Retromelon
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Its fox. You mean, 'no one whose mind isn't already made up on this issue' is going to listen to it
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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On
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PhoenixDark
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I'd imagine Mitch McConnell is somewhere shaking his head. The story is ugly, and maybe regular people will give a shit...but once again, they will not support a government shutdown for this shit. Especially with the economy doing decently...why show your ass in public like this.
Aaron Strife
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Bernie Sander's 1979 Documentary on Eugene Debs
"A historical narrative written and produced by Bernard Sanders". Bernie also does the voice recordings for all the direct Debs quotes.
"A historical narrative written and produced by Bernard Sanders". Bernie also does the voice recordings for all the direct Debs quotes.
Retromelon
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Thx will watch
Trump is running a genius campaign. He's got a huge megaphone right now and he's using it to take down each serious GOP candidate one at a time. I'd love for him to knock Walker out before Iowa even votes.
At this point I agree it is brilliant.
I don't know if it is all intentional or if he is playing the "button masher" in a fighting game. The button masher wins, the margianally skilled cries foul because they only understand the game/rules from their limited perspective. Only a truly skilled opponent can react to both the button masher and traditional player. [edit: which the GOP doesn't have]
But you know what regardless of his actual business successes or failures in the past the man is good at marketing, and understands his target market perfectly right now. Giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming a lot of this is calculated (chaos).
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thepotatoman
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The guy that wrote the tweet Hogan retweeted proclaimed to be a GamerGater in his profile too. I like how everything Gamergate does blows back in their face tremendously. Their incompetence has done more for the cause of social justice than most of those SJWs they hate.
RustyNails
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Trump should sign up Hulk Hogan as a part of his cabinet as well.
You know, I actually thought a lot about this and mostly it was that when he started his campaign, Bernie and his team were very focused on the economic message. Between the start of his campaign and Netroots, he spent pretty much all of his time talking economics and political revolution. Up until his campaign started to take off, nobody really knew who Bernie was, so they weren't so aware of his track record, and when he did get more attention, it was largely due to his stances on economics. The result is the lack of marketing to minorities, which is why few of them were drawn into the group of Bernie supporters.
That's not to say his campaign isn't listening. I screenshotted these a few days back when I was trawling around campaign sites.
It was amusing to me (probably super annoying to Cheebo) how Bernie supporters perpetually emphasized how BIG his crowds were, except....his crowds looked like this. While Hillary's crowds looked like this. The Hillary campaign has emphasized from the very beginning with the launch video that 'people' share half the focus, which is why there's actually short videos for latinos, for black people, for gays and lesbians on the channel that feature only a little Hillary. It seems that her campaign's idea is to focus on the diversity of people (rather than sheer numbers) and pull in a strong coalition of voters that way. There's even a video showing how happy her staff was about the gay marriage decision! It's there to let you know that people who share your views work for Hillary. Vox also had an article where they talked about how Hillary staffed up with minorities. She probably knows more than anyone else why she lost in 2008.
But like I said, Bernie's campaign is improving. They put up a new video 3 days ago where Bernie has a segment talking about how he was a civil rights activistand they used a picture of MLK! (lol) What's also good about it is that his campaign video makers have finally learned to add music and closed captions. They're starting to think a bit more about additional demographics.
What really sparked my tour of campaign sites was when I went to Hillary's site to look something up and noticed an "ES" link in the upper right corner. That's when I found the Espanol version of her site, at which I immediately thought, Jeb will have this. And he does! It's actually spiffier than Hillary's. But what's funny is that Marco Rubio doesn't have his site in Espanol. Ted Cruz does though, at which I wondered if that was a Texas thing, but it turns out Rick Perry doesn't have an Espanol version of his site either. The only other two candidates of the ones I checked up on that had Spanish are Ben Carson and O'Malley, which is kind of surprising (Bernie's site does not).
Don't visit Carly Fiorina's site. It's literally a resume, not a campaign site.
Of course this is all just small observations and not wholly based in politics. It's just interesting to see how the candidates' campaigns are doing their digital marketing. Admittedly, in the end, most candidates' sites look like Jeb's, while Hillary's campaign has the benefit of picking a marketing strategy that doesn't need to focus so much on her. The result is this kind of difference:
Republicans are finally catching up in the web design department at least, last cycle around Romney's site still looked dated somehow. That's not to say they learned how to market digitally to the modern web audience. Just look at Ted Cruz. lol
Bernie Sanders explodes a right-wing myth: ‘Open borders? No, that’s a Koch brothers proposal’
I strongly disagree with him there.
I think Reason.com's framing is a little silly tbh. It begins:
I strongly disagree with him there.
I think Reason.com's framing is a little silly tbh. It begins:
lol. Has he ever? I don't see where they were going with that one at all... /s
Or people may actually govern rather than worrying about reelection?
That is true. I guess as long as big money influences politics -- I don't think it'll matter though.
Or people may make some sweet deals and spend a lot of time making connections because they're worrying about getting a new job after this one's finished...
BertramCooper
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I still think that lengthening House terms to four years would be more productive than term limits.
You aren't wrong, at least they'd have a window to get shit done without needing to worry about fundraising. Right now they need to start fundraising the second they get elected to stand a chance of keeping their seats.
Term limits won't do jack shit, if you want to really fix Congress you need real campaign finance reform. Anything else is either a band-aid or blood letting.
Not only this, but congressmen won't have the knowledge base needed to do their jobs and will just wind up leaning on lobbyists even more than they do now.
We dont need a revolving door of inexperience every 4-6 years and like RDreamer said it will be spent making the next lobbying gig. The guy or gal who goes on to lobbying will be replaced by the next gal or guy who will repeat the same thing. Their votes will be based on who they want to get in bed with the moment they leave. The partisanship will be the same or intensify.
They wont care about governing and only what will make them money when they leave. A lot of people in Congress right now don't care about governing with reelection at stake. No term limits wont magically make them start to care. They go in, oppose whoever the president is that isnt their party, collect a paycheck and join the next lobbying gig when they decide they are bored.
They wont care about governing and only what will make them money when they leave. A lot of people in Congress right now don't care about governing with reelection at stake. No term limits wont magically make them start to care. They go in, oppose whoever the president is that isnt their party, collect a paycheck and join the next lobbying gig when they decide they are bored.
Pretty much.
We already have outside organizations literally writing bills that are getting passed. We introduce strict term limits and our legislation is pretty much turned over to those groups.
I just had an argument with my dad (right wing crazy pants) about this. He was wanting term limits and percentage pay based on whether they actually voted on something or just voted "present" or weren't there. He also wanted to cut their pay and benefits and "make sure they're on Obamacare, too!" He said he wants it to be a service job again.
This is why I don't understand right wing reasoning. If you want good people, you don't cut the pay, make sure it can't be a career and then give them percentage of pay based on something pretty arbitrary. That's exactly how you get worse people. They seem to want to do the same shit to teachers, too.
Depressing. Does anybody in American politics actually get into it to change things or make things better then? What needs to happen to actually attract the right people into those roles?
Seems like if you wanted to just make money it would be easier just to focus on the private sector and not distract yourself with politics, outside of wanting a Fox News contributor gig.
PhoenixDark
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Remember when Obama said his administration would end the revolving door for lobbying.
I'm not convinced that most don't.
We could go to the other extreme and have government pay and benefits be competitive with what a private sector job would offer for a congressman plus government funded campaigns. But that would be downright nutty.
I could believe most are idealistic and get into things for the right reasons.
I guess perhaps the better question to ask is, if people are entering politics for the right reasons, how do you then stop people from losing that passion, becoming more motivated by keeping the job rather than governing, and being unduly influenced by commercial interests?
speculawyer
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Wait . . . Trump said good things about Palin TODAY?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-2016-sarah-palin-cabinet-post-120747.html
Holy shit . . . I thought that was some old story from years ago.
How can he have such verbal diarrhea and people still are interested?
I'm sure most of them actually do get into it to change things or make them better.
At least on the democratic side anyway.
I don't say that to be partisan, I just find it a bit harder to say that about republicans when their entire message is that the government sucks and we should have way less of it. I suppose that is trying to change things and make them better, just in a different way that sits weirdly with me and doesn't really fit into the real spirit of that question.
Even then there's probably a lot of republicans that just want things to be better, too. They just have a different version of better.
speculawyer
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Your Prime Minister is Tony Abbott.
Retromelon
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Lel u guys elected a bond villain
Unless he fucks up in the debate or someone manages to out perform him, Trump is our front runner.
I can't believe this.
Neither can I, but here we are. There's no Romney this cycle and Trump is doing a decent job of making himself look inevitable, unless he fucks up he's the guy for the GOP.
I'm from NZ, not Australia.
It's unlikely. Check the 2012 GOP primary for reference. The problem with Trump is he's TOO much of a loose cannon. The dude criticized McCain for being a war prisoner, and you can believe it won't be his last gaffe. Ultimately, as candidates drop out of the race, voters are gonna flock to Bush, Rubio, Walker, etc.
Roland_Gunner
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So you've got the guy whose addicted to pulling women's braids?
This one is a little different due to a lack of Romney. Everyone knew that he would be the guy, everyone else was just a fling. There's no billionaire with infinite money standing behind Trump, that will change the dynamic this go around. Plus, Trump's gaffes are just making him more popular.
Jeb = Romney
I can't believe the GOP are going to outdo their 2012 clownfest. It's really happening.
Poodlestrike
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Here's an idea re: congressional term limits;
Senators remain as-is, but with a 3 term limit. Plenty of time to accumulate experience and pass information on to the junior senators.
Representatives change from 2 to 4 year terms, 2 term limit. Half of the house (selected at random or by state) stays on the 2 year limit for the first term, effectively staggering turnover, so new representatives will have access to, at least, colleagues with 2 years experience.
Senators remain as-is, but with a 3 term limit. Plenty of time to accumulate experience and pass information on to the junior senators.
Representatives change from 2 to 4 year terms, 2 term limit. Half of the house (selected at random or by state) stays on the 2 year limit for the first term, effectively staggering turnover, so new representatives will have access to, at least, colleagues with 2 years experience.
I've said that myself, but I'm not so sure anymore. He's got electoral baggage Romney never did. I don't think Trump will be the guy in the end, he'll eventually say something that will hurt him, but El Yebe! isn't nearly as inevitable as Romney was.
That won't fix anything though. If you want to fix corruption you need to be fixing campaign finance, all this will do is create a more streamlined lobbying strategy.
What needs to be fixed is campaign finance. Term limits is like trying to fix a stab wound to the gut with leeches. All you're gonna do is increase the bleeding.
But... why?
Probably? It would be a slaughter. She'd be laughing all the way to inauguration. Her only fear would be lack of turn out due to how obvious her victory would be.
Yes. That's about as scandalous as NZ politics tends to get.
John Key is probably somewhat similar to Romney in a lot of ways but without the religious bent (which is a huge plus in my book). Had lunch with him a couple of months before he became Prime Minister and met him again a couple of times since - solid enough guy though I don't think he is where he needs to be in his understanding and support of the digital economy.
Poodlestrike
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Prevent effectively permanent incumbency. 3 and 2 terms were just something I picked out of a hat, but the idea is that mandatory turnover isn't so bad.
And part of what enables lobbying is the extraordinarily deep networks superlongterm congresspeople create. This would reduce the effectiveness of lobbying, not enable it.
I'm definitely in the Bush = Romney camp. Bush was the front runner for basically every poll pre-Trump, much like Romney before the rise and fall of every candidate in the Tea Party clown car. Historically, Republicans have always nominated the "next in line," and this cycle it's definitely Bush (most hadn't heard of Walker before the primary, and Rubio isn't white enough).
Jack Remington
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Cup-of-water-gate probably disqualified Rubio tbh.
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