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[B-Dubs]

Well, it's either this or the NYTimes report, which they are actively trying to discredit with all their might.

They'll never be able to do it, despite any missteps the NYTimes may have made over the years they're still seen as what is very likely the world's best newspaper.

 

[TacticalFox88]

They'll never be able to do it, despite any missteps the NYTimes may have made over the years they're still seen as what is very likely the world's best newspaper.

Funny, cause New York has one of the best newspapers and one of the worst in one city.

Go figure.

 

[Tamanon]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166646/obama-clinton-continue-reign-admired-man-woman.aspx

Bush and the Pope tied? Madness.

 

[B-Dubs]

Funny, cause New York has one of the best newspapers and one of the worst in one city.

Go figure.

To be fair, no one in the city really respects the Post. We all just sort of laugh at it when we see it at the newsstand when we go to buy a real paper.

 

[Aaron]

This seems like the wrong time to be doubling down on the fear mongering when the writing is on the wall. There is no chance of repeal or major change before it is all in affect, and it sounds like the numbers are getting where they need to be both in insurance and Medicare(cade?) signups.

Fox should be putting distance between themselves and this rhetoric and moving onto the next thing. Whatever that is.

Fox does this all the time, and their long term ratings never suffer because of it. They did their best to feed the narrative that polls were skewed and Romney was sure to take the White House. When that fantasy was shattered, their viewers grumbled but they came back because they have nowhere else to go.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Fox does this all the time, and their long term ratings never suffer because of it. They did their best to feed the narrative that polls were skewed and Romney was sure to take the White House. When that fantasy was shattered, their viewers grumbled but they came back because they have nowhere else to go.

Yup, the 3-4 million (and it's important remember that Fox News best shows still barely do better than Monday Night RAW and has a demographic profile that makes 60 Minutes look like the Jersey Shore) people that watch Fox want to be told things that are incorrect.

 

[Mario]

Fox does this all the time, and their long term ratings never suffer because of it. They did their best to feed the narrative that polls were skewed and Romney was sure to take the White House. When that fantasy was shattered, their viewers grumbled but they came back because they have nowhere else to go.

I get that for the most part. I just think ACA having more personal impact will make it harder to claim the sky is falling while it isn't.

That being said, I remember seeing polls on conservatives who had negative opinions on welfare programs like unemployment, food stamps, etc and welfare recipients while simultaneously participating in those programs. So maybe I underestimate the cognitive dissonance capability of their core audience.

 

[Aaron]

I get that for the most part. I just think ACA having more personal impact will make it harder to claim the sky is falling while it isn't.

That being said, I remember seeing polls on conservatives who had negative opinions on welfare programs like unemployment, food stamps, etc and welfare recipients while simultaneously participating in those programs. So maybe I underestimate the cognitive dissonance capability of their core audience.

One of my co-workers is a tea partier. I've listen to him bend reality out of shape to fit his views. It's really like watching someone with a mental disorder. Their minds don't operate as rational people, and they fill in the cracks with faith and Fox News. The only way Fox could alienate its audience is by not being 'conservative' enough. I put it in quotes since they freely alter the definition of that word, so it would take a king idiot that all of these desperately stupid people want to follow to drive them away from Fox. Since that person would also need their own news network it's not likely to happen. It doesn't matter what Fox says. They are a comforting noise to dogs.

 

[Mario]

One of my co-workers is a tea partier. I've listen to him bend reality out of shape to fit his views. It's really like watching someone with a mental disorder. Their minds don't operate as rational people, and they fill in the cracks with faith and Fox News. The only way Fox could alienate its audience is by not being 'conservative' enough. I put it in quotes since they freely alter the definition of that word, so it would take a king idiot that all of these desperately stupid people want to follow to drive them away from Fox. Since that person would also need their own news network it's not likely to happen. It doesn't matter what Fox says. They are a comforting noise to dogs.

Cruz TV 24/7. All Cruz, All The Time.

 

[Aaron]

Cruz is just a long line of post Palin conservative figures destined to reach an apex where they fizzle out and fade into the background. Then Fox News will own him for a while, and discard him like yesterday's trash when he's all used up.

 

[Chumly]

Uh oh. Fox News is spin baby, spinning those healthcare sign up numbers!

Ive seen it too. In the end it didn't matter how many enrolled this will still put a negative spin on it. Whether they argue the not enough young people or not big enough networks etc etc.

 

[JesseEwiak]

I get that for the most part. I just think ACA having more personal impact will make it harder to claim the sky is falling while it isn't.

That being said, I remember seeing polls on conservatives who had negative opinions on welfare programs like unemployment, food stamps, etc and welfare recipients while simultaneously participating in those programs. So maybe I underestimate the cognitive dissonance capability of their core audience.

Well, one big difference between us and Western Europe is we do a lot of our social welfare through the tax code instead of directly. In Sweden (throwing a Western Europe country out there just randomly), you may get $2000 bucks directly in the form of a check or direct deposit from the government if you have a baby. Here, it's just in the form of a tax credit you put in on your 1040 so you get a larger refund.

It's also the same way, indirectly, with things like student loans and the like. Since so many of these things, even if they aren't privatized, are being administered by private companies or by separate institutions that don't sound like government departments, much of the population doesn't get in their minds that it's from the government. Thus, statements like 'get the government out of my Medicare.'

It's kind of a fiendish plot neoliberals and conservatives have pulled off since the Powell Memo.

 

[The Librarian]

Very good numbers. I wasn't sure they'd hit a million so topping it is a very good start. Now to see how that carries into January.

Between the young that can stay on their parents plans, the federal and state exchanges, and the Medicaid expansion, the ACA has taken a big bite out of the uninsured.

@sarahkliff: HHS: 2.1 million have enrolled in private insurance through exchanges through December 28.

 

[Aaron Strife]

@sarahkliff: HHS: 2.1 million have enrolled in private insurance through exchanges through December 28.

Includes all the state exchanges, I'm guessing.

 

[The Librarian]

Includes all the state exchanges, I'm guessing.

@sarahkliff: White House count of enrollment under Obamacare:
-2.1M in private coverage
-3.9M in Medicaid
-3M under 26 on parents plans

 

[Cloudy]

@samsteinhp: Per WH roughly 9m have coverage because of the AC so far: 2.1m in private plans, 3.9m via Medicaid and another 3m through parent's plans

REPEAL!

 

[thezerofire]

Does anyone know anything about these scientists getting stuck in the ice in the antarctic? it's the newest talking point I've heard from my dad

 

[Mike M]

Does anyone know anything about these scientists getting stuck in the ice in the antarctic? it's the newest talking point I've heard from my dad

Talking point about what exactly?

 

[PhoenixDark]

REPEAL!

Yup. Good luck with that, GOP. Assuming premiums don't spike in 2015.

So they missed their 2013 private insurance mark by 1mil correct? Not bad considering the website was FUBAR for two months.

 

[Hitokage]

Does anyone know anything about these scientists getting stuck in the ice in the antarctic? it's the newest talking point I've heard from my dad

Is this like getting your car stuck in the ditch then going THANKS OBAMA?

 

[thezerofire]

Talking point about what exactly?

Is this like getting your car stuck in the ditch then going THANKS OBAMA?

Sorry, didn't know how familiar people were with it.

The point goes that climate scientists went to the antarctic to investigate ice melting due to global warming, but the ice was too thick and they got stuck in it, therefore global warming doesn't exist

 

[PhoenixDark]

Talking point about what exactly?

Charter schools.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Yup. Good luck with that, GOP. Assuming premiums don't spike in 2015.

So they missed their 2013 private insurance mark by 1mil correct? Not bad considering the website was FUBAR for two months.

Hopefully they can hit the 7 mil goal by April. I just don't want the GOP to be able to crow about something else if it falls even one person short.

 

[Black Mamba]

It should also be noted the HHS numbers do not include insurance companies directly signing people or or moving them to a new plan. The figure is really higher than 2.1 million.

Happy New Years everyone.

 

[Wilsongt]

Does anyone know anything about these scientists getting stuck in the ice in the antarctic? it's the newest talking point I've heard from my dad

Yeah. Their ship is stuck, and when an ice breaker went to rescue them, it got stuck, too.

lol global warming your move Al Gore

 

[Oblivion]

It should also be noted the HHS numbers do not include insurance companies directly signing people or or moving them to a new plan. The figure is really higher than 2.1 million.

Happy New Years everyone.

It's still Dec. 31!

 

[Aaron Strife]

Yeah. Their ship is stuck, and when an ice breaker went to rescue them, it got stuck, too.

lol global warming your move Al Gore

Everytime a conservative uses weather conditions in extremely cold places to disprove global warming, I think of the banana theorem that proves creation.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

if global warming y cold?

checkmate lieberals

 

[eBay Huckster]

Yeah. Their ship is stuck, and when an ice breaker went to rescue them, it got stuck, too.

lol global warming your move Al Gore

yeah, that general argument's basically "Antarctic sea ice is expanding, ergo no global warming"

and it ignores the fact that every other place on earth with sea ice, including every other area in the Southern Ocean, has seen a drastic drop in extent since 1980

 

[AndyD]

if global warming y cold?

checkmate lieberals

That's the problem with the label of global warming rather than the label of climate change.

Global warming means super hot in average people's minds, and anything that is not super hot, or is very cold instead must mean global warming does not exist/is false/is not as bad etc.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

That's the problem with the label of global warming rather than the label of climate change.

Global warming means super hot in average people's minds, and anything that is not super hot, or is very cold instead must mean global warming does not exist/is false/is not as bad etc.

Global warming is a fine name. Its a warming of the planet. Changing the name only fuels the stupidity that scientists are changing their mind.

Edit: they are but that's called the scientific method and the major hypothesis hasn't changed

 

[Oblivion]

REPEAL!

Those numbers appear great, but is it fair to count the kids under their parents insurance?

 

[Aaron Strife]

Those numbers appear great, but is it fair to count the kids under their parents insurance?

Well they wouldn't be insured without the legislation, so sure.

 

[Karakand]

EV, today I read an NPR article linked on Twitter about the tax credits/breaks expiring 12/31/13 where the first "quote from an outsider expert/interested party" came from a Cato Institute lickspittle and I couldn't help but think of you.

Related: It's going to be an amusing year if the maximum allowable Section 179 deduction decline from $2,000,000 to $500,000 stays put. Also, why the heck to race track owner/operators get to take 7 year accelerated depreciation? All I want for Orthodox Christmas is the end of the deduction for state and local sales tax.

 

[Oblivion]

Well they wouldn't be insured without the legislation, so sure.

Well, yeah but they didn't actually have to sign up or anything.

 

[jamesinclair]

With less than 12 hours to go before he’s sworn in as mayor, Bill de Blasio dramatically picked up the pace of his appointments this afternoon, naming five top staffers, including new leaders for the Department of Transportation and the Department of Homeless Services.

Gilbert Taylor, who currently serves as the executive deputy commissioner at the Administration for Children’s Services, will be commissioner of homeless services, charged with finding new ways to reduce the city’s homeless population.

Polly Trottenberg, the current under secretary for policy at the U.S. Department of Transportation, will serve as the city’s next transportation commissioner, while Bob Linn, “a life-long negotiator of labor contracts and arbitrator of labor disputes” will serve as director of labor relations, helping to settle the city’s expired labor contracts, according to Mr. de Blasio’s transition team.

Kyle Kimball will stay on as president of the city’s New York City Economic Development Corporation.

And Stanley Brezenoff will serve as an unpaid special adviser to incoming First Deputy Mayor Anthony Shorris.

http://politicker.com/2013/12/de-blasio-makes-five-appointments-hours-before-taking-office/

 

[Rhomega Beta]

including new leaders for...the Department of Homeless Services.

Read that as "Homeless Security".

 

[empty vessel]

EV, today I read an NPR article linked on Twitter about the tax credits/breaks expiring 12/31/13 where the first "quote from an outsider expert/interested party" came from a Cato Institute lickspittle and I couldn't help but think of you.

Enrages me every time.

 

[TacticalFox88]

We're being "gifted" with a health care plan that we're forced to purchase, and fined if we don't, which purportedly covers at least 10 million more people without hiring a single new doctor, but provides for at least 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, with a website that doesn't work even for Obama himself, for which we will be taxed for 4 years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

And that's BETTER than our old system? Look, I hear ya. I'm not saying the old system didn't have its flaws, but throwing it out completely for this train wreck of a government takeover of health care is the last thing we need.

UGH! Should I respond, GAF?

Fuck. I KNOW it's futile, but FUCK ME

 

[B-Dubs]

UGH! Should I respond, GAF?

Fuck. I KNOW it's futile, but FUCK ME

Ignore it, there's way too much stupid going on there. Maybe just defriend.

 

[Oblivion]

UGH! Should I respond, GAF?

Fuck. I KNOW it's futile, but FUCK ME

Just say that you agree and wish that idiot Republican presidential nominee didn't give Obama any ideas, and leave it at that.

 

[The Technomancer]

UGH! Should I respond, GAF?

Fuck. I KNOW it's futile, but FUCK ME

purportedly covers at least 10 million more people without hiring a single new doctor

I just...I think this is the line that gets me the most. Because a.)you know there would be an uproar if the government mandated hiring more doctors and b.)with that many more people in the insurance pool if there's a greater load on the healthcare system the hospitals will then hire more doctors.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I just...I think this is the line that gets me the most. Because a.)you know there would be an uproar if the government mandated hiring more doctors and b.)with that many more people in the insurance pool if there's a greater load on the healthcare system the hospitals will then hire more doctors.

Idiot. Demand doesn't hire people. Rich people hire people. DUH.

 

[T'Zariah]

UGH! Should I respond, GAF?

Fuck. I KNOW it's futile, but FUCK ME

signed by a President who smokes

OMG WHAT?! hahahahaha

1) That's blatantly false

2)Even if it wasn't….WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING!?

 

[Hitokage]

Enrages me every time.

Still not as bad as when NPR quoted the Family Research Council on a gay marriage story. I was going to write a complaint letter to the network, but then forgot about it. :/

 

[JesseEwiak]

I like the doctor line, because imagine if the ACA included funding to hire government doctors. Let's all imagine how well that would go.

 

[TacticalFox88]

It still baffles me that people STILL don't understand that the ACA is NOT healthcare reform.

It's Insurance Reform.

 

[Hitokage]

It still baffles me that people STILL don't understand that the ACA is NOT healthcare reform.

It's Insurance Reform.

Eh, it has bits of healthcare reform in it. It's just not the centerpiece.

 

[Oblivion]

Okay, really late on this, but goddamn it, I want a Poligaf end of the year awards ceremony, and I will NOT be denied!



Biggest Story of the Year:

- Edward Snowden/NSA Leaks
- SC striking down DOMA
- Healthcare.gov rollout
- The Syrian Crisis
- GOP shutting down the government

Best controversy:

- BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI!
- IRS-gate
- NSA tapping the AP's phones
- Healthcare.gov rollout
- Handshake-gate/Selfie-gate (grouped together cause they happened in the same day)
- Desk-gate
- Bridge-gate
- (Literal) Water-gate


Best idiotic comment by a pundit:

-Richard Cohen's racism in regards to Black people
-Alec Baldwin homophobia on the paparazzi
-Megyn Kelly on Santa Clause's race


Best Use of false equivalency:

-Peggy Noonan claiming IRS-gate was far worse than Iran-Contra AND Watergate -combined.
-Bob Schieffer saying website-gate was worse than the government shutdown.
-Ron Fournier comparing Obama's second term to Bush's.
-Pretty much every centrist pundit claiming Dems also shutdown the government/took the debt ceiling hostage in the past so it's totally cool if the Republicans do it.


Best New Wingnut:


-Wayne LaPierre
- Dr. Ben Carson
- E.W. Jackson
- Larry Klayman
- That dude from Duck Dynasty
- Pope Francis

Best accidental source material backfire:


-Ted Cruz on Green Eggs and Ham
-Sarah Palin on Thomas Jefferson
-Tea Party group unironically uses image used to mock people like the Tea Party
- CBS/60 Minutes/Lara Logan creating an episode dedicated to the Benghazi controversy based on the single testimony of a fraud


Person of the Year:

- Pres. Obama
- Ted Cruz
- Pope Francis
- Hillary Clinton
- Sarah Palin



WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME! VOTE, DAMN YOU!

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Happy new year from the Supreme Court (Its either Kagan or Roberts, guess)

BREAKING: (AP) - Supreme Court justice halts birth control mandate in health care law for Catholic group.