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[ErasureAcer]

Jeb Lund declares that BernieBros don't exist as his friends on Twitter continue to get banned for harassing feminists that say one kind word about Hillary Clinton.

Jeb Lund is weird for having a feud with Jeet Heer of The New Republic while Jeet Heer isn't even aware of it. Lund just writes nasty things about Heer in his articles for reasons no one understands and has never directly communicated with Heer.

Chelsea Clinton just said in Minnesota today that Hillary is a progressive. Just saying something doesnt make it true...hence why I enjoyed the article. Spin is out of control this election...Bernie has people who will vigorously defend him. In the same regards...being a Bernie fan I'm apparently changing all names to that of it's Soviet counterpart. Way too much mud flinging. It would be nice if Hillary and her daughter would stop calling Hillary a progressive.

Part of me wants to see Hillary get the nomination to see her lose as the real progressives dont want anything to do with her. She really is unelectable. Her only hope is Trump and even that might not be enough.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Part of me wants to see Hillary get the nomination to see her lose

part of me wants to fall into a coma until november 9 so i can wake up to you having transformed into goderich, ontario

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

Part of me wants to see Hillary get the nomination to see her lose as the real progressives dont want anything to do with her. She really is unelectable. Her only hope is Trump and even that might not be enough.

What would happen if Sanders gets it and loses? There's literally no "they just weren't liberal enough" excuse left.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

http://primary.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2008/03/spitzer_gets_spitzered.html

Basically you do not want to commit financial fraud in NY. If the AG even sniffs fraud you are assfucked by a giant spiked dildo with no hope for lube.

My mom worked in the consumer and financial fraud division under Spitzer and Cuomo doing these exact kinds of investigations (and now leads a department in Cuomo's financial services department). Can confirm: they use all kinds of undercover ops and tricks and have WIDE authority to investigate if even a trace of the money is in NY.

Can also confirm that Spitzer was way harder on Wall Street than Cuomo ever was.

 

[Hammer24]

I want Rubio to take NH - just to see the Dems shaken up.

 

[And_Gignac]

Erasure pls.

Dont be selfish. A Republican win would translate into a lot of suffering for a lot of people.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

What's really happened is frankly, in many states, the Republican Congressmen and Senator's were to the left of their constituency. I mean, I didn't mind for example Kay Bailey Hutchinson, but to be frank, if I don't mind the Senator from Texas, that mean that person probably actually isn't representing the views of the average Texan all that well.

There was always plenty of right wing crazies - the GOP just didn't have to listen to them so much before the rise of talk radio, FOX News, and the Internet. You could complain about the gay and welfare loving Democrats at a town hall, then make a deal with them in 1985. You can't anymore.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't picture Democrats steering the country where they want it to go as effectively had the roles been reversed. I think conservatives have done a good job net of making decisions in the face of the Obama wave.

Like I said, the problem is, most of Wall Street did was perfectly legal. There were not really any "hey, let's sell shitty mortgages to people on purpose" smoking guns out there.

Have you found someone with federal experience successfully prosecuting elite white-collar crime that agrees with your assessment? Why do you believe this?

There are quite a few individuals with expertise and proven records in the sector like Alayne Fleischmann, Michael Winston, Richard Bowen, studies of various loan samples, DOJ settlements, and so on that suggests the exact opposite of what you're arguing. I honestly don't understand it. Presumably, we can't scapegoat money and say you're being paid to make this argument.

 

[Republic of Ezo]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't picture Democrats steering the country where they want it to go as effectively had the roles been reversed. I think conservatives have done a good job net of making decisions in the face of the Obama wave.



Have you found someone with federal experience successfully prosecuting elite white-collar crime that agrees with your assessment? Why do you believe this?

There are quite a few individuals with expertise and proven records in the sector like Alayne Fleischmann, Michael Winston, Richard Bowen, studies of various loan samples, DOJ settlements, and so on that suggests the exact opposite of what you're arguing. I honestly don't understand it. Presumably, we can't scapegoat money and say you're being paid to make this argument.

There is tons of fraud.

 

[theprodigy]

What would happen if Sanders gets it and loses? There's literally no "they just weren't liberal enough" excuse left.

There is if you're disastermouse!

 

[B-Dubs]

My mom worked in the consumer and financial fraud division under Spitzer and Cuomo doing these exact kinds of investigations (and now leads a department in Cuomo's financial services department). Can confirm: they use all kinds of undercover ops and tricks and have WIDE authority to investigate if even a trace of the money is in NY.

Can also confirm that Spitzer was way harder on Wall Street than Cuomo ever was.

Even watching from the outside that much is obvious.

If I remember right (I was in HS at the time) Spitzer damn near killed Merrill Lynch with it.

 

[User1608]

It's basically the ultimate weapon against financial fraud. Eliot Spitzer used it to fight corruption and then used that rep to become governor, Cuomo did the same and now Schneiderman is doing it as well. The SEC wishes they had a weapon against Wall Street this good. It's like a tactical nuke.



http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/May-June-2004/feature_thompson_mayjun04.msp

There also this small piece on it:



https://www.dechert.com/files/Publication/a4def5dd-77bf-48ae-bead-491bfcb9142c/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/dbeb2852-2e00-49d6-971f-4c2db9674658/FS_2004-04.pdf

It's also what eventually took Spitzer down:



http://primary.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2008/03/spitzer_gets_spitzered.html

Basically you do not want to commit financial fraud in NY. If the AG even sniffs fraud you are assfucked by a giant spiked dildo with no hope for lube.

My god, what fascinating reads. Thanks for sharing the links. Truly scary!

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

What would happen if Sanders gets it and loses? There's literally no "they just weren't liberal enough" excuse left.

There's room to Bernie's left on Israel! (And immigration and guns and a few other things) And clearly going further to the left against Israel will get American moderates more on-board with Socialism.

 

[Officerrob]

Chelsea Clinton just said in Minnesota today that Hillary is a progressive. Just saying something doesnt make it true...hence why I enjoyed the article. Spin is out of control this election...Bernie has people who will vigorously defend him. In the same regards...being a Bernie fan I'm apparently changing all names to that of it's Soviet counterpart. Way too much mud flinging. It would be nice if Hillary and her daughter would stop calling Hillary a progressive.

Part of me wants to see Hillary get the nomination to see her lose as the real progressives dont want anything to do with her. She really is unelectable. Her only hope is Trump and even that might not be enough.

Quit being a child. I think Bernie loses the general if he gets the nomination, but will 100% work for his campaign here in Virginia and hope like hell he wins

 

[User 463088]

This "real" progressive thing is the left's version of the Tea Party "not conservative enough" bull. We make fun of them for doing it, and now part of our party is doing the same damn thing. It's absolutely ridiculous. Hillary is a progressive. She may not be as progressive as you are, but she is still a damn progressive. I agree with Hillary. When in the heck did we decide Bernie Sanders gets to be the gatekeeper of what it means to be a progressive in this country? Where was Bernie Sanders in 2010 helping get the progressive vote out there? Where was he 2014? Hell, where was he in 2012? (Although, one could argue that he was trying to get the progressives to primary the sitting President.)

This is just absolutely asinine that we are doing this. I'm sorry, but it is.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Erasure pls.

Dont be selfish. A Republican win would translate into a lot of suffering for a lot of people.

Blame the Republicans for voting for the Republican. Dont blame me. I'm leaving politics until the next progressive hero arrives should Bernie lose the nomination. Hillary isnt executing anyone in my name...neither are the Republicans should they win. Fuck em.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I'm leaving politics until the next progressive hero arrives should Bernie lose the nomination

i realize you're playing a parody character of yourself at this point, but this is truly spoken like someone who has no idea how organizing actually works

instead of hunkering down and fighting to get "progressive heroes" elected at the local and state levels so that god forbid there's actually a bench of officeholders sharing your values, just immediately give up until the next messiah figure comes along

 

[Officerrob]

Seth has predicted Bernie as the very likely winner, so I'm not really worried on that score.

Good lord, ErasureAcer floods this place with so much crap

Also, the "not progressive enough" is basically just Republican RINO shit. It's embarrassing and we laugh at them when they do it...
Edit: I see adam387 beat me to pointing this out, it's absolutely true.

 

[thcsquad]

I've been hoping for a more full-throated defense of pragmatism from Hillary Clinton, and so far I haven't gotten it. I think given her history with HillaryCare that she's in a unique position to make it. I've been working on the type of debate reply that would make me actually be excited about her candidacy, rather than just support because deep down I know she'd be a good president:

Single-payer healthcare is not a new idea. Democrats, or in your words, the corrupt establishment, have been fighting for single-payer since the New Deal. FDR tried and failed. Truman tried and failed. Ted Kennedy tried several times and failed. I shouldn't have to remind you of the time I tried and failed, Bernie. You were in Congress when opposition to HillaryCare became a rallying cry for the right. We've only made progress when we compromised. If we viewed single-payer universal health care as the only thing worth fighting for, we wouldn't have been able to reach the ? million children covered under the Children's Health Insurance Plan. We wouldn't have been able to reach the ? million people who've gained coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

I know that you're not completely allergic to compromise, Bernie. You're pragmatic enough to vote for the establishment's incremental gains, and you've been a great ally in the Senate. But coming up with the Affordable Care Act took a lot of commitment to compromise on the part of President Obama and his team in crafting the bill, not just begrudging support. Would you have put that much work into a bill that strayed so far from single-payer. I think a single-minded push for single-payer would have been a noble fight, but gotten us nothing in the end, just like every other time. And sorry if this doesn't match your definition of progressive, but I don't think we should sacrifice real progress at the altar of ideological purity.

 

[disastermouse]

There is if you're disastermouse!

Hahahahah! Yeah, I'm left of Bernie. But I'll still vote for him, and I'll vote for Russ Feingold. If Hillary is the nominee, I'll vote for Jill Stein and Russ Feingold.

 

[Retromelon]

Rand paul ended his campaign yesterday. I dont know if anyone else noticed. I know most of you either dont give a shit, or if you've read some of my posts in the past you think I've just been trolling when voicing support for republicans. I truly think it's a sad day for the country when the most thoughtful and realistic man running on the right drops out. He was one of like two people in either party running championing the dismantling of the national security agency, a position that won him considerable admiration from me. With him gone, bernie's the only one left. I know he's shat on obama and some of his ideas are unrealistic, but i like his authenticity and his charming elderly jewishness.
I tip my hat metaphorically to the hilldawgs that can march along unencumbered by her support for the nsa and the tremendous donations she's taken from banks. If elected she'll do some great things. I cannot reason a way to support her at this juncture.

I hope, but do not expect, that this will be the last time i must mourn a campaign this year.
Oh and if you read all that, thx for caring

 

[disastermouse]

This "real" progressive thing is the left's version of the Tea Party "not conservative enough" bull. We make fun of them for doing it, and now part of our party is doing the same damn thing. It's absolutely ridiculous. Hillary is a progressive. She may not be as progressive as you are, but she is still a damn progressive. I agree with Hillary. When in the heck did we decide Bernie Sanders gets to be the gatekeeper of what it means to be a progressive in this country? Where was Bernie Sanders in 2010 helping get the progressive vote out there? Where was he 2014? Hell, where was he in 2012? (Although, one could argue that he was trying to get the progressives to primary the sitting President.)

This is just absolutely asinine that we are doing this. I'm sorry, but it is.

Hillary is not a progressive. She feels for which way the wind is blowing and she follows the crowd and races to the front..

Remember, this is the same Hillary Clinton that blamed homeowners for the 2008 crash at a Wall Street speech.

 

[campfireweekend]

Rand paul ended his campaign yesterday. I dont know if anyone else noticed. I know most of you either dont give a shit, or if you've read some of my posts in the past you think I've just been trolling when voicing support for republicans. I truly think it's a sad day for the country when the most thoughtful and realistic man running on the right drops out. He was one of like two people in either party running championing the dismantling of the national security agency, a position that won him considerable admiration from me. With him gone, bernie's the only one left. I know he's shat on obama and some of his ideas are unrealistic, but i like his authenticity and his charming elderly jewishness.
I tip my hat metaphorically to the hilldawgs that can march along unencumbered by her support for the nsa and the tremendous donations she's taken from banks. If elected she'll do some great things. I cannot reason a way to support her at this juncture.

I hope, but do not expect, that this will be the last time i must mourn a campaign this year.
Oh and if you read all that, thx for caring

Are you really honestly saying you would've supported Rand over Hillary in the general?

What kind of single issue voter are you? Rand's economic ideas are fucking crazy. They would legitimately harm a lot of poor people.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Rand paul ended his campaign yesterday. I dont know if anyone else noticed. I know most of you either dont give a shit, or if you've read some of my posts in the past you think I've just been trolling when voicing support for republicans. I truly think it's a sad day for the country when the most thoughtful and realistic man running on the right drops out. He was one of like two people in either party running championing the dismantling of the national security agency, a position that won him considerable admiration from me. With him gone, bernie's the only one left. I know he's shat on obama and some of his ideas are unrealistic, but i like his authenticity and his charming elderly jewishness.
I tip my hat metaphorically to the hilldawgs that can march along unencumbered by her support for the nsa and the tremendous donations she's taken from banks. If elected she'll do some great things. I cannot reason a way to support her at this juncture.

I hope, but do not expect, that this will be the last time i must mourn a campaign this year.
Oh and if you read all that, thx for caring

Rand is just as irrational as the others, just in different ways. He believes nonsense like the government doesn't have the right to enforce the civil rights act on the private sector. He's right on the issue of the NSA but his anti government views aren't worth what he would dismantle in exchange

 

[JesseEwiak]

Are you really honestly saying you would've supported Rand over Hillary in the general?

What kind of single issue voter are you? Rand's economic ideas are fucking crazy. They would legitimately harm a lot of poor people.

Come on, who cares if poor women can't get abortions if I can have the peace of mind that the NSA isn't reading my emails.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Hillary is not a progressive. She feels for which way the wind is blowing and she follows the crowd and races to the front..

Remember, this is the same Hillary Clinton that blamed homeowners for the 2008 crash at a Wall Street speech.

If Hillary isn't progressive then there are like less than a dozen of people in Washington in either party who are.

 

[Retromelon]

Come on, who cares if poor women can't get abortions if I can have the peace of mind that the NSA isn't reading my emails.

Nice strawman brah. It takes fire and blood to shutter an entrenched federal program. If we allow the government privately observing our data to become normalized, then it will be very hard to ever stop it and our nation will be going to a very bleak place. I love the poor as much as you, i am poor myself, but im not going to watch america inexorably tumble into 1984 without whining about it on the internet.
You think the nsa will voluntarily limit itself? You think they won't grow more voracious for our privacy with the passage of years? Its sad i even need to be saying we shouldn't be compromising our democracy for "safety" on a supposedly liberal forum. Hillary will let this cancer fester and I cannot stand to support that, not for all the supreme court nominations and abortions in the world

Dont let rubio get to u diablos. Its his job to make the incumbent look bad so he can get elected, it doesnt matter whether its true

I am grateful for your support, floyd and icarus.

 

[Diablos]

Holy shit Rubio is such an idiot. How is Obama's speech dividing America you incompetent little muppet??

 

[FloydtheFathead]

Rand paul ended his campaign yesterday. I dont know if anyone else noticed. I know most of you either dont give a shit, or if you've read some of my posts in the past you think I've just been trolling when voicing support for republicans. I truly think it's a sad day for the country when the most thoughtful and realistic man running on the right drops out. He was one of like two people in either party running championing the dismantling of the national security agency, a position that won him considerable admiration from me. With him gone, bernie's the only one left. I know he's shat on obama and some of his ideas are unrealistic, but i like his authenticity and his charming elderly jewishness.
I tip my hat metaphorically to the hilldawgs that can march along unencumbered by her support for the nsa and the tremendous donations she's taken from banks. If elected she'll do some great things. I cannot reason a way to support her at this juncture.

I hope, but do not expect, that this will be the last time i must mourn a campaign this year.
Oh and if you read all that, thx for caring

I read... And I care Retro. I hope you find peace in the next candidate than you did with this one.

 

[Plinko]

Holy shit Rubio is such an idiot. How is Obama's speech dividing America you incompetent little muppet??

He doesn't know, and he doesn't care. The base eats it up.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Nice strawman brah. It takes fire and blood to shutter an entrenched federal program. If we allow the government privately observing our data to become normalized, then it will be very hard to ever stop it and our nation will be going to a very bleak place.

Everyone has to vote their conscience but I'm less concerned about the metaphorical fire and blood required to roll back electronic surveillance and more about the literal fires and bloody resource wars that are going to come about if we don't deal with climate change in a concrete way.

 

[Black Republican]

So Santorum endorsed Rubio and couldnt even name one one accomplishment of his on Morning Joe? hmmm

 

[CCS]

So Santorum endorsed Rubio and couldnt even name one one accomplishment of his on Morning Joe? hmmm

Sorry if this is insensitive, but it's been bugging me for a while and I wanted to ask:

Are you actually a black Republican? Just curious.

 

[Black Republican]

lol no, name of a Jayz/Nas song

 

[CCS]

lol no, name of a Jayz/Nas song

Haha oh I see, thanks for answering

Back on topic, lol at Santorum.

 

[effzee]

He doesn't know, and he doesn't care. The base eats it up.

Yeah I mean at this point anything Obama says or doesn't say is just ammo for these morons to say it is dividing the nation up. The truth and facts don't matter. Everything is dividing the nation up so long as Hillary or Obama say it.

Their base isn't interested in the truth, just their version of the truth. Obama makes speech to make Muslim youth feel a part of America, to not alienate them further, and of course that means he is dividing the American people up.

 

[Diablos]

So Santorum endorsed Rubio and couldnt even name one one accomplishment of his on Morning Joe? hmmm

Any port in the storm. Cruz and Trump are toxic.

 

[User 406]

I like you Retro, but you know damn well that curbing the NSA is not an issue that's going to be on this election's ballot. Nobody from either party is going to offer a basic income, reparations, sanctions on Israel, putting all public education under the federal government, nationalization of the energy sector, repeal of the second amendment, or a host of other policies I badly want, including, yes, curtailing the surveillance state. So in this election, as in every election, I'm voting on the issues that are actually being contested, not abstaining because I wish my other issues were. Not voting transmits no information whatsoever to any party or candidate about why you didn't vote. It just serves to remove your support from other issues you do care about.

 

[Y2Kev]

Yeah I mean at this point anything Obama says or doesn't say is just ammo for these morons to say it is dividing the nation up. The truth and facts don't matter. Everything is dividing the nation up so long as Hillary or Obama say it.

Their base isn't interested in the truth, just their version of the truth. Obama makes speech to make Muslim youth feel a part of America, to not alienate them further, and of course that means he is dividing the American people up.

Jeb actually commended him. I think Rubio is just really a sniveling little shit and we should fear him.

 

[FiggyCal]

Well my biggest problem was the drone program and I couldn't tell which direction Rand Paul was going with it. His problem seemed to be that we killed an American citizen once, but then he said it'd be okay if we used drones domestically. He's a goofy guy. And he's not as consistently libertarian as he should be. I think Noam Chomsky called his vision of libertarianism something like "complete private tyranny".

Like I wonder. The NSA is bad and evil. Sure. But is Rand okay with private companies spying on us and taking our info? Given his stance on the civil rights Act -- I'm thinking probably.

 

[effzee]

Jeb actually commended him. I think Rubio is just really a sniveling little shit and we should fear him.

Jeb, I guess to his own demise, at least has offered some honest responses and shown some level of humanity.

I always wonder if a lot of these nutjobs on the right, if ever elected, would readjust themselves closer to the center as a moderate and all this talk right now is just to excite the base and get their votes? Or are they really this crazy?

Rubio to me comes across as someone who might be just saying whatever he can to get that vote, even if deep down he has a brain and knows its not what he really believes.

I like you Retro, but you know damn well that curbing the NSA is not an issue that's going to be on this election's ballot. Nobody from either party is going to offer a basic income, reparations, sanctions on Israel, putting all public education under the federal government, nationalization of the energy sector, repeal of the second amendment, or a host of other policies I badly want, including, yes, curtailing the surveillance state. So in this election, as in every election, I'm voting on the issues that are actually being contested, not abstaining because I wish my other issues were. Not voting transmits no information whatsoever to any party or candidate about why you didn't vote. It just serves to remove your support from other issues you do care about.

Excellent post.

This is what I tell a lot of my friends and family to whom international politics and foreign policy are the top priority. Most of my family and circle of friends are from the Middle East or South East Asia, and the US's policies and hypocritical stands on Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the rest really ticks them off.

Yet I tell them not voting cause you don't think Dems or Republicans will properly address issues overseas doesn't make a difference to the process, and it also negatively affects the life we do have in this nation by not supporting the causes the Democratic candidates do support.

 

[Plumbob]

Blame the Republicans for voting for the Republican. Dont blame me. I'm leaving politics until the next progressive hero arrives should Bernie lose the nomination. Hillary isnt executing anyone in my name...neither are the Republicans should they win. Fuck em.

"Blame the stampede," said the man who could have helped shut the iron gate.

 

[Makai]

I think there are conservatives on GAF, they just all live in Europe.

 

[Coriolanus]

Not voting transmits no information whatsoever to any party or candidate about why you didn't vote. It just serves to remove your support from other issues you do care about.

And to indicate that maybe parties should adopt programs to determine why the fuck people didnt vote.

Just sayian

 

[Cheebo]

I cannot understand how anyone can waste their time getting worked up about the Dem primary and being mad about Hillary anymore. We are likely going against Rubio. The idea of sending Sanders against Rubio is political suicide.

 

[User 406]

And to indicate that maybe parties should adopt programs to determine why the fuck people didnt vote.

Just sayian

Well, I'm certainly not voting until they do!

 

[FiggyCal]

I cannot understand how anyone can waste their time getting worked up about the Dem primary and being mad about Hillary anymore. We are likely going against Rubio. The idea of sending Sanders against Rubio is political suicide.

Is Trump out of the race?

 

[BSsBrolly]

Is Trump out of the race?

Until he gets a ground game going, he may as well be.

 

[Coriolanus]

Well, I'm certainly not voting until they do!

Way ahead of you, b. o/ o


But for reals, it appears somewhat silly that parties seem not to seek that data out. If that is indeed the case.

 

[Black Republican]

7News/UMass Lowell New Hampshire tracking poll day 4

Dem

1. Sanders 58%
2. Clinton 36% (3+)

Gop

1. Trump 36%
2. Rubio 15% (+3)
3. Cruz 14%.
4. Bush, 8%
5. Kasich 7%
6. Christie 5 %
7. Carson, 4%;
8. Fiorina 3%
   
   undecided 8%.

http://www.whdh.com/story/31137507/...hire-tracking-poll-day-4#.VrNRyaSfiDY.twitter

 

[Y2Kev]

Is Trump out of the race?

Basically. NH must be a decisive win for trump or its over; it'd be a miracle if any of the establishment shits finish ahead of Rubio. That's the only way this train is stopping.