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[cartoon_soldier]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...-liz-and-mary-cheney-compassion-is-called-for

"She has also always treated her sister and her sister's family with love and respect, exactly as she should have done. Compassion is called for, even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and Liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position.

Liz's many kindnesses? WTF

 

[ivysaur12]

I made a thread about the 10th anniversary of gay marriage in America. No one posted in it (sad face) but thought some of the articles PoliGAF might find interesting. The Harvard Gazette did an interview with the author of the opinion:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=718370

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...-liz-and-mary-cheney-compassion-is-called-for



Liz's many kindnesses? WTF

I now want Liz Cheney to detail her kindnesses. She's already proven to be Sibling of the Year.

 

[PhoenixDark]

If only he weren't so old...

I think this about Jerry Brown often.

 

[Wilsongt]

NeoGAF's new servers must be the same Healthcare.gov is running on.

Edit: Uh oh! Obama has lost Kanye. Bad news for Kay Hagen.

 

[cooljeanius]

NeoGAF's new servers must be the same Healthcare.gov is running on.

Yeah, having to deal with NeoGAF's constant server outages made me wonder what the big deal was with healthcare.gov crashing... Don't people realize that websites failing is a normal part of the Internet?

Edit: Uh oh! Obama has lost Kanye.

I thought that had happened back when he called him a jackass...

 

[Diablos]

Kanye is one of the most overrated artists of all time.

Spoiler

Like Eminem

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The author, a former rock drummer who opened for "Steppenwolf," is a professor of history at the University of Dayton. In addition to some of the books mentioned here, he has authored over 50 academic articles, dozens of book reviews, and has been a regular guest on "Fox and Friends."

This made me laugh. Its an author blurb for some conservative book

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

I think this about Jerry Brown often.

4th time is the charm

 

[WayneMorse]

I think this about Jerry Brown often.

Why would you want Jerry Brown to run? In all of the times he's run he's placed himself to the right of the mainstream candidates in the primary. For example, in 1980 he opposed both Kennedy's health care plan (single payer) and Carter's healthcare plan (proto-Obamacare), and in 1992 he ran on a flat tax and supported term limits.

 

[cooljeanius]

No one's required to post on NeoGAF, though.

No one has to use healthcare.gov to buy their health care, either, though. There are phone numbers and in-person locations available.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Why would want Jerry Brown to run? In all of the times he's run he's placed himself to the right of most of the candidates. For example, in 1980 he opposed both Kennedy's health care plan (single payer) and Carter's healthcare plan (proto-Obamacare), and in 1992 he ran on a flat tax and supported term limits.

You realize it's 2013 right now, the democrat party has shifted more to the left, and he is currently doing quite on a variety of left fronts in California. Not sure he'd win (if he was younger), but he could be a good VP. My only concern is that DC wouldn't be as "easy" as California in terms of super majorities, so how would he work with republicans in this era.

 

[Black Mamba]

Why would you want Jerry Brown to run? In all of the times he's run he's placed himself to the right of the mainstream candidates in the primary. For example, in 1980 he opposed both Kennedy's health care plan (single payer) and Carter's healthcare plan (proto-Obamacare), and in 1992 he ran on a flat tax and supported term limits.

You're talking to someone who voted for Rick Snyder.

 

[sc0la]

I made a thread about the 10th anniversary of gay marriage in America. No one posted in it (sad face) but thought some of the articles PoliGAF might find interesting. The Harvard Gazette did an interview with the author of the opinion:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=718370




I now want Liz Cheney to detail her kindnesses. She's already proven to be Sibling of the Year.

Should have titled it "10th anniversary of the death of traditional marraige" you might have got some bites.

Liz Cheney sounds like an awful sibling.

 

[ivysaur12]

Did we ever figure out what the many kindnesses of Liz Cheney are?

 

[theprodigy]

NeoGAF's new servers must be the same Healthcare.gov is running on.

Edit: Uh oh! Obama has lost Kanye. Bad news for Kay Hagen.

come on, you didn't even spell it right!

 

[cooljeanius]

Why would you want Jerry Brown to run? In all of the times he's run he's placed himself to the right of the mainstream candidates in the primary. For example, in 1980 he opposed both Kennedy's health care plan (single payer) and Carter's healthcare plan (proto-Obamacare), and in 1992 he ran on a flat tax and supported term limits.

You realize it's 2013 right now, the democrat party has shifted more to the left,

wat.
In the post you are responding to, the Carter healthcare plan, which was farther to the right, is what mainstream Democrats mostly support nowadays in the form of Obamacare, and even that was a fight. How can you look at that and say that the Democratic Party has moved farther to the left?

 

[WayneMorse]

You realize it's 2013 right now, the democrat party has shifted more to the left, and he is currently doing quite on a variety of left fronts in California. Not sure he'd win (if he was younger), but he could be a good VP. My only concern is that DC wouldn't be as "easy" as California in terms of super majorities, so how would he work with republicans in this era.

The Democratic Party was a lot farther to the left in 1980 than it is today, the liberal/social democrats still dominated Congress, and it was the poor relations between the moderate Carter and the liberals in Congress like Kennedy that brought down his administration.

 

[eBay Huckster]

You realize it's 2013 right now, the democrat party has shifted more to the left

In what universe have they "shifted more to the left" relative to Jerry Brown's first run?

 

[theprodigy]

In what universe have they "shifted more to the left" relative to Jerry Brown's first run?

in PDLand, where Rick Snyder is given a chance

 

[RustyNails]

You're talking to someone who voted for Rick Snyder.

:lol

 

[bonercop]

warren = ultra triple god-tier senator confirmed:

“The most recent discussion about cutting benefits has focused on something called the Chained-CPI. Supporters of the chained CPI say that it’s a more accurate way of measuring cost of living increases for seniors. That statement is simply not true. Chained CPI falls short of the actual increases in costs that seniors face, pure and simple. Chained CPI? It’s just a fancy way of saying cut benefits.

“The Bureau of Labor Statistics has developed a measure of the impact of inflation on seniors. It’s called the CPI-E, and, if we adopted it today, it would generally increase benefits for our retirees — not cut them.

“Social Security isn’t the answer to all of our retirement problems. We need to find ways to tackle the financial squeeze that is crushing our families. We need to help families start saving again. We need to make sure that more workers have access to better pensions. But in the meantime – so long as these problems continue to exist and so long as we are in the midst of a real and growing retirement crisis – a crisis that is shaking the foundations of what was once a vibrant and secure middle class – the absolute last thing we should be doing is talking about cutting back on Social Security.

so glad someone with her name-recognition is bringing the fight to chained-CPI bs.

 

[Aylinato]

You're talking to someone who voted for Rick Snyder.

Hhhahahhahaha....except I'm stuck in the state right now, so it's not funny in reality.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Insert pithy comment about PD voting for Rick Snyder

 

[WayneMorse]

warren = ultra triple god-tier senator confirmed:


so glad someone with her name-recognition is bringing the fight to chained-CPI bs.

She should run for President. In the link I posted earlier about Bernie Sanders running it was basically a nod by him to Warren that she should run.

Even if she doesn't beat Hillary she can still bring issues like single payer health care and financial regulations into the conversation.

 

[theprodigy]

Insert pithy comment about PD voting for Rick Snyder

you are so, so late my friend

 

[PhoenixDark]

In what universe have they "shifted more to the left" relative to Jerry Brown's first run?

The party is more liberal now than it was then on a variety of issues, from social issues to foreign policy*. Or are we going to pretend like Jerry Brown 2013 is less liberal than 1992 Jerry Brown?

*obviously the Obama administration is not left wing on foreign policy. In the late 80s/early 90s many "mainstream" democrats were playing catch up with Reagan on defense.

 

[Aaron Strife]

you are so, so late my friend

I just wanted to put in a word

 

[Piecake]

Pretty cool gif showing just how much mass transit reduces congestion.

For cities struggling to fund mass transit, they should just make a bunch of ads out of this and say "want less congestion and shorter commutes? Support mass transit"

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

Pretty cool gif showing just how much mass transit reduces congestion.

For cities struggling to fund mass transit, they should just make a bunch of ads out of this and say "want less congestion and shorter commutes? Support mass transit"

then you'll have the opponents of mass transit using the recent bay area shutdown as a counterexample.

"want to put your financial stability in the hands of a few hundreds who could stop it on their whim?"

 

[Piecake]

then you'll have the opponents of mass transit using the recent bay area shutdown as a counterexample.

"want to put your financial stability in the hands of a few hundreds who could stop it on their whim?"

google's self driving system for mass transit.

Either that, or we could actually pay people a decent wage.

 

[B-Dubs]

then you'll have the opponents of mass transit using the recent bay area shutdown as a counterexample.

"want to put your financial stability in the hands of a few hundreds who could stop it on their whim?"

Actually paying people a decent wage would stop that from happening.

 

[Diablos]

There are plenty of issues where Dems have shifted to the left -- e.g., same-sex marriage (& related issues), marijuana legalization.

Isn't legalizing marijuana more of a vintage libertarian thang?

just sayin'.

 

[JesseEwiak]

There are plenty of issues where Dems have shifted to the left -- e.g., same-sex marriage (& related issues), marijuana legalization.

On economics though, they've shifted to the right. The fact that Obama is passing Dole/Nixon legislation and it's (rightly) praised by liberals tells you something.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

google's self driving system for mass transit.

Either that, or we could actually pay people a decent wage.

umm, the SF workers were making decent wages...tehy were making in the 70ks and 80ks. average. that's not even counting the retirement benefits and stuff

or is your idea of "decent' meaning everyone, should be making 6 figures?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Pretty cool gif showing just how much mass transit reduces congestion.

For cities struggling to fund mass transit, they should just make a bunch of ads out of this and say "want less congestion and shorter commutes? Support mass transit"

Reminds me of this:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-98-percent-of-us-commuters-favor-public-tra,1434/

And sure, although not all cars are single-passenger. Plus, public transportation does not usually fund itself-- essentially you would have taxpayers paying for others not to drive (worth it, I think, but not a slam-dunk).

 

[NYCmetsfan]

On economics though, they've shifted to the right. The fact that Obama is passing Dole/Nixon legislation and it's (rightly) praised by liberals tells you something.

They've shifted back leftward ever so slightly, I wouldn't say to the left, relative to clinton. They passed regulations rather than deregulations

 

[Diablos]

LBJ was the last truly liberal President we had, too bad he was also a war-mongering asshole.

Also Carter gets way too much hate. It's sad.

 

[Piecake]

umm, the SF workers were making decent wages...tehy were making in the 70ks and 80ks. average. that's not even counting the retirement benefits and stuff

or is your idea of "decent' meaning everyone, should be making 6 figures?

Guess they do make pretty high wages. Still, that seems like an incredibly stupid argument against public transportation. The benefits far outway the slim possibility of the workers going on strike, and like I said, those jobs seem ripe for google's self-drive technology in 10-20 or whatever years

 

[NYCmetsfan]

40% (!) percent of American workers make less than $20,000.

This is going to keep getting worse. And we in 20-30 years are gonna look back and wonder how we got here.

 

[Aylinato]

LBJ was the last truly liberal President we had, too bad he was also a war-mongering asshole.

Also Carter gets way too much hate. It's sad.

Yeah, he also was a master at getting programs he wanted passed, and all of his great society programs had beneficial consequences that have helped many people get out of poverty. However since Reagan they have been tearing down many of the programs and destroying the ability of poor people to escape perpetual poverty.

He didn't really care for the war, but he obviously didn't have the motivation to end it either.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

How much time till this goes through the typical #scandal cycle?

 

[WayneMorse]

LBJ was the last truly liberal President we had, too bad he was also a war-mongering asshole.

Also Carter gets way too much hate. It's sad.

LBJ was pretty much forced into the war by his advisers, but what's worse is that if you listen to his old White House recordings they all knew that escalating the war would lead to another debacle like Korea.

It's a damn shame that he decided to escalate the war too, because if he hadn't and focused on the Great Society instead we would probably still be living in a country dominated by the left and social democracy.

 

[Aylinato]

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

How much time till this goes through the typical #scandal cycle?

Sounds like a dude who wasn't at his numbers decided instead of just doing the work decided to make up whatever he found.

However the hyperbole of saying the entire unemployment rate is a shame is laughable based off one employee. I need way more evidence than one employee.

 

[WayneMorse]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-announces-more-administration-nominations

Speaking of the Great Society, Obama just announced his nominees for the Endowment for Arts and Humanities.

It's a shame these programs have been gutted over the past 32 years, because they're really beneficial to society, and it's a damn shame the Christian right forced the organization to stop funding individual artists.

 

[GhaleonEB]

40% (!) percent of American workers make less than $20,000.

This is going to keep getting worse. And we in 20-30 years are gonna look back and wonder how we got here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...t_is_raising_money_for_its_own_employees.html

Here's a shocking image brought to us by Scott Keyes. Walmart is organizing a food drive to deliver food to its own needy employees:

I won't comment on the specific corporate politics here, but that's about as solid an indicator you could imagine of the economywide problem that economywide wages are too low. Look at it from Walmart's perspective? Suppose low-skilled workers in this country on the whole made somewhat more money. What would they do? Well as Walmart indicates with this sign, one thing they'd do is buy more groceries. And where would they buy the groceries? Well, many of them would buy them at Walmart—America's leading grocer.

Of course any particular company can improve its own bottom line by cutting compensation to the bone. But corporate America as a whole has been so successful in squeezing the labor share of national income lower and lower that it's become a substantial constraint to businesses' ability to sell things to people. The cycle of low wages, low demand, weak hiring, weak bargaining power, and low wages just keeps grinding on.

Sign of the times.

 

[Diablos]

40% (!) percent of American workers make less than $20,000.

This is going to keep getting worse. And we in 20-30 years are gonna look back and wonder how we got here.

Holy hell, that's depressing.

How much worse does it have to get before people just start rioting en masse? 60%?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...t_is_raising_money_for_its_own_employees.html


Sign of the times.

Well, Wal-Mart is looking to help!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...l?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

Do we really need this stuff? Its getting ridiculous everything to make those food stamps go farther, nothing to get people self-sufficient

Also that 40% are employees not the elderly, students, or unemployed.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

Guess they do make pretty high wages. Still, that seems like an incredibly stupid argument against public transportation. The benefits far outway the slim possibility of the workers going on strike, and like I said, those jobs seem ripe for google's self-drive technology in 10-20 or whatever years

slim possibility? the SF workers went on strike twice this year already, lol. it shows that you were making an uneducated opinion with the wage thing. is it possible that you're just making more uneducated opinion now?

 

[Piecake]

slim possibility? the SF workers went on strike twice this year already, lol. it shows that you were making an uneducated opinion with the wage thing. is it possible that you're just making more uneducated opinion now?

Or I am actually including all mass transit systems, not just SF.

 

[Boom Boom Pow]

Or I am actually including all mass transit systems, not just SF.

I don't think you understand the point I was trying to make. I was saying, all an opponent of mass transit has to do, is show an example of the SF strike, use it to generalize to nationwide, and you will then see the more unedcuated public change their mind.