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[Poodlestrike]

How do you all feel about #EarnThisDamnVote going around? A movement that wants Dems to make race inequality a campaign focus or they don't vote.

First I'm hearing of it (don't use Twitter).

First impression is mixed, though. On the one hand, I'm thinking that yeah, that makes sense; after all this time, a more direct appeal for more direct support makes sense.

On the other hand, staying home is just stupid. Yeah, maybe they won't do as much for you as they might, but turning down the opportunity to get some good and risk incurring actual harm (if a Republican wins)... that's a real cut off your nose to spite your face solution if I've ever heard one.

 

[benjipwns]

On the other hand, staying home is just stupid. Yeah, maybe they won't do as much for you as they might, but turning down the opportunity to get some good and risk incurring actual harm (if a Republican wins)... that's a real cut off your nose to spite your face solution if I've ever heard one.

The problems of a large, important, but ultimately not decisive, voting bloc universally beholden to a single party.

Little incentive to solve issues beyond a slight trickle so that you can keep em coming back because the other guys are going to destroy that pittance.

This is why corporations, the military-industrial complex, foreign lobbyists, etc. make sure to spread things around, and tilt from side to side as that party's power waxes and wanes.

 

[Jack Remington]

Trump is going to get the nomination. I see the bottom 10 candidates dropping out by December. Rubio drops out by late spring. Walker is out by summer, and Trump beats Jeb in a hard-fought contest.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Who is making the thread for the first Republican debate? If it is not thread worthy then I dont know what is. Must see TV. The viewership is going to be massive.

 

[Macho Madness]

Who is making the thread for the first Republican debate? If it is not thread worthy then I dont know what is. Must see TV. The viewership is going to be massive.

I think there were threads last go around.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

One thing you missed:


As I said after it happened, his comments on veterans are going to drop him into the single-digits.

Doesn't really mean anything until we know more. That kind of variation in polling happens often.

 

[Mario]

Who is making the thread for the first Republican debate? If it is not thread worthy then I dont know what is. Must see TV. The viewership is going to be massive.

Needs a thread for the drinking game/bingo potential on its own.

 

[FiggyCal]

I prefer the #BernieSoBlack jokes.

 

[benjipwns]

Today the debate candidates "would be": Trump, Jeb!, Walker, Huckabee, Rubio, Paul, Carson, Cruz, Christie, Perry.

17 days (distance to the debate) ago they would have been: Jeb!, Walker, Rubio, Carson, Huckabee, Paul, Trump, Cruz, Christie, Perry.

Trump's never polled outside the top ten RCP average. If you go back to the day before he got added (May 27th!) you get: Jeb!, Walker, Rubio, Paul, Cruz, Huckabee, Carson, Christie, Perry, Santorum. He then instantly inserts himself between Christie and Perry knocking Santorum out.

 

[BlackGhost]

Trump apparently on Oreilly tonight, get the popcorn.
Edit: on now

 

[pigeon]

Was the divide between Obama and Hillary supporters this deep as it is between the Bernie and Hillary supporters? Bernie threads are popping up left and right.

ex:I see corporatism thrown around a lot. Was that an attack on Hillary back in 08' among Obama supporters?

http://www.hillaryis44.org/

THIS WEBSITE IS STILL UPDATING

 

[Trouble]

http://www.hillaryis44.org/

THIS WEBSITE IS STILL UPDATING

The entire PUMA phenomenon was manufactured. I'd bet money none of the people running that site were ever Hillary supporters.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

In Republicanland, it's okay to say that Black people are lazy, Mexicans are rapists and Obama isn't really an American, but say that John McCain isn't a war hero...

OH, HE WENT TOO FAR.

Okay.

 

[Cheebo]

haha wow. I know it won't last but this is pathetic.

Cruz is the big loser here. Trump has made him irrelevant which is stunning to me. He has the money and grass roots support though...eventually Trump's support will fall to him.

Why do people continue to pretend as if Jeb is the non-Trump front runner.

Walkers numbers prove to be incredibly impressive with as low of name recondition he has nationwide compared to Bush. Soon as Trump fully fades away Walker is going to start quickly pulling away from the pack.

 

[StopMakingSense]

The entire PUMA phenomenon was manufactured. I'd bet money none of the people running that site were ever Hillary supporters.

Oh christ i am blanking, what did PUMA stand for again?

 

[titiklabingapat]

Was the divide between Obama and Hillary supporters this deep as it is between the Bernie and Hillary supporters? Bernie threads are popping up left and right.

ex:I see corporatism thrown around a lot. Was that an attack on Hillary back in 08' among Obama supporters?

Oh, Obama vs Hillary was so damn close, it could have been anyone's game up to the very end. Obama's super-delegate lead clinched the win for him.

Oh christ i am blanking, what did PUMA stand for again?

Party Unity My Ass.

 

[120v]

Why do people continue to pretend as if Jeb is the non-Trump front runner.

follow the $$$

bush is way ahead in PAC money. though i think rubio inches him out in total donations

 

[thepotatoman]

Was the divide between Obama and Hillary supporters this deep as it is between the Bernie and Hillary supporters? Bernie threads are popping up left and right.

ex:I see corporatism thrown around a lot. Was that an attack on Hillary back in 08' among Obama supporters?

There was a much bigger divide. The Obama-Hillary primary was brutal. It was extremely surprising to see Obama appoint Hillary as Secretary of State after that. The Iraq War thing was probably the biggest thing in that divide.

She also used dog whistles against him almost as much as republicans have, which was a particularly scummy thing to do.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/8130.html

ABC’s David Wright asked President Bill Clinton on Saturday in Columbia, S.C., about it taking two Clintons to beat Obama.

Bill Clinton replied: “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice, in '84 and '88. And he ran a good campaign, and Senator Obama’s run a good campaign here. He’s run a good campaign everywhere.”

Stephanopoulos told Obama: “The implication is pretty clear: You’re the Jesse Jackson of 2008.”

“Jesse Jackson ran historic races in 1984 and 1988,” Obama replied coolly.

“There’s no doubt that set a precedent for African Americans running for the highest office in the land. But that was 20 years ago, George.”

Pressed about Bill Clinton, Obama added: “His frame of reference was the Jesse Jackson races. That’s when he was active and involved and watching what was going to take place in South Carolina. I think that a lot of South Carolinians looked at it through a different lens.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...mp-slams-clinton-team-on-controversial-photo/

Barack Obama’s campaign accused Hillary Clinton’s team Monday of circulating a photo of the Illinois senator donning traditional attire – clothing worn by area Muslims – as a goodwill gesture during an overseas trip.

In a statement, the Clinton campaign called the charge “an obvious and transparent attempt to distract” voters from serious issues – but did not issue a denial.

The picture, which appeared on the Drudge Report this morning, was attributed to sources within the Clinton campaign – although the Web site did not reveal how many, or who, might have received the photo.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-support-from-white-americans/

In what appear to be the New York senator's most blunt comments to date regarding a racial division in the Democratic presidential race, Hillary Clinton suggested Wednesday that "White Americans" are increasingly turning away from Barack Obama’s candidacy.

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," Clinton said in an interview with USA TODAY.

Clinton cited an Associated Press poll "that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

 

[B-Dubs]

In Republicanland, it's okay to say that Black people are lazy, Mexicans are rapists and Obama isn't really an American, but say that John McCain isn't a war hero...

OH, HE WENT TOO FAR.

Okay.

Tell that to Trump's poll numbers.

 

[Ecotic]

Oh, Obama vs Hillary was so damn close, it could have been anyone's game up to the very end. Obama's super-delegate lead clinched the win for him.

In effect the race was over after the Potomac Primaries in February, Obama just completely swept all the primaries that month. While there were a lot of people in the media trying to explain why Hillary couldn't ultimately win anymore, the American public never got the memo. There was like 4 months of intense Democratic handwringing that Hillary needed to just drop out because she couldn't win and was just being selfish, and Obama really needed to switch to general election mode. I remember there was such hope that Obama could win the late April Pennsylvania primary and finally end the race perception wise but Hillary pulled through.

The 2008 Democratic primaries were truly something special, a once in a lifetime contest. I was a big Obama supporter and when he lost New Hampshire that was the most crushed politically I've ever been. Obama was the challenger and he'd just lost his one chance at a knockout punch, I truly thought it was over.

 

[NeoXChaos]

In effect the race was over after the Potomac Primaries in February, Obama just completely swept all the primaries that month. While there were a lot of people in the media trying to explain why Hillary couldn't ultimately win anymore, the American public never got the memo. There was like 4 months of intense Democratic handwringing that Hillary needed to just drop out because she couldn't win and was just being selfish, and Obama really needed to switch to general election mode. I remember there was such hope that Obama could win the late April Pennsylvania primary and finally end the race perception wise but Hillary pulled through.

The 2008 Democratic primaries were truly something special, a once in a lifetime contest. I was a big Obama supporter and when he lost New Hampshire that was the most crushed politically I've ever been. Obama was the challenger and he'd just lost his one chance at a knockout punch, I truly thought it was over.

and it would not have been if Hillary lost NH and dropped out. Her staying ultimately helped Obama be prepared for the general. I was a Hillary supporter and I was excited that she won NH. She had every right to stay in. Both were making history no matter what. Put aside the smear campaign and attack ads and it certainly was a once in a generation event. Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama before Iowa and the rest is history.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Bush Vs Walker Round 1

Bush’s political ethos — his stated philosophy of refusing to pander to the right to win the primary only to become unelectable in the general election — is itself an implicit rebuke of Walker, who has flipped his positions on immigration and Common Core to better align with the primary electorate (the two issues for which Bush remains opposite the prevailing GOP orthodoxy).
For his part, Walker views Bush as a scion of a tarnished political dynasty, another establishment moderate who, like Mitt Romney before him, will struggle to excite the conservative base should he become the GOP nominee.

As it should be.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...one-of-a-long-brawl-120381.html#ixzz3gUJpnD3B

 

[NYCmetsfan]

How the hell does Kevin Williamson still have a job, the dude is no better than derbyshire

In the Bernieverse, there’s a whole lot of nationalism mixed up in the socialism. He is, in fact, leading a national-socialist movement, which is a queasy and uncomfortable thing to write about a man who is the son of Jewish immigrants from Poland and whose family was murdered in the Holocaust. But there is no other way to characterize his views and his politics.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism

He literally says, Bernie sanders is a nazi/

 

[Macho Madness]

Bush Vs Walker Round 1



As it should be.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...one-of-a-long-brawl-120381.html#ixzz3gUJpnD3B

They need a "true conservative".

 

[AntoneM]

How the hell does Kevin Williamson still have a job, the dude is no better than derbyshire


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421369/bernie-sanders-national-socialism

He literally says, Bernie sanders is a nazi/

No he didn't he said he's a nationalist socialist whitch is totally different, totally... totally... like not a Nazi, definitely not a Nazi.









totally.

 

[Retromelon]

They need a "true conservative".

 

[B-Dubs]

Kenneth the page?

 

[Retromelon]

Real funny bro

 

[Oblivion]

http://www.mediaite.com/uncategoriz...rie-you-misrepresent-just-like-everyone-else/

Trump's attacking the LIEbrul media. His popularity is gonna go up even higher.

 

[B-Dubs]

Real funny bro

Do a google image search, even Google says Kenneth the page!

 

[Retromelon]

I know what its from
How about you pick on someone with more than 2 percent in the polls. You'll be linking jstew lindsey graham impressions next.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Why do people continue to pretend as if Jeb is the non-Trump front runner.

Walkers numbers prove to be incredibly impressive with as low of name recondition he has nationwide compared to Bush. Soon as Trump fully fades away Walker is going to start quickly pulling away from the pack.

Dunno. The poll shows Walker winning the "very conservative" demographic by quite a bit. That being said Walker isn't nearly as anti-immigration as Trump, whereas Cruz is. I'd expect both candidates to receive Trump voters after he fails, but Cruz should receive the most.

I agree about Bush though. This isn't 2012, nobody is going to monopolize the airwaves due to a supreme money advantage. Bush is going to have to win this in the trenches, and I haven't seen anything to suggest he can. The only thing that helps him is the ridiculous amount of candidates. If the conservative vote can be split amongst multiple candidates, Bush can come out looking better than he should. It's very likely that Bush won't finish in the top 3 in Iowa, he'll lose SC too...but he could theoretically win NH. The goal should be to ensure he doesn't win one of the first four states...and having 20 candidates makes that hard imo.

 

[B-Dubs]

I know what its from
How about you pick on someone with more than 2 percent in the polls. You'll be linking jstew lindsey graham impressions next.

WELL, I DO DECLARE! I do my own Lindsey Graham impersonations! I don't need some Yankee northerner to do my impersonations for me! The gall! I say to you good sir, the gall you have! Someone get me a sweet tea, I am overheating from the rudeness of it all.

 

[Poodlestrike]

It will never stop being funny that Jindal is polling less than the margin of error.

Realistically, we can't be sure that anybody's planning on voting for him at all.

 

[Retromelon]

This thread is killing me right now
/procuresmintjulip

 

[FiggyCal]

It will never stop being funny that Jindal is polling less than the margin of error.

Realistically, we can't be sure that anybody's planning on voting for him at all.

Why is he running? I can't imagine anyone would want to buy his book either.

 

[User 406]

How do you all feel about #EarnThisDamnVote going around? A movement that wants Dems to make race inequality a campaign focus or they don't vote.

While not voting in the general is mathematically giving the party farthest from you a larger share of the vote, if the Democratic party somehow loses the election due to depressed black turnout I'm putting the blame squarely on the party. Colorblind abstraction isn't gonna cut it forever. Make it fucking clear that racial injustice needs to be met head on, with policies that are deliberately designed to help black people against it, with no masturbatory "but all lives" shit tacked on to soothe hurt white feelings. The Civil Rights Act was almost a half fucking century ago, and in many areas black people are doing worse now than they were then. I don't blame anyone for having run out of patience over constant deflections from our country's very real, deep, and widespread racism.

 

[FiggyCal]

While not voting in the general is mathematically giving the party farthest from you a larger share of the vote, if the Democratic party somehow loses the election due to depressed black turnout I'm putting the blame squarely on the party. Colorblind abstraction isn't gonna cut it forever. Make it fucking clear that racial injustice needs to be met head on, with policies that are deliberately designed to help black people against it, with no masturbatory "but all lives" shit tacked on to soothe hurt white feelings. The Civil Rights Act was almost a half fucking century ago, and in many areas black people are doing worse now than they were then. I don't blame anyone for having run out of patience over constant deflections from our country's very real, deep, and widespread racism.

I don't see why they shouldn't be lobbying republicans too.

 

[Retromelon]

Jindmentum is brewing

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/world/polls-shows-us-presidential-candidate-bobby-jindal-gains-ground-for-iowa-1023373.html

Popularity of Indian-American Bobby Jindal, a Republican presidential aspirant, has increased significantly in the crucial swing State of Iowa

According to the poll, Jindal has a 59 per cent favorability rating against a 12 per cent unfavorability rating.

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[B-Dubs]

Jindmentum is brewing

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/world/polls-shows-us-presidential-candidate-bobby-jindal-gains-ground-for-iowa-1023373.html




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[User 406]

I don't see why they shouldn't be lobbying republicans too.

The fact is, the old Dixiecrat racist voter bloc is still quite alive and well, and one of the big tent parties must cater to them or be electorally irrelevant, and in this era, that's the Republican party. I have no idea what kind of policy fulcrum could cause a CRA style reversal of that bloc's support in today's political landscape. So currently, it's the Democratic party or nothing. Racist white voters and black voters are simply oil and water.

 

[FiggyCal]

I'm all for not voting in protest. But if you were going to protest because the political system isn't representing you, why would you only protest the party that is more likely to be on your side.

I guess what I'm really asking is why couldn't they also have heckled Scott Walker and Jeb! Bush?

 

[East Lake]

To some degree I don't think it's worth speculating about. Democrats will win the black vote overwhelmingly with similar numbers. Aimless twitter activism isn't going to change that.

 

[Macho Madness]

I'm all for not voting in protest. But if you were going to protest because the political system isn't representing you, why would you only protest the party that is more likely to be on your side.

I guess what I'm really asking is why couldn't they also have heckled Scott Walker and Jeb! Bush?

Because they don't pretend to be on their side and take their vote for granted.

 

[User 406]

I'm all for not voting in protest. But if you were going to protest because the political system isn't representing you, why would you only protest the party that is more likely to be on your side.

I guess what I'm really asking is why couldn't they also have heckled Scott Walker and Jeb! Bush?

Black people showing up and heckling Republican candidates would only increase their popularity with their racist supporters. And again, not voting in protest is actually a bad idea, it's just that if anyone really has a good reason to be completely disenchanted with our political process, it's oppressed minorities.

Also, East Lake is right, it's not going to actually amount to anything.

 

[HylianTom]

We tend to get a version of #EarnMyDamnVote every four years, under different phrasing, different issues, etc. It's just that this time, we have Twitter as one of the mediums for the message.

The general election is going to come along, folks are going to realize how absolutely horrible the GOP candidate is, and most (>95%) will come home. It feels dramatic every time around (maybe with the recent exception of 2000's Gore v Bradley; that one seemed pretty docile in comparison), and then things settle-in.

My hope for long-term progressivism? That 2016 isn't close - at least in the electoral college - and that the GOP (and the country as a whole) is forced to move leftward by donors

Spoiler

and by a laser-guided, left-leaning SCOTUS majority

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[Gotchaye]

I'm all for not voting in protest. But if you were going to protest because the political system isn't representing you, why would you only protest the party that is more likely to be on your side.

I guess what I'm really asking is why couldn't they also have heckled Scott Walker and Jeb! Bush?

Consider the Tea Party. They were/are much more active as a force in Republican primaries than in competitive D vs R elections. Republicans in competitive general elections don't even want to be that closely associated with them. The Tea Party was highly effective because it targeted people who were actually likely to be worried about being disapproved of by the Tea Party. When what you want is unpopular among the whole population what you've got to do is form a coalition with people who are less bothered by what you want than most other people are. You get them to push for what you want in exchange for your support. That's how a minority position can end up with majority representation. This is most easily done when you're otherwise in agreement with the people you're trying to coalition with.

 

[FiggyCal]

Black people showing up and heckling Republican candidates would only increase their popularity with their racist supporters. And again, not voting in protest is actually a bad idea, it's just that if anyone really has a good reason to be completely disenchanted with our political process, it's oppressed minorities.

Also, East Lake is right, it's not going to actually amount to anything.

I didn't want to say that though. I respect the movement no matter how small in size it is.

Edit: Also I wouldn't actually support not voting in protest. When I say that I'm all for it; I mean that I understand why people do it.

 

[East Lake]

I don't say it to be defeatist I just suspect there's no real organizational knowledge floating around these protests because they're largely reactive and shouting down Bern isn't going to generate much more than lipservice. He already supports their policies and they don't even realize it.

 

[User 406]

That lip service can still be valuable though. Bernie has certainly walked the walk his whole career, but it's well past time we get past the colorblind whitewashing of political discourse and start openly talking about racial problems in uncoded terms. Yes, we have a problem with racism; no, it's not incumbent upon minority groups to find a solution to it; and yes, we need policies that are directly targeted towards improving the situation for minorities full stop. The candidates should be saying these things at every speech and rally, and if they don't they'll get shouted at until they do.