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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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Elaugaufein
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He got 2nd in one of his worst states (ie one where the GOP primary could double for religious nutjob of the year) beating Rubio (who everyone here seems to be terrified of) without any ground game. So this viewpoint seems a little whack. If Trump hadn't run you'd see Cruz first and Rubio or Jeb second depending on just how badly Trump hurt Jebs standing by turning him into his whipping boy and people would be freaking out about that. There is no likely reality in which people in this thread wouldn't freak out about a possible Sanders candidacy.
He got trounced by Cruz and Rubio almost tied him. This, despite leading in the polls. In Rubios case, he was leading by twice as much prior to the actual results. Trump needs to get his shit together or it will be over.
The media always narrative decides who actually won, that determines public perception. Media narrative is Rubio did fantastic and Trump failed. That's just how it is.
Iowa was one of his worst states. He'll look good again after winning New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Except for the fact the entire media narrative will be about Rubio on the rise with all the momentum if he gets second to Trump. We all know that will be the case if it ends up Trump then Rubio then Cruz as the top 3.
Black Republican
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5 more days, if Christie dont make the top 5......yeah he's done. i dont think his cash on hand is much either.
Despite his attacks i dont think him and Bush can stop his movement.
Despite his attacks i dont think him and Bush can stop his movement.
That's an O'Malley silhouette. Cold.
He remains Unidentified.
Coriolanus
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Man.
Its gon be so awesome when Don feels legit threatened and offers a vp spot to cruz.
Its gon be so awesome when Don feels legit threatened and offers a vp spot to cruz.
Yep. It's bizarre seeing how many people here are still in denial. The Republican primary is OVER. The writing is on the wall. It's Rubio.
Trump will be clogging the airwaves with stuff like this:
Trump will say something dramatic about Rubio and the media will spend more time talking about that than Rubio's rise.
Except the media isn't covering that stuff anymore. All you see now is glowing coverage of Rubio. Rubio is getting far more attention now than Trump. Trump seems to already be treated as an after thought.
Not to mention Trump going at Cruz and not Rubio just helps Rubios continued rise. Rubio is the main threat for second to Trump in NH, not Cruz.
I'm on the Fox News politics pages and it's mostly Trump articles (scroll down).
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters?intcmp=subnav
Trump will win NH handily. He's looking ahead to South Carolina.
I am willing to avatar bet Rubio will finish second and within single digits of Trump. And that the media narrative will be Rubio the big winner just like Iowa. Rubio is going to continue to rise every day through Tuesday.
You sound very distressed, Rubio has a better chance against Hillary since moderate centrists will have a difficult time picking between the two.
How in the world would a moderate centrist find Sanders more appealing than an actual moderate Democrat?
There's no way to clearly measure media narrative. Sounds like you're saying he will win South Carolina, which is better.
This is freaking out. 9% is single digits and would be a very decisive win.
If you are counting on the moderate centrist vote - you gonna have a bad time against Rubio.
Sanders would have that exact same problem. You can't win elections without moderate support. Only a small minority of the country considers themselves liberal, you need centrists to win general elections. In places like Ohio and Virginia. How would Sanders appeal to moderate centrists over Rubio by your estimation?
SC and Nevada are same day, yes? I am willing to bet Rubio wins at least 1 of the 2.
Retromelon
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Now that you've buttered me up lets see what the dispute is
Only because Rand Paul will not be the nominee. The man cares so deeply about this that he spoke for 12 hours straight against it, or however many hours it was. Dont try to tell me that if he was the nominee he wouldn't have introduced legislation.
Hillary wants to preserve the status quo on an issue i feel is of grave import to us all and that's a damn bitter pill to swallow, despite all the good that may or may not come of it. Bernie is the final firewall.
Rubio's stated strategy is pinning his hopes to a first place finish in South Carolina. You don't think it matters if he gets third place?
He isn't finishing third anywhere any time soon.
I'm willing to bet this: Rubio will finish in second in NH, within single digits. And on the Nevada/SC primary day he will finish at least 1st in one of the states and second within single digits in the other.
There's almost no polling in Nevada. I will bet against Rubio getting first in either NH or SC. Keeping my avatar, but will donate $50 to a Republican presidential campaign of your choosing if I lose.
If Rubio is the nominee against Sanders, there is a certain demographic in the Republican field who'd vote for a socialist ahead of establishment or simply choose to stay at home. You fail to see that there is a deep hatred in the base for Mitt Romneys and their ilk.
I'm not afraid of a Rubio nomination in fact I welcome it, I find the whole notion that he is more dangerous than Trump absolutely hilarious. Hillary needs to hope Rubio is the nominee as well, he'd be easier to beat than Trump.
Black Republican
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Ben Carson slashes staff as funds dry up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-dry-up/?postshare=6301454594858753&tid=ss_tw
for the love of god....stop,just stop. You're finished.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-dry-up/?postshare=6301454594858753&tid=ss_tw
for the love of god....stop,just stop. You're finished.
Bel Marduk
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Could you please elaborate on why you think that?
Veritigo_X
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Republicans will fall in line like they always do. The "deep hatred" for the establishment you see now is just the primary process. Come election time they'll plug their noses because any R is better than a D.
I do not think he will win NH so I will take the SC bet. Even though I think it's more likely he will win Nevada of the two I am willing to take the bet. If you win I would be willing to make the same donation, of your choosing.
The candidate I would choose if I win? Ben Carson! No chance of winning and incredibly wasteful with campaign cash. Perfect fit
I just want your avatar for a month
Works for me!I just want your avatar for a month
Cesare Borgia
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Trump is finished. Yes primaries will work for him more than caucuses but he has been exposed. He's been sounding like a bitter loser for days.
Karl Rove of all people is on Trump's side.
Right Rubio will get all the Cruz/Trump/Carson crazies to vote for him in a GE. Especially if you consider the process of him getting the nomination and the type of contention between him and Trump/Cruz in such a situation. It be hilarious. Trump might even run Independent in such a situation.
QuiteWhittle
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Clinton is an actual moderate. Rubio meanwhile is racing in pace with Cruz as the most conservative nominee in the race and he does it with impunity because he's the media's darling and no one calls him out for his desire to start WW3, ban abortion in ALL cases(including to save a woman's life), and rescind gay marriages.
Cesare Borgia
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Are you serious? There may be a few people like that (who is the GAF poster who went from Carson to Sanders?) but it's not a demographic. It's a handful of confused people. Sanders would lose to Rubio. Sanders would lose to just about any republican simply due to being outspent 3-1.
Veritigo_X
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Yes? Why would they vote for some third party loser over a candidate with a chance to win it? Any conservative is better than Hillary Clinton or, god forbid, a real life communist. When presented with those options the choice is easy for the anti-establishment types.
All the big Democrat doners would sit out a Sanders Rubio election and save their money and wait for 2024. I would say a 5 to 1 spending ratio wouldn't be out of the question.
Black Republican
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yeah no matter what happens this month, Cruz aint going anywhere for a while
Christie just started calling him out on this, i think this could work on women moderates
Right. The primaries, the marching, all that is where we try to get the issues we want on the ballot. But at the end of the process, what's left is a single simple choice. One of two platforms will be enacted. And if your issue isn't on either, then it's not part of the choice, and you're walking away from the choices that are actually there for nothing.
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