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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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Officerrob
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I'm all for leaking Sandoval as part of the "game" with Republicans, but I'd be really upset if he was the nominee
Cesare Borgia
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The debates don't matter for Trump. He'll enter the stage as the front runner and exit the stage as the front runner. However this is a huge debate for Rubio. If he folds under pressure perhaps we could see more movement for Kasich. I haven't really been impressed by Rubio and expect he will do decent enough for things not to change.
Cruz is melting. I'm amazed that even Evangelicals don't care that he's the only true believer left. I'm guessing we'll get another bombastic performance of him saying everything the base wants to hear as Trump dazzles them with tricks.
Kasich has to switch things up. It's time to go on the attack; he has to convince the establishment that he's the guy. I wouldn't rip Rubio to shreds though. Kasich should question Rubio's record and lack of accomplishments while also showing he can take on Trump better than Jeb did.
Cruz is melting. I'm amazed that even Evangelicals don't care that he's the only true believer left. I'm guessing we'll get another bombastic performance of him saying everything the base wants to hear as Trump dazzles them with tricks.
Kasich has to switch things up. It's time to go on the attack; he has to convince the establishment that he's the guy. I wouldn't rip Rubio to shreds though. Kasich should question Rubio's record and lack of accomplishments while also showing he can take on Trump better than Jeb did.
VendettaRed07
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Reagan was only allowed to nominate a justice in the last year because it was Kennedy. Who sided with democrats on many issues. This is sort of an equivalent of that. Regardless of his labor views, it's probably a fair appointment
Yep. And being purely pragmatic, going from a 4v4 with 1 potential swing vote to a 3v4 with 2 potential swings is still a positive step.
Kasich isn't touching Trump. I feel like he would go after Rubio. Actually, I feel like most of these establishment dudes aren't scared of Rubes bc they see him as a child.
cartoon_soldier
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Sandoval would be like 10x better than Scalia
Republicans would never approve him because he is Pro-Choice
Actually, I am not even sure why he is a Republican.
Republicans would never approve him because he is Pro-Choice
Actually, I am not even sure why he is a Republican.
NYCmetsfan
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He'd continue to decimate unions, side with businesses in disputes, I know nothing on his use or first amendment jurisprudence, religious liberty, immigrations, 2nd amendment etc.
He'd be a terrible pick.
He's bad on labor and pro-NRA.
cartoon_soldier
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But it's in Texas!
They'll probably be urging him to fart at this point. Mix it up a little.
Elaugaufein
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That just means they'll have to choose wisely.
This gigantic feature coincided with it- http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/nevada-primary-brian-sandoval-213668
There's another game being played here- I think he's flipping parties when he runs for Reid's seat.
He's actively letting himself be used as a weapon against the GOP leadership in the Senate, which he wouldn't do if he'd need their help.
RastaMentality
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Is he pro-Citizens United too? Because people are gonna be pissed if he is.
Also, ignoring his prospects as an actual judge on the court, the politics will be BRUTAL for the GOP. How is it going to play for Mark Kirk, Ron Johnson, or Kelly Ayotte to have them say they aren't even going to meet with a popular latino Republican governor? How is that going to play in the summer after they keep getting hit with it for 3 months? What about 6 months later in the midst of the genera when independents are being courted? They already have an uphill battle and this will play TERRIBLY for moderates.
VendettaRed07
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Yeah this is what I'm thinking. I do t even think they'll approve of him. But there's a chance maybe.
This would be like if the tables were turned and republicans wanted to nominate Jim Webb .. Or somebody like him. Idk, Don't think most democrats would care that he's a democrat officially.
I think this is just his own team trying to leak all of this to increase his star power.
RustyNails
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Sandoval is a trial balloon. No problems vetting him. Appear considering both conservative as well as liberal justices for the job. Make Mitch McConnell answer for politicizing the issue despite a candidate seems to be idealogically republican. Also get a pulse of the democratic base in a centrist choice. 3 birds with one stone. He's not going to nominate him.
cartoon_soldier
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Meh...
UltimaPooh
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Called it.
Has no one learned that Obama's plans or attempts to work across the aisle are always met with a wall.
We're in this still 2017. So enjoy the ride.
This is why Obama's camp have done this. The stupider members of the GOP Senate are going to walk right into it.
I edited my post above- he's actively letting himself be used as a weapon against the GOP leadership in the Senate, which he wouldn't do if he'd need their help. You don't want to be a pariah like Cruz.
Veritigo_X
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Did no one see what happened to Santorum??
You just know Obama's going to be slowly building a case for the Autumn campaign. He's collecting sound bites, stories, evidence - ammunition.
BUNTING1243
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"He's not Trump and I don't hate him?"
UltimaPooh
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But will it be that effective in the GOP losing seats or power?
I don't think so.
We're talking about the American public here. Something else will happen between now and then where this will eventually be a non issue.
Or it drives up voter turnout on both sides.
Fenderputty
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Some fish can't resist a shiny lure.
The last This American Life podcast was fascinating. A black, gay young adult who was adopted by evangelical parents and is a hardcore Trump supporter. The most 'voting against your interests' example of all time, and even more remarkable when the reasoning behind his decisions starts falling apart.
VendettaRed07
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You never really know which way someone who's towards the center might float over time when given the complete political freedom and protection the Supreme Court gives you.
At this point maybe it would just be better to let the republicans run out the clock and try to reap the benefits politically from it in November. We're all fucking dead if Trump wins anyway so might as well plan on Hillary winning and getting to nominate whoever she wants
At this point maybe it would just be better to let the republicans run out the clock and try to reap the benefits politically from it in November. We're all fucking dead if Trump wins anyway so might as well plan on Hillary winning and getting to nominate whoever she wants
UltimaPooh
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I have a homosexual friend who listens to Rush and is always staunchly GOP.
I love him... But sometimes I'm just like dude. Stahp.
Brawndo Addict
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This is some fighting game yomi shit.
I think the most damning thing the GOP has said in the past 24hours is not that they won't even hold hearings (which is historic), but that they won't even SPEAK to the nominee regardless of who it is. Who, beyond the most extreme republican activists, thinks that that is an appropriate position? That quote/soundbite from Mitch McTurtle will be played all year long.
And_Gignac
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I dont think the argument for Sanders is stupid. He has angry white votes that could block a Trump surging in November. I think Clinton is a fairly weak candidate in an election which narrative is pro-outsider, when voters in both spectrums of the electorate are craving for anti-establishment.
Believing that Clinton will just stump on Trump by the power of reasonable debate is delusional, specially with an electorate that is so responsive to emotionally driven campaigning.
Trying to prop up a candidate who has thusfar only been attacked by a pillow from his candidate in the primary as the more "electable" one is one of the most intellectually disingenuous things that Glenn could post, but there it is.
It's a stupid argument. The most attacking Hillary has done to Bernie has been a firm hug.
Well actually my perspective is now that sanders doesn't seem to be able to motivate enough people to vote so I don't get his argument as clearly as I did before. He's exciting a vocal base that's still not turning out in enough proportion to actually get him to win. He's not Obama. There's no movement here. I wish there were because then it'd be an easy choice.
I think the closest thing to an attack I've seen out of her was the "artful smear" comment about the no true Scotsman of progressives thing. And that wasn't an attack. That was calling a spade a spade.
BoboBrazil
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Yep, Bernie would get wrecked in a general election.
What about Obama supporters in 2008 who are now supporting Hillary?
Orbis Tabula
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How close to the election do you think we could be before the GOP excuse of "its too close to the election for a SCOTUS nominee" becomes convincing for the American electorate. Like, people maybe be against waiting now, but in September, I'm willing to bet people would accept it. Have to keep that in mind when considering the GOP delay strategy. The longer they keep it going, the more reasonable it may appear to be to people.
Veritigo_X
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Funny, because I see the opposite happening.
https://twitter.com/thomaskaplan/status/702565243327647744
https://twitter.com/thomaskaplan/status/702565243327647744
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