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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On

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ivysaur12

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Although I've always believed that Hagan would have lost to Burr in 2016, I really can't think of another candidate that would have done better than her. Guess NC is going to be stuck with two Republicans until 2020 (I really can't see Tillis surviving a presidential wave).

The only two options that could actually raise money for a campaign are Anthony Foxx or Janet Cowell. Neither have been heavily polled, but both probably have low name rec, even though Cowell is a statewide elected official.

I think she would've lost (her unfavorables were way too high), but she probably was the Democrats best bet in 2016.

EDIT: Apples and oranges, but Cowell got more votes than Romney did in 2012!
 

ivysaur12

Banned
And to be fair to conservatives: Holy shit, what's it going to take for Kathleen Kane to resign...?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...ey_General_s_Office_a_hell_in_Harrisburg.html

HARRISBURG - As Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane waits to hear whether she will face criminal charges, she is presiding over an office awash in backbiting, anxiety, and fear.

Current and former staffers say it's a workplace where supervisors go through office phone records to see who is calling whom - and talking for how long.

It is a place where Kane's chief of staff officially complained that someone pawed through his briefcase while he had stepped away.

And last week, detectives from the Montgomery County District Attorney's Office searched the place, looking for evidence of wrongdoing by Kane.

A veteran agent agreed. "It's like they are shooting a hostage every day. Everyone is petrified," said the agent, who, like others in the office, asked not to identified because he feared reprisal.

Building her brand, Kane focused on drug busts and child-molestation cases, somewhat de-emphasizing the corruption cases more associated with her Republican predecessor, Tom Corbett.

Her office says arrests of sex offenders have climbed dramatically, from 19 the year before she took office to 167 last year. Drug arrests are up by a third.

Still, those trends have been largely drowned out by months of punishing news stories about Kane's rejection of a pair of major corruption cases, her feud with former prosecutors, her retractions of misstatements, and most ominously, a grand jury's recommendation that she be criminally charged.

The panel voted in December to urge that Kane be arrested on charges of perjury, official oppression, and other offenses for leaking confidential investigative material to a newspaper to embarrass a critic.
 
It doesn't look like determine an issue is liberal or conservative by its nature; instead, its determined by the political lean of each justice. Not the best methodology, I agree.

How do you square the rest of your post with your view that the country is drifting leftwards (in general)? It's great if the people think one thing, but if the power structures maintain the status quo or even go against popular opinion then the country's body politic isn't really drifting towards populism.

People are drifting leftward. The supreme court is attempting to limit avenues for change (like states and conservative politicians). I don't fear their decisions are permanent though.
 
Then it's the same as DNOMINATE scores, if you aren't going to actually define liberal or conservative then you can fake it by playing the "everyone knows [X] is [liberal/conservative]" card and extrapolating distance from that individuals voting to place everyone else.

I know there's judicial equivalents of the ACU/ADA scores, they should have looked for those as additional variables.

Could also do it by who filed amicus briefs for/against.

I mean since everything in the world fits neatly along an irrational "liberal" and "conservative" spectrum that primarily exists to delineate our two sports teams and if it doesn't, it's not important.

From NYT:


From The Database:
http://supremecourtdatabase.org/documentation.php?var=decisionDirection

SCIENCE

Seems completely arbitrary. And again a lot of my criticisms has to do with the fact certain cases matter more than others and establish new ideas and "rules" while other just affirm past precedent.

Something like Citizens United, McCouchon,VRA act, (possibly fair housing acts), the Binding arbitration case, Heller are radical shifts rightward. Where is the same shifts leftward besides gay rights?
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Reading over Nikki Haley's speech where she called for the confederate flag to be taken down was actually not as impressive as I thought it was. She spent most of the speech talking about how the flag was actually a wonderful thing and something South Carolinians should be proud of, but that we should take it down cause some people perverted its good name. In other words, it seems less like "we have to take this down because it's a sign of bigotry and oppression" and more like "we have to take it down cause the PR department's gonna have a tough time helping me spin this".
 
If every policy decision were a ballot initiative, then they would be.

Eh, well that's nice on some things, if we had ballot initiatives for some policy decisions, all public employees would be as easy to fire as fry cooks, people would only be allowed to buy bread and water with food stamps, and a bunch of other low-level terrible, but still pretty terrible economic things would be legal.

The only thing worse than representative government is the mob.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Eh, well that's nice on some things, if we had ballot initiatives for some policy decisions, all public employees would be as easy to fire as fry cooks, people would only be allowed to buy bread and water with food stamps, and a bunch of other low-level terrible, but still pretty terrible economic things would be legal.

The only thing worse than representative government is the mob.

He's not saying we should have everything be a ballot initiative, but that the public at large has moved left on the issue while legislatures have yet to catch up.
 
The next group to legalize same sex marriage: Nintendo.

That ruling can't come soon enough.
Big reversal from their previous stance

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Seems completely arbitrary. And again a lot of my criticisms has to do with the fact certain cases matter more than others and establish new ideas and "rules" while other just affirm past precedent.

Something like Citizens United, McCouchon,VRA act, (possibly fair housing acts), the Binding arbitration case, Heller are radical shifts rightward. Where is the same shifts leftward besides gay rights?

I agree with this. striking down portions of the VRA is a much bigger shift right than whatever some "liberal" outcome of a patent case is.

In the issues that actually matter to people's day to day lives, it's a shift right and has been for some time now.

He's not saying we should have everything be a ballot initiative, but that the public at large has moved left on the issue while legislatures have yet to catch up.

Yup. Ask people if they want less gov't and more freedom, they'll say yes. Ask them if they want to increase education spending, raise min wage and taxes on wealthy, provide free cancer screening for the poor, more college grants, etc and they'll also say yes.

In theory, many people are republicans/conservative. In reality, they aren't. They just like to think they are.
 

benjipwns

Banned
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...navy-paid-millions-to-stay-on-windows-xp.html
The U.S. Navy is paying Microsoft millions of dollars to keep up to 100,000 computers afloat because it has yet to transition away from Windows XP.

The Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command, which runs the Navy's communications and information networks, signed a $9.1 million contract earlier this month for continued access to security patches for Windows XP, Office 2003, Exchange 2003 and Windows Server 2003.

The entire contract could be worth up to $30.8 million and extend into 2017.

The first three of those products have been deemed obsolete by Microsoft, and Windows Server 2003 will reach its end of life on July 14. As a result, Microsoft has stopped issuing free security updates but will continue to do so on a paid basis for customers like the Navy that are still using those products.

The Navy began a transition away from XP in 2013, but as of May it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software.

"The Navy relies on a number of legacy applications and programs that are reliant on legacy Windows products," said Steven Davis, a spokesman for the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command in San Diego. "Until those applications and programs are modernized or phased out, this continuity of services is required to maintain operational effectiveness."

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"A plan for migrating to current and supported capabilities has been developed and is being executed," Davis said.

Continuing to use the obsolete systems without the Microsoft contract would be risky.

"Without this continued support, vulnerabilities to these systems will be discovered, with no patches to protect the systems," the Navy document says. "The resulting deterioration will make the U.S. Navy more susceptible to intrusion ... and could lead to loss of data integrity, network performance and the inability to meet mission readiness of critical networks."

The Navy isn't alone in still relying on Windows XP. Approximately 10 percent of desktop PCs accessing websites using the StatCounter traffic reporting service during the current month were running Windows XP, giving it a market share just above that of Apple's OS X. Data from Net Applications puts XP's current share at just over 14 percent.
 

benjipwns

Banned
http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/23/congratulations-you-oppose-the-confederate-flag-now-what/
A lot of the surrounding media-led outrage over the flag seems somewhat cold, given the horror of what last week brought. We had nine black people brutally murdered because they were black and sitting in a church with a history of fighting white supremacy. With all due deference to hatred for a Confederate flag on a pole at the statehouse, this seems like an almost childlike attempt to miss the seriousness of the situation. It’s as if they expect us to say, “Congratulations! You oppose the flag of an army that was defeated 150 years ago. We’re all very proud of you, journalists!” This generation seems to excel at inventing controversies, weighing in on those invented controversies, and then patting itself on the back for being so courageous and open-minded.

The murderer of the Emanuel nine has done something particularly bad, but he isn’t the only person capable of evil out there. And getting rid of a flag is hardly the remedy for the racism and violence that infects our culture. How juvenile to think otherwise.

Still, it’s routine now for the media to respond to tragic events with a call for more government control. It’s not just shown by responding to mass shootings with calls for gun control. Remember how, until all the facts got in the way, the media blamed a fatal Amtrak derailment on a lack of federal funding, of all things?

CNN actually went “heretic hunting” to call on businesses to ban any goods sold that in any way reference a Confederate symbol (which, of course, includes many state flags). Check out this piece headlined “First on CNN: Walmart to stop selling Confederate flag merchandise.” See, it’s first on CNN because CNN decided to trade journalism-ing for activism-ing:

I mean, OK? Even this type of “Look! Squirrel!” avoidance of the actual tragedy of the Charleston terrorism was better than the naked political point scoring

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https://twitter.com/AndrewStilesUSA/status/613129182546132992
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https://twitter.com/Tracinski/status/613192229935419392
Dear @politico: Republicans were for taking down that flag a lot earlier than Democrats--150 years earlier.

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And now the media are hopping all over the place. Within a few hours they had moved on from their noble campaign of (largely meaningless but whatever) flag justice/posturing/attention in South Carolina to every state but Arkansas that is so tainted.

And then within a few minutes, they had moved on to renaming literally everything.

In a completely serious piece for Commentary, historian Max Boot writes:
Not only should the Confederate flag come down, but I believe it’s also time for Southern states to change place names in honor of traitors such as Jefferson Davis.

I know, I know: it’s a slippery slope that could eventually result in taking slaveholders such as George Washington off our currency or even renaming our national capital.

He thought that people would forgive Washington for having done good things, too. He has more confidence than I do in the progressive left.

A bunch of New York Times reporters jumped on the bandwagon:
Ross Barkan ✔@RossBarkan
.@hunterw teaches me that there's a street named after Robert E. Lee in walking distance of my childhood home http://read.bi/1N2ghuQ

One wonders whether they understand the difference between men such as Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee or if the only thing that matters about them is their affiliation with the Confederacy.

And Stars and Stripes is polling people on whether to rename military bases named after Confederates.

Even Texas is experiencing some of the frenzy. The Texas Tribune reports, “Momentum Builds to Remove UT Confederate Statue.”

I can’t help but notice that no one is calling to rename the Woodrow Wilson bridge right by my house, even though Wilson’s racism was personal, political, focused on eugenics and far more recent than any Civil War-era leader.

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One might be forgiven for thinking that is the goal of modern outrage politics — to turn everything into power games and nothing more.

I agree with New York Times reporter Lydia Polgreen:
Lydia Polgreen ✔@lpolgreen
A risk in all the flag unanimity: everyone will think this whole race problem in America has been solved and we can move on.

This is in fact what outrage culture does. We’re addicted to judgment porn, and this is just the latest example. And just like traditional porn, outrage porn serves only for momentary release. Confederate flag burning doesn’t actually do anything to stop racism. It’s a complete sideshow. And once we’ve blown up every confederate statue and smashed every tombstone with Confederate marks and erased all evidence of the Confederacy from our roads, we’ll still have the scourge of racism and every other sin with us.
head spinning, not totally insane piece posted on the federalist, can't cope...

Though "outrage culture" does not exist in any form now, in the past or ever will in the future.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Assuming gay marriage is legalized, because I don't really see how that doesn't happen
Because Mike Huckabee, that's why:
He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

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“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”
 
Rush Limbaugh claims we'll all be gunning for the American Flag next.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...derate-flag-american-flag-119359.html?hp=l3_4

Limbaugh imagined what the liberal talking points on attacking the stars and stripes might be: “Can you just hear it now? I can hear it now: ‘The United States flag has flown over slavery and symbolized racism, discrimination, bigotry, homophobia for hundreds of years; the Confederate flag flew only four years, and we’re getting rid of the Confederate flag.’ Mark my words.”

"Flew for only four years." Gimme a break.

Although if we did get rid of it I'd like to nominate the Serapis Flag in my avatar as the replacement. The most beautiful and underused of all American flags.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Nope can't do 51, it'd mess up the symmetrical top and bottom row of stars. We gotta go to 53. Puerto Rico, D.C. and Mexico. Boom, done.

I guess we could do Guam or just combine all the Pacific Islands if Mexico complains.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage

benjipwns

Banned
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...wn-the-fascist-anti-christian-gay-pride-flag/
Under the banner of what is dishonestly called a gay pride or gay “rights” flag, hate, fascism, and intolerance has festered for years, specifically against Christians and conservatives. Under the auspices of a “rights and equality” symbol, Leftists have been on a rampage to take way the rights of others through bullying, lies, and online terrorism.

The list of misdeeds and victims resulting from an increasingly emboldened Big Gay Hate Machine continues to grow.

Under this banner of hate, people are outed against their will, terrorized out of business merely for being Christian, bullied and harassed for thoughtcrimes; moreover, “hate crimes” are being manufactured to keep us divided, Christians are refused service, death threats are hurled, and Christianity is regularly smeared as hate speech.

If individuals wish to fly this symbol of hate, oppression and bigotry on their own property, that is their choice in a free country. It is unconscionable, however, that this symbol of intolerance is allowed to fly above government-owned buildings.

The symbol of bigots who seek to strip others of their First Amendment right to practice their religion has no place on government grounds.

P.S. I’m also in favor of removing the Rebel Flag from the grounds of the South Carolina Capitol. Equivalence is not the issue here. Hate and intolerance is.
 

Crisco

Banned
If we have a Republican President when Puerto Rico get's statehood, the additional star will be brown and only a corner of it will be visible from behind one of the white stars.
 

Mike M

Nick N
Can't believe Hillary dropped "all lives matter" in her speech in Ferguson. Did her staff really not catch that? Granted, it wasn't meant in the same sport as the counter-hashtag and no one will remember by the time primaries start, but that's something that probably should have been caught in proofreading.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Can't believe Hillary dropped "all lives matter" in her speech in Ferguson. Did her staff really not catch that? Granted, it wasn't meant in the same sport as the counter-hashtag and no one will remember by the time primaries start, but that's something that probably should have been caught in proofreading.

How is this something to get upset about? All lives do matter...no? Or do only black lives matter? She probably could have started with black lives matter and expanded upon yellow lives matter, red lives matter, brown lives matter, white lives matter and somewhere out there in space the lizard people green lives matter and the alien greys as well.

To get upset with someone saying "All lives matter" is ridiculous. There's so much shit to actually complain about that someone saying all lives matter is at the top of the list? In St. Paul, MN there was a black lives matter protest a few months back and one of the black guys in the march was interviewed and he too said "Black lives matter, hell, all lives matter." Duh. Save your anger for something that's actually controversial. To be against "all lives matter" means you're a discriminatory fool.
 
If we have a Republican President when Puerto Rico get's statehood, the additional star will be brown and only a corner of it will be visible from behind one of the white stars.

Wouldn't happen. Funny as it may be. No way a GOP controlled government lets in more liberal EC votes, house and senate seats.
 

Mike M

Nick N
How is this something to get upset about? All lives do matter...no? Or do only black lives matter? She probably could have started with black lives matter and expanded upon yellow lives matter, red lives matter, brown lives matter, white lives matter and somewhere out there in space the lizard people green lives matter and the alien greys as well.

To get upset with someone saying "All lives matter" is ridiculous. There's so much shit to actually complain about that someone saying all lives matter is at the top of the list? In St. Paul, MN there was a black lives matter protest a few months back and one of the black guys in the march was interviewed and he too said "Black lives matter, hell, all lives matter." Duh. Save your anger for something that's actually controversial. To be against "all lives matter" means you're a discriminatory fool.
I'm not upset. I'm commenting that it was an easily prevented minor blunder to quote a phrase that was proliferated primarily to trivialize the Black Lives Matter slogan in what was arguably ground zero for it.

If either of us needs their moral outrage trigger calibrated, it's not me.
 

Metaphoreus

This is semantics, and nothing more
How is this something to get upset about? All lives do matter...no? Or do only black lives matter? She probably could have started with black lives matter and expanded upon yellow lives matter, red lives matter, brown lives matter, white lives matter and somewhere out there in space the lizard people green lives matter and the alien greys as well.

To get upset with someone saying "All lives matter" is ridiculous. There's so much shit to actually complain about that someone saying all lives matter is at the top of the list? In St. Paul, MN there was a black lives matter protest a few months back and one of the black guys in the march was interviewed and he too said "Black lives matter, hell, all lives matter." Duh. Save your anger for something that's actually controversial. To be against "all lives matter" means you're a discriminatory fool.

Useful context.

Also question for Meta.

Secondary boycotts/strikes are illegal in the US since taft heartley. Has there ever been a court challenge of that?

Seems one could make the case they're restricting free speech and association rights, though one could counter with commerce clause justification.

The First Amendment trumps the Commerce Clause, not the other way around.

There have been challenges, and they were unsuccessful. Here's an example from 1951:

5. The prohibition of inducement or encouragement of secondary pressure by § 8(b)(4)(A) carries no unconstitutional abridgment of free speech. The inducement or encouragement in the instant case took the form of picketing followed by a telephone call emphasizing its purpose. The constitutionality of § 8(b)(4)(A) is here questioned only as to its possible relation to the freedom of speech guaranteed by the First Amendment. This provision has been sustained by several Courts of Appeals. [Footnote 9] The substantive evil condemned by Congress in § 8(b)(4) is the secondary boycott, and we recently have recognized the constitutional right of states to proscribe picketing in furtherance of comparably unlawful objectives. [Footnote 10] There is no reason why Congress may not do likewise.

That holding has been cited in numerous SCOTUS cases since. For more, you might consult the cases cited by the Court in the following excerpt from a 1982 case:

We have consistently rejected the claim that secondary picketing by labor unions in violation of § 8(b)(4) is protected activity under the First Amendment. See, e.g., NLRB v. Retail Store Employees, supra, at 447 U. S. 616; American Radio Assn. v. Mobile S.S. Assn., 419 U.S. at 419 U. S. 229-231. Cf. NLRB v. Fruit Packers, 377 U. S. 58, 377 U. S. 63 (1964).
 
Can't believe Hillary dropped "all lives matter" in her speech in Ferguson. Did her staff really not catch that? Granted, it wasn't meant in the same sport as the counter-hashtag and no one will remember by the time primaries start, but that's something that probably should have been caught in proofreading.
She's already said "Black Lives Matter" in an earlier speech and article this year (which the media roundly ignored). What she said yesterday made sense in the context of her mother's story. The only people getting mad at this are the people who are still hung up about 2008 and are looking for any quote or gaffe to confirm their biases.
 
I'm not upset. I'm commenting that it was an easily prevented minor blunder to quote a phrase that was proliferated to trivialize the Black Lives Matter slogan.

If either of us needs their moral outrage trigger calibrated, it's not me, buddy.

It's not trivializing though.

I've been reading up on this ridiculous issue this morning and the commentaries on HuffPost and NYT about the outrage over the 3 words "All lives matter." It's beyond preposterous in both commentaries which directly go off on some lame tangents and spend like 1 sentence on why they don't like those 3 words. I get the fact the black community wants to keep the focus on black lives being murdered for no good reason and the systemic injustice...but whining about "all lives matter" (which all lives do) just comes across as some wonky, self-pity focus that the world "black" isn't included. There's injustice in the system across all aspects of every category. Do those people who fall in categories that aren't black not matter? The hashtag "BlackLivesMatter" over "AllLivesMatter" would seem to indicate yeah, if you ain't black...your life does not matter.

While also looking up the fuss about "All lives matter" this morning I came about some rightwing(I think) article that did make some good points. Apparently 6,000 black lives are taken each year by another black person...yet, can one black person or anyone for that matter name the black person killed by the other black person? Probably not. It was a more intriguing article than the people with their pants in a bind over anyone saying "All lives matter" as I eluded to earlier(NYT, HuffPost).

Also this morning while trying to find the video I saw before of the black guy saying "All lives matter" I came across another(different than I saw before live) newscast from the area...where once again the focus in the Twin Cities area is about "All lives matter"-ing and people of color(black guy by the capital in one) and a mexican girl in this one saying the same damn thing at Black Lives Matter rallies!!!! So why do the black guy and hispanic girl get to say "All lives matter" and Hilary doesn't?

All lives matter isn't triviliazing jack fucking squat because ALL encompasses everything, black, red, blue, brown, pink, rhinos, possums, ants, you name it. It all fucking matters. What's controversial? Stop the faux outrage at Hilary or any other white person(or any color) who says "All lives matter." There's nothing controversial about that. It wasn't a "minor blunder" because it wasn't a blunder at all.

As a progressive liberal I should be on BlackLivesMatter side, and I am...but if they're too damn conservative to control all the "LivesMatter" hashtags and be pissy whenever anyone shows support for other people's lives who aren't black or for "all lives"(including black), who also face injustice...then I'm not on their side. ALL LIVES FUCKING MATTER. It's ridiculous I'm having this conversation and that people are upset that someone said "All lives matter." It's like they're not even competent...and the words being said in a church which one would think the attendees would have some spiritual understanding of the soul and that everything is here for a reason and life does have purpose...it's mind numbingly stupid to be upset about "All lives mattering."

In the good news, if they're pissed with Hilary who are they going to vote for? Bernie! Thanks Hilary for doing nothing wrong (in this instance) and pissing off your base.
 
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