the Green Party in the US, they are harsh with corporate influence over government, and have very negative opinions of big banks. But yes, greens are linked to peace movements, most of them struggle to reject gun control, are socially progressive. I don't know if they've put forth solutions for problems regarding labor, I'm not sure if green movements are interested in changes in the political (American liberal democracy, neocolonialism) or economic (somewhat mixed yet still unregulated capitalism, corporate welfare) fundamentals of society.
Red I'm a lot less familiar with.
There's also the abandoned stepchid, Black. But who knows what the hell Black is up to. They're fundamentally radical, and I suppose they throw a good party.
