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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black

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Boke1879

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Dany said:
There is so much to parse when Trump himself says running for president is "a waste of time".

What an IDIOT
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If I was a supporter of his and he said that. I would immediately change my vote. That's just shit you don't say. It doesn't make you look confident and you put the blame on the voters.
 
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shiba5

Member
Dany said:
There is so much to parse when Trump himself says running for president is "a waste of time".

What an IDIOT
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Yeah, no matter what I think of them, this is really disrespectful to his fans. "What a waste of time and money I spent on you."
 
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Kuros

Member
Y2Kev said:
Which is it
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It's gone from 1.2 down to 1.16 meaning her chances have increased from 82% to 85.7%

Betfair is the best place to look however as they have a proper exchange. She's down from 1.25 -> 1.22 today. Paddypower have their overround to look after so their odds always lower than an exchange.

It's all going in the right direction anyway.
 
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Patrick Klepek

furiously molesting tim burton
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

*snip*

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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Bravo.
 
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Fragamemnon

Member
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

I believe in smaller, more responsive government. But I also believe that there are certain things that can only be done at the federal level.
I believe in totally equality under the law. But I also believe that many wrongs against minorities need to be righted.
I believe in a strong military. But I also believe it's not our place or responsibility to intervene everywhere just because we can.
I believe in personal responsibility and the freedom to fail. I also believe that many people really do need help due to no fault of their own and for them we need a strong safety net.

At the federal level, I prioritize foreign policy and economics. For the last 24 years I have voted Republican because I felt they better represented me in those areas.

Before then I was a registered Democrat. I served a term as a Democratic Precinct Delegate and participated heavily in the county party. But, I felt the party had moved away from me in some fundamental ways. When I left, I did NOT join the Republican party. I knew that I didn't agree with them enough to become a card-carrying Republican. Over the years there were Democrats I could have voted for, but none of them ever made it past the primaries.

I might have, probably would have, voted Republican this year for almost any other candidate except Cruz. If it had been Cruz I was going to sit it out. I believe he's a grandstanding jerk and there are many things I don't like about Hilary. But, at the end of the day, I believe they both had a fundamental competency and that America could survive either way.

I do not feel that way about Donald Trump.

Trump is fundamentally unqualified for the Presidency in all the ways I care about. I listed my beliefs earlier and he opposes every single one. His obvious racism aside, he's been consistent on two things this campaign. The first was weakening American military power by withdrawing from the world. We don't need to be the world's police, but we have the ability and obligation to ourselves and our allies to be there when needed. I could never figure out how Trump expected to fight ISIS when he wants to close overseas bases and gut our force projection capabilities. We can't fight terrorism and rogue nation states when we have no allies.

The second thing he's been consistent on is destabilizing the economy. His tariffs would decrease American industry by removing us from the global market. At the same time, they would cause a huge jump in consumer costs with no corresponding increase in wages. Add in other outcomes such as the dollar no longer being the world's reserve currency and our bonds losing value and it's a recipe for disaster.

Republicans say that other, clearer heads will prevail and reign in his worse tendencies. Maybe. But how do you undo the immediate hurt he can cause as President by his words alone? Look at how global markets have reacted to what he has said even before he has the power to implement them. By the time those "clearer heads" can step in, the damage will have been done. And then Trump will move on to the next damaging proclamation

Republicans say "what about the courts"? What about them? Yes, I prefer a Scalia and Thomas to a Ginsberg. But I also know that Hillary will not nominate unqualified people. I may not agree with their judicial philosophy, but so what? The country will survive. Trump has his list and there's some good people on it. I have no faith that he will nominate those people and not nationalists that will support his agenda and be more activist than Republicans accuse the liberal judges as judges being.

Given all this, as well as his racism and anti-LGBTQ stances, I can never vote for Trump. For the first time in 24 years I became active in party politics again. Since August I have given time to my local Democratic Party. First in voter registration in minority areas, then in GOTV canvassing. I know others have done more (a special shout out here to adam387 and his mother), but I'm glad I did my part.

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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This is such a well written and great read and testimonial that I'm quoting it in its entirety so it doesn't get lost in the noise.

Read this people-Americans are good people.
 
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Officerrob

Banned
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

I believe in smaller, more responsive government. But I also believe that there are certain things that can only be done at the federal level.
I believe in totally equality under the law. But I also believe that many wrongs against minorities need to be righted.
I believe in a strong military. But I also believe it's not our place or responsibility to intervene everywhere just because we can.
I believe in personal responsibility and the freedom to fail. I also believe that many people really do need help due to no fault of their own and for them we need a strong safety net.

At the federal level, I prioritize foreign policy and economics. For the last 24 years I have voted Republican because I felt they better represented me in those areas.

Before then I was a registered Democrat. I served a term as a Democratic Precinct Delegate and participated heavily in the county party. But, I felt the party had moved away from me in some fundamental ways. When I left, I did NOT join the Republican party. I knew that I didn't agree with them enough to become a card-carrying Republican. Over the years there were Democrats I could have voted for, but none of them ever made it past the primaries.

I might have, probably would have, voted Republican this year for almost any other candidate except Cruz. If it had been Cruz I was going to sit it out. I believe he's a grandstanding jerk and there are many things I don't like about Hilary. But, at the end of the day, I believe they both had a fundamental competency and that America could survive either way.

I do not feel that way about Donald Trump.

Trump is fundamentally unqualified for the Presidency in all the ways I care about. I listed my beliefs earlier and he opposes every single one. His obvious racism aside, he's been consistent on two things this campaign. The first was weakening American military power by withdrawing from the world. We don't need to be the world's police, but we have the ability and obligation to ourselves and our allies to be there when needed. I could never figure out how Trump expected to fight ISIS when he wants to close overseas bases and gut our force projection capabilities. We can't fight terrorism and rogue nation states when we have no allies.

The second thing he's been consistent on is destabilizing the economy. His tariffs would decrease American industry by removing us from the global market. At the same time, they would cause a huge jump in consumer costs with no corresponding increase in wages. Add in other outcomes such as the dollar no longer being the world's reserve currency and our bonds losing value and it's a recipe for disaster.

Republicans say that other, clearer heads will prevail and reign in his worse tendencies. Maybe. But how do you undo the immediate hurt he can cause as President by his words alone? Look at how global markets have reacted to what he has said even before he has the power to implement them. By the time those "clearer heads" can step in, the damage will have been done. And then Trump will move on to the next damaging proclamation

Republicans say "what about the courts"? What about them? Yes, I prefer a Scalia and Thomas to a Ginsberg. But I also know that Hillary will not nominate unqualified people. I may not agree with their judicial philosophy, but so what? The country will survive. Trump has his list and there's some good people on it. I have no faith that he will nominate those people and not nationalists that will support his agenda and be more activist than Republicans accuse the liberal judges as judges being.

Given all this, as well as his racism and anti-LGBTQ stances, I can never vote for Trump. For the first time in 24 years I became active in party politics again. Since August I have given time to my local Democratic Party. First in voter registration in minority areas, then in GOTV canvassing. I know others have done more (a special shout out here to adam387 and his mother), but I'm glad I did my part.

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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Thanks for taking the time to write this
 
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nature boy

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Nate SilverVerified account
‏@NateSilver538
3) Basically, these 3 cases are equally likely
a—Solid Clinton win
b—Epic Clinton blowout
c—Close call, Trump *probably* wins Elect. Coll.
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ALL BASES COVERED

What an asshole
 
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Plumbob

Member
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

I believe in smaller, more responsive government. But I also believe that there are certain things that can only be done at the federal level.
I believe in totally equality under the law. But I also believe that many wrongs against minorities need to be righted.
I believe in a strong military. But I also believe it's not our place or responsibility to intervene everywhere just because we can.
I believe in personal responsibility and the freedom to fail. I also believe that many people really do need help due to no fault of their own and for them we need a strong safety net.

At the federal level, I prioritize foreign policy and economics. For the last 24 years I have voted Republican because I felt they better represented me in those areas.

Before then I was a registered Democrat. I served a term as a Democratic Precinct Delegate and participated heavily in the county party. But, I felt the party had moved away from me in some fundamental ways. When I left, I did NOT join the Republican party. I knew that I didn't agree with them enough to become a card-carrying Republican. Over the years there were Democrats I could have voted for, but none of them ever made it past the primaries.

I might have, probably would have, voted Republican this year for almost any other candidate except Cruz. If it had been Cruz I was going to sit it out. I believe he's a grandstanding jerk and there are many things I don't like about Hilary. But, at the end of the day, I believe they both had a fundamental competency and that America could survive either way.

I do not feel that way about Donald Trump.

Trump is fundamentally unqualified for the Presidency in all the ways I care about. I listed my beliefs earlier and he opposes every single one. His obvious racism aside, he's been consistent on two things this campaign. The first was weakening American military power by withdrawing from the world. We don't need to be the world's police, but we have the ability and obligation to ourselves and our allies to be there when needed. I could never figure out how Trump expected to fight ISIS when he wants to close overseas bases and gut our force projection capabilities. We can't fight terrorism and rogue nation states when we have no allies.

The second thing he's been consistent on is destabilizing the economy. His tariffs would decrease American industry by removing us from the global market. At the same time, they would cause a huge jump in consumer costs with no corresponding increase in wages. Add in other outcomes such as the dollar no longer being the world's reserve currency and our bonds losing value and it's a recipe for disaster.

Republicans say that other, clearer heads will prevail and reign in his worse tendencies. Maybe. But how do you undo the immediate hurt he can cause as President by his words alone? Look at how global markets have reacted to what he has said even before he has the power to implement them. By the time those "clearer heads" can step in, the damage will have been done. And then Trump will move on to the next damaging proclamation

Republicans say "what about the courts"? What about them? Yes, I prefer a Scalia and Thomas to a Ginsberg. But I also know that Hillary will not nominate unqualified people. I may not agree with their judicial philosophy, but so what? The country will survive. Trump has his list and there's some good people on it. I have no faith that he will nominate those people and not nationalists that will support his agenda and be more activist than Republicans accuse the liberal judges as judges being.

Given all this, as well as his racism and anti-LGBTQ stances, I can never vote for Trump. For the first time in 24 years I became active in party politics again. Since August I have given time to my local Democratic Party. First in voter registration in minority areas, then in GOTV canvassing. I know others have done more (a special shout out here to adam387 and his mother), but I'm glad I did my part.

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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Thoughtful post, thanks.
 
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Trouble

Banned
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.
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Zackat

Member
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

I believe in smaller, more responsive government. But I also believe that there are certain things that can only be done at the federal level.
I believe in totally equality under the law. But I also believe that many wrongs against minorities need to be righted.
I believe in a strong military. But I also believe it's not our place or responsibility to intervene everywhere just because we can.
I believe in personal responsibility and the freedom to fail. I also believe that many people really do need help due to no fault of their own and for them we need a strong safety net.

At the federal level, I prioritize foreign policy and economics. For the last 24 years I have voted Republican because I felt they better represented me in those areas.

Before then I was a registered Democrat. I served a term as a Democratic Precinct Delegate and participated heavily in the county party. But, I felt the party had moved away from me in some fundamental ways. When I left, I did NOT join the Republican party. I knew that I didn't agree with them enough to become a card-carrying Republican. Over the years there were Democrats I could have voted for, but none of them ever made it past the primaries.

I might have, probably would have, voted Republican this year for almost any other candidate except Cruz. If it had been Cruz I was going to sit it out. I believe he's a grandstanding jerk and there are many things I don't like about Hilary. But, at the end of the day, I believe they both had a fundamental competency and that America could survive either way.

I do not feel that way about Donald Trump.

Trump is fundamentally unqualified for the Presidency in all the ways I care about. I listed my beliefs earlier and he opposes every single one. His obvious racism aside, he's been consistent on two things this campaign. The first was weakening American military power by withdrawing from the world. We don't need to be the world's police, but we have the ability and obligation to ourselves and our allies to be there when needed. I could never figure out how Trump expected to fight ISIS when he wants to close overseas bases and gut our force projection capabilities. We can't fight terrorism and rogue nation states when we have no allies.

The second thing he's been consistent on is destabilizing the economy. His tariffs would decrease American industry by removing us from the global market. At the same time, they would cause a huge jump in consumer costs with no corresponding increase in wages. Add in other outcomes such as the dollar no longer being the world's reserve currency and our bonds losing value and it's a recipe for disaster.

Republicans say that other, clearer heads will prevail and reign in his worse tendencies. Maybe. But how do you undo the immediate hurt he can cause as President by his words alone? Look at how global markets have reacted to what he has said even before he has the power to implement them. By the time those "clearer heads" can step in, the damage will have been done. And then Trump will move on to the next damaging proclamation

Republicans say "what about the courts"? What about them? Yes, I prefer a Scalia and Thomas to a Ginsberg. But I also know that Hillary will not nominate unqualified people. I may not agree with their judicial philosophy, but so what? The country will survive. Trump has his list and there's some good people on it. I have no faith that he will nominate those people and not nationalists that will support his agenda and be more activist than Republicans accuse the liberal judges as judges being.

Given all this, as well as his racism and anti-LGBTQ stances, I can never vote for Trump. For the first time in 24 years I became active in party politics again. Since August I have given time to my local Democratic Party. First in voter registration in minority areas, then in GOTV canvassing. I know others have done more (a special shout out here to adam387 and his mother), but I'm glad I did my part.

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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balladofwindfishes

Member
GregLombardi said:
Is Trump an anomaly though? I actually don't know the answer to this question.
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We've noticed no increase in his demographics in voter registration. We have noticed increases in demographics that favor Hillary.

Such a ridiculously high turnout is a good thing. I can't really see how it would be bad, there are more Democrats than Republicans, it's always just been a matter of getting them to the booth.
 
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Wilsongt

Member
Man... Gays supporting Trump. Then I remember I live in SC and there are a lot of rich, stuck-up gays, as well as redneck gays here.
 
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Sanjuro

Member
A note on my voting experience today.

The entire process took about five-seven minutes. Some older white guy who entered after me was asked "What street do you live on?" and answered with his name three times. Somehow, this person managed to be allowed to cut me in line later. He nudged me with his elbow and said "I'm sure this guy doesn't mind."

1. It made me think how absolutely horrific some other voting stations are going to be today.

2. I DID MIND.
 
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MassiveNights

Banned
538 are running a live election night forecast where they put in called states (sourcing ABC news' calls) into a model and then it changes likelihood in other states based on that etc etc.

They won't be making any declarations or predictions themselves.

It launches at 6pm Eastern apparently.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
From a decently smart engineer.

"Well if one disastrous candidate will steal my guns, and the other will not steal my guns. I'll vote for the one who lets me keep them".

Dummies lol
 
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Grief.exe

Member
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

I believe in smaller, more responsive government. But I also believe that there are certain things that can only be done at the federal level.
I believe in totally equality under the law. But I also believe that many wrongs against minorities need to be righted.
I believe in a strong military. But I also believe it's not our place or responsibility to intervene everywhere just because we can.
I believe in personal responsibility and the freedom to fail. I also believe that many people really do need help due to no fault of their own and for them we need a strong safety net.

At the federal level, I prioritize foreign policy and economics. For the last 24 years I have voted Republican because I felt they better represented me in those areas.

Before then I was a registered Democrat. I served a term as a Democratic Precinct Delegate and participated heavily in the county party. But, I felt the party had moved away from me in some fundamental ways. When I left, I did NOT join the Republican party. I knew that I didn't agree with them enough to become a card-carrying Republican. Over the years there were Democrats I could have voted for, but none of them ever made it past the primaries.

I might have, probably would have, voted Republican this year for almost any other candidate except Cruz. If it had been Cruz I was going to sit it out. I believe he's a grandstanding jerk and there are many things I don't like about Hilary. But, at the end of the day, I believe they both had a fundamental competency and that America could survive either way.

I do not feel that way about Donald Trump.

Trump is fundamentally unqualified for the Presidency in all the ways I care about. I listed my beliefs earlier and he opposes every single one. His obvious racism aside, he's been consistent on two things this campaign. The first was weakening American military power by withdrawing from the world. We don't need to be the world's police, but we have the ability and obligation to ourselves and our allies to be there when needed. I could never figure out how Trump expected to fight ISIS when he wants to close overseas bases and gut our force projection capabilities. We can't fight terrorism and rogue nation states when we have no allies.

The second thing he's been consistent on is destabilizing the economy. His tariffs would decrease American industry by removing us from the global market. At the same time, they would cause a huge jump in consumer costs with no corresponding increase in wages. Add in other outcomes such as the dollar no longer being the world's reserve currency and our bonds losing value and it's a recipe for disaster.

Republicans say that other, clearer heads will prevail and reign in his worse tendencies. Maybe. But how do you undo the immediate hurt he can cause as President by his words alone? Look at how global markets have reacted to what he has said even before he has the power to implement them. By the time those "clearer heads" can step in, the damage will have been done. And then Trump will move on to the next damaging proclamation

Republicans say "what about the courts"? What about them? Yes, I prefer a Scalia and Thomas to a Ginsberg. But I also know that Hillary will not nominate unqualified people. I may not agree with their judicial philosophy, but so what? The country will survive. Trump has his list and there's some good people on it. I have no faith that he will nominate those people and not nationalists that will support his agenda and be more activist than Republicans accuse the liberal judges as judges being.

Given all this, as well as his racism and anti-LGBTQ stances, I can never vote for Trump. For the first time in 24 years I became active in party politics again. Since August I have given time to my local Democratic Party. First in voter registration in minority areas, then in GOTV canvassing. I know others have done more (a special shout out here to adam387 and his mother), but I'm glad I did my part.

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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It's unfortunate that the party has moved so far to the right that it has left behind legitimate conservatism.

I'm a huge proponent of the Republican party reforming to a center-right party so we can continue running a legitimate Democracy in this country.

Until that point, you made the right decision by supporting a party that is closer to your beliefs anyways.
 
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Wilsongt

Member
xeris said:
I am a conservative. I am voting for Hillary Clinton.

I believe in smaller, more responsive government. But I also believe that there are certain things that can only be done at the federal level.
I believe in totally equality under the law. But I also believe that many wrongs against minorities need to be righted.
I believe in a strong military. But I also believe it's not our place or responsibility to intervene everywhere just because we can.
I believe in personal responsibility and the freedom to fail. I also believe that many people really do need help due to no fault of their own and for them we need a strong safety net.

At the federal level, I prioritize foreign policy and economics. For the last 24 years I have voted Republican because I felt they better represented me in those areas.

Before then I was a registered Democrat. I served a term as a Democratic Precinct Delegate and participated heavily in the county party. But, I felt the party had moved away from me in some fundamental ways. When I left, I did NOT join the Republican party. I knew that I didn't agree with them enough to become a card-carrying Republican. Over the years there were Democrats I could have voted for, but none of them ever made it past the primaries.

I might have, probably would have, voted Republican this year for almost any other candidate except Cruz. If it had been Cruz I was going to sit it out. I believe he's a grandstanding jerk and there are many things I don't like about Hilary. But, at the end of the day, I believe they both had a fundamental competency and that America could survive either way.

I do not feel that way about Donald Trump.

Trump is fundamentally unqualified for the Presidency in all the ways I care about. I listed my beliefs earlier and he opposes every single one. His obvious racism aside, he's been consistent on two things this campaign. The first was weakening American military power by withdrawing from the world. We don't need to be the world's police, but we have the ability and obligation to ourselves and our allies to be there when needed. I could never figure out how Trump expected to fight ISIS when he wants to close overseas bases and gut our force projection capabilities. We can't fight terrorism and rogue nation states when we have no allies.

The second thing he's been consistent on is destabilizing the economy. His tariffs would decrease American industry by removing us from the global market. At the same time, they would cause a huge jump in consumer costs with no corresponding increase in wages. Add in other outcomes such as the dollar no longer being the world's reserve currency and our bonds losing value and it's a recipe for disaster.

Republicans say that other, clearer heads will prevail and reign in his worse tendencies. Maybe. But how do you undo the immediate hurt he can cause as President by his words alone? Look at how global markets have reacted to what he has said even before he has the power to implement them. By the time those "clearer heads" can step in, the damage will have been done. And then Trump will move on to the next damaging proclamation

Republicans say "what about the courts"? What about them? Yes, I prefer a Scalia and Thomas to a Ginsberg. But I also know that Hillary will not nominate unqualified people. I may not agree with their judicial philosophy, but so what? The country will survive. Trump has his list and there's some good people on it. I have no faith that he will nominate those people and not nationalists that will support his agenda and be more activist than Republicans accuse the liberal judges as judges being.

Given all this, as well as his racism and anti-LGBTQ stances, I can never vote for Trump. For the first time in 24 years I became active in party politics again. Since August I have given time to my local Democratic Party. First in voter registration in minority areas, then in GOTV canvassing. I know others have done more (a special shout out here to adam387 and his mother), but I'm glad I did my part.

There is a good chance I may vote Republican again down the road if they fix their fundamental problems. I have no faith they will do so. I still don't consider myself a Democrat. I do know that I will never vote for any candidate that endorsed or supported Trump, however tepidly.

I don't have a strong ending for this way to long essay. So, I'll just end by saying #IMWITHHER and let's win this today. The world is watching.
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A rare, elusive conservative with well thought out ideals and substance. :3
 
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Mike M

Nick N
Just overheard someone say that they predict Trump will win the popular vote, but Clinton will win the electoral college. And this other guy is going on about how she's a crook and belongs in jail.

Gonna be a looooong day, isn't it?
 
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