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[Aaron Strife]

Tammy Duckworth up 6 points over Kirk, 42-36

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/07/kirk-unpopular-trails-duckworth.html

With favorables like that, I don't know how he can do to recover except for Tammy to just fall apart on her own, which I don't foresee. She's a good candidate.

ALL HAIL THE DUCK

Illinois and Wisconsin seem like easy pick-ups, I'd peg both of them at Lean D for now.

As long as Hillary wins we just need two more, and PA, FL, OH, and NH could all very well be coin flips.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Illinois and Wisconsin seem like easy pick-ups, I'd peg both of them at Lean D for now.

As long as Hillary needs we just need two more, and PA, FL, OH, and NH could all very well be coin flips.

I've said it before, there's no way Mark Kirk gets re-elected.

 

[Wilsongt]

@marcorubio
Look at all this outrage over a dead lion, but where is all the outrage over the planned parenthood dead babies.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Trump leads Florida primary

Trump leads Bush 26-20. Golden boy Rubio only gets 10.

You can't make this shit up.

 

[Teggy]

Trump leads Florida primary

Trump leads Bush 26-20. Golden boy Rubio only gets 10.

You can't make this shit up.

If both Bush and Rubio are still in the race at the time of the Florida primary I wonder if they are essentially spoiling things for each other.

 

[Snake]

http://aufc.3cdn.net/e6dca770dc6d71f7d2_tgm6bxklu.pdf

New PPP poll: survey finds that there’s strong support nationally for the Iran deal, that voters want their members of Congress to let it move forward, and that there’s no potential political backlash for members who do support the deal.

Yeah but I bet it isn't as popular as Ronald Reagan's Iran Deal. He was The Great Communicator after all.

 

[Oblivion]

Good going, Hilldawg:

“I have seen pictures from them and obviously find them disturbing. Planned Parenthood is answering questions and will continue to answer questions. I think there are two points to make. One, Planned Parenthood for more than a century has done a lot of really good work for women: cancer screenings, family planning, all kinds of health services. And this raises not questions about Planned Parenthood so much as it raises questions about the whole process, that is, not just involving Planned Parenthood, but many institutions in our country.”

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150729/NEWS0605/150729073

UGH.

 

[RustyNails]

I've said it before, there's no way Mark Kirk gets re-elected.

All hail Tammy Duckworth. So proud of her and can't wait for her to do great things in the Senate. Mark Kirk is a blight.

 

[RastaMentality]

@marcorubio
Look at all this outrage over a dead lion, but where is all the outrage over the planned parenthood dead babies.

Where was his outrage over the several cases of dead unarmed black teens?

 

[Oblivion]

Where was his outrage over the several cases of dead unarmed black teens?

lol what

 

[AndyD]

Apparently the GOP has known about those Planned Parenthood tapes for a while. And that lead to some incoherent answers to the question "So why didn't you then investigate this matter earlier?"

But never mind that . . . why now? Some people theorized that having this Planned Parenthood tape story would steal the oxygen away from Donald Trump. And also force him to speak on the topic of abortion, a topic on which he was solidly pro-choice in the past.

But it doesn't look like it worked. Nothing stops the Donald Train.

People also don't want to touch it because it's a sensitive issue that also affects deceased people of all ages. We just don't want to think what happens to bodies after the death of a relative. And organs are useful and save more lives.

Like the hotdog dilemma, we all "know" what's in there but we choose to ignore the details because it's so delicious.

 

[RastaMentality]

lol what

he's angry about his example of false equivalency but the question could be easily shifted to him about something more valid.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Where was his outrage over the several cases of dead unarmed black teens?

Once they're born they don't care.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Where was his outrage over the several cases of dead unarmed black teens?

At the hands of fellow black teens? Because lord knows I don't see the outrage over that, just about anywhere. Real talk.

 

[Plinko]

Trump leads Florida primary

Trump leads Bush 26-20. Golden boy Rubio only gets 10.

You can't make this shit up.

*Dances*

 

[Coriolanus]

At the hands of fellow black teens? Because lord knows I don't see the outrage over that, just about anywhere. Real talk.

He's pointing out how one can easily silence whoever tries to mimic Rubio's stance, is all.

 

[Oblivion]

he's angry about his example of false equivalency but the question could be easily shifted to him about something more valid.

No, I understand. What I meant was that black teens getting shot isn't something Rubio would normally give a shit about to begin with.

 

[ivysaur12]

Chris Moody
Donald Trump just outlined his health care plan live on @CNN: "Repeal and replace with something terrific."

#SomethingTerrific

 

[Chichikov]

#SomethingTerrific

Trump supports single payer!

 

[TheFatOne]

Hey poligaf I know this is probably a dumb question, but I don't follow politics closely. Trump has no chance in hell of becoming the president right? Or even getting the republican nomination right?

 

[Grexeno]

Hey poligaf I know this is probably a dumb question, but I don't follow politics closely. Trump has no chance in hell of becoming the president right? Or even getting the republican nomination right?

President? Probably no chance in hell.

Republican nomination? Looking increasingly likely every day.

 

[Chichikov]

Hey poligaf I know this is probably a dumb question, but I don't follow politics closely. Trump has no chance in hell of becoming the president right? Or even getting the republican nomination right?

Hell no and no, respectively.

Republican nomination? Looking increasingly likely every day.

No way.
Like I wish, that would be hilarious, but there's no chance.

 

[adamsappel]

This just begs for a Flight of the Conchords reference.

I was going to let it go because I didn't think anyone else would get it, but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs_rXxi0zhM

 

[thefro]

No way.
Like I wish, that would be hilarious, but there's no chance.

You'd expect Trump not to get enough delegates to clinch outright but if we go to a brokered convention and Trump gets screwed by the establishment I'd say it's a lock he runs as a third party candidate.

 

[Big Baybee]

At the hands of fellow black teens? Because lord knows I don't see the outrage over that, just about anywhere. Real talk.

Black on black crime has been addressed for decades. Not sure what you mean.

 

[Chichikov]

You'd expect Trump not to get enough delegates to clinch outright but if we go to a brokered convention and Trump gets screwed by the establishment I'd say it's a lock he runs as a third party candidate.

I don't see a brokered convention happening, and again, Trump will never win one.

I really have no idea about the chances of him going 3rd party, a month ago I would've said no way, but who the fuck even know now.

 

[NeoXChaos]

*Dances*

He going to get destroyed in negative ads by Bush if that poll is a week before the FL Primary. He will get destroyed by negative ads well before the primaries. I see no effort of his in spending his money on TV advertisement.

 

[B-Dubs]

I don't see a brokered convention happening, and again, Trump will never win one.

I really have no idea about the chances of him going 3rd party, a month ago I would've said no way, but who the fuck even know now.

If he feels he got forced out by someone other than the voters themselves, he will totally run as a 3rd party. Dude lives for revenge, though it often backfires on him.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Black on black crime has been addressed for decades. Not sure what you mean.

Not really. I've been thinking about making a thread about this and kind of went off on a tangent here. Specifically the intellectual bankruptcy of emotion driven movements like BLM and why I can't stand white liberalism when it comes to race. Still putting my thoughts together.

 

[Big Baybee]

Not really. I've been thinking about making a thread about this and kind of went off on a tangent here. Specifically the intellectual bankruptcy of emotion driven movements like BLM and why I can't stand white liberalism when it comes to race. Still putting my thoughts together.

Do it, would be interesting to follow.

 

[Coriolanus]

He going to get destroyed in negative ads by Bush if that poll is a week before the FL Primary. He will get destroyed by negative ads well before the primaries. I see no effort of his in spending his money on TV advertisement.

And then one shouldn't be surprised if he brings Schiavo up and destroys Jeb right back. This is the problem with his opponents: they also have massive weak points.

 

[The Technomancer]

Not really. I've been thinking about making a thread about this and kind of went off on a tangent here. Specifically the intellectual bankruptcy of emotion driven movements like BLM and why I can't stand white liberalism when it comes to race. Still putting my thoughts together.

Please do

 

[Retromelon]

You better have a lot of legit examples for your thread pd, otherwise prepare for a hundred arguments. U know what, prepare for them anyway

 

[Macho Madness]

They're going to happen anyway. Some feel you can't talk about black on black violence because it takes away from the topic of white cops killing black people. Both are fucked up beyond reason. I'd be interested in reading that topic.

 

[Fenderputty]

Not really. I've been thinking about making a thread about this and kind of went off on a tangent here. Specifically the intellectual bankruptcy of emotion driven movements like BLM and why I can't stand white liberalism when it comes to race. Still putting my thoughts together.

Would read.

 

[PhoenixDark]

They're going to happen anyway. Some feel you can't talk about black on black violence because it takes away from the topic of white cops killing black people. Both are fucked up beyond reason. I'd be interested in reading that topic.

That's the thing though. I reject that argument, which tbh seems less like an actual argument than a shut down of the intellectual thought process.

Cops killing black people is not the main problem in black America, and neither is black on black crime for that matter. They're symptoms of the actual problem, which is socioeconomic in nature. Institutional racism and structural, designed poverty; stuffing people in a box with guns and drugs. But surely we should also talk about personal responsibility and how we can tackle these constructs as well - a discussion that doesn't require a list of demands from white people, but instead requires personal action on our part. But every time someone tries to have that type of comprehensive discussion they're shouted down - either by emotional blacks or white guilt riddled liberals. The Cosby comparison is automatically made, or the comparison to Fox News shit tier race agitators who use "black on black crime/personal responsibility" as an excuse. I have no interest in being compared to strawmen, I want to debate the issue seriously.

And given that reality this forum makes it even harder to have that discussion, due to the players/posters involved; I already know who's going to waltz in the thread with glib retorts, who is going to waltz in attempting to police language and tell me what I can and can't say (more than a few of whom will be white, I might add), etc. It's frustrating. I'm frustrated watching what I deem to be a very low, unimpressive level of discourse garbled into 140 characters of pure emotion. With no solutions or room for debate.

 

[benjipwns]

That's the thing though. I reject that argument, which tbh seems less like an actual argument than a shut down of the intellectual thought process.

Cops killing black people is not the main problem in black America, and neither is black on black crime for that matter. They're symptoms of the actual problem, which is socioeconomic in nature. Institutional racism and structural, designed poverty; stuffing people in a box with guns and drugs. But surely we should also talk about personal responsibility and how we can tackle these constructs as well - a discussion that doesn't require a list of demands from white people, but instead requires personal action on our part. But every time someone tries to have that type of comprehensive discussion they're shouted down - either by emotional blacks or white guilt riddled liberals. The Cosby comparison is automatically made, or the comparison to Fox News shit tier race agitators who use "black on black crime/personal responsibility" as an excuse. I have no interest in being compared to strawmen, I want to debate the issue seriously.

And given that reality this forum makes it even harder to have that discussion, due to the players/posters involved; I already know who's going to waltz in the thread with glib retorts, who is going to waltz in attempting to police language and tell me what I can and can't say (more than a few of whom will be white, I might add), etc. It's frustrating. I'm frustrated watching what I deem to be a very low, unimpressive level of discourse garbled into 140 characters of pure emotion. With no solutions or room for debate.

People aren't even going to want to discuss the real driver behind all our problems: the state.

 

[thepotatoman]

That's the thing though. I reject that argument, which tbh seems less like an actual argument than a shut down of the intellectual thought process.

Cops killing black people is not the main problem in black America, and neither is black on black crime for that matter. They're symptoms of the actual problem, which is socioeconomic in nature. Institutional racism and structural, designed poverty; stuffing people in a box with guns and drugs. But surely we should also talk about personal responsibility and how we can tackle these constructs as well - a discussion that doesn't require a list of demands from white people, but instead requires personal action on our part. But every time someone tries to have that type of comprehensive discussion they're shouted down - either by emotional blacks or white guilt riddled liberals. The Cosby comparison is automatically made, or the comparison to Fox News shit tier race agitators who use "black on black crime/personal responsibility" as an excuse. I have no interest in being compared to strawmen, I want to debate the issue seriously.

And given that reality this forum makes it even harder to have that discussion, due to the players/posters involved; I already know who's going to waltz in the thread with glib retorts, who is going to waltz in attempting to police language and tell me what I can and can't say (more than a few of whom will be white, I might add), etc. It's frustrating. I'm frustrated watching what I deem to be a very low, unimpressive level of discourse garbled into 140 characters of pure emotion. With no solutions or room for debate.

So would you rather debate it in this topic instead?

I'd like to think just the simple fact that you acknowledge the existence of institutional racism would make you be taken far more seriously than the types that get shouted down in those race topics, but I guess I can't say for sure.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Democrats look good based on this.

 

[FiggyCal]

How are we so sure capitalism isn't the problem?

I blame the system.

 

[benjipwns]

Democrats look good based on this.

Especially when you leave out the part where "Suburban" and "Rural" are defined so that combined they make up 2/3rd's of the population. And the Democrats have lost both in three of the last four Presidential elections.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Democrats look good based on this.

Huh. What happened between '96 and 2000?

How are we so sure capitalism isn't the problem?

I blame the system.

It is, but only in a blame game sort of way. Racism against black people being largely rooted in a series of justifications for their mass enslavement. Doesn't really apply as much today, tho, those ideas are pretty well self-perpetuating at this point.

 

[Touchdown]

Trump leads Florida primary

Trump leads Bush 26-20. Golden boy Rubio only gets 10.

You can't make this shit up.

ddd dj;alk jesus take the wheel. This gon' get good.

 

[benjipwns]

Huh. What happened between '96 and 2000?

Gore lost ten points off the two-party vote.

 

[Retromelon]

How are we so sure capitalism isn't the problem?

I blame the system.

People aren't even going to want to discuss the real driver behind all our problems: the state.

 

[PhoenixDark]

So would you rather debate it in this topic instead?

I'd like to think just the simple fact that you acknowledge the existence of institutional racism would make you be taken far more seriously than the types that get shouted down in those race topics, but I guess I can't say for sure.

Honestly I'm not sure that's true, at least based on my personal interaction with BLM folks irl and some stuff I've read. The debates are very limited and focused entirely one a small handful of topics (specifically cop violence). The criticism and debating I'm used to seeing, be it black intelligentsia or modern black writers, is absent.

 

[ivysaur12]

 

[benjipwns]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/07/29/author-on-bill-clinton-he-has-a-blonde-busty-mistress/

He reports some very scandalous stories in the book, including allegations of former President Clinton carrying out liaisons with another women when his wife, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is not around.

“He has a blonde, busty mistress, and she’s been code named Energizer by agents. This is unofficially, but that is what they call her…She comes in to the Chappaqua [NY] home whenever Hillary leaves. The details coordinate to make sure they don’t cross paths. She, unlike Hillary, is very nice to the agents. She’ll bring cookies.”

Kessler also contends the Clinton’s relationship is only based on their desire to return to the White House in 2016.

“Agents say that it’s a business relationship. It’s not a marriage at all. It’s a total fake, like everything else about Hillary. It’s just a big show and a scam.”

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/congr...charged-participating-racketeering-conspiracy

A member of Congress and four of his associates were indicted today for their roles in a racketeering conspiracy involving several schemes that were intended to further the political and financial interests of the defendants and others by, among other tactics, misappropriating hundreds of thousands of dollars of federal, charitable and campaign funds.

Congressman Chaka Fattah Sr., 58, of Philadelphia; lobbyist Herbert Vederman, 69, of Palm Beach, Florida; Fattah’s Congressional District Director Bonnie Bowser, 59, of Philadelphia; and Robert Brand, 69, of Philadelphia; and Karen Nicholas, 57, of Williamstown, New Jersey, were charged today in a 29-count indictment with participating in a racketeering conspiracy and other crimes, including bribery; conspiracy to commit mail, wire and honest services fraud; and multiple counts of mail fraud, falsification of records, bank fraud, making false statements to a financial institution and money laundering.

Typical DemocRAT corruption, hope Congress calls Hillary and Holder to testify on this.

 

[Retromelon]

Please, let us never forget

 

[ivysaur12]

Is Chaka Fattah the name of a fatality