Michigan was only a big deal because the polling was so off. This is essentially a tie and even still the narrative is solidified. Clinton had a huge night
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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Michigan was only a big deal because the polling was so off. This is essentially a tie and even still the narrative is solidified. Clinton had a huge night
eBay Huckster
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let me know if it's compatible, because i need those
Basileus777
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Only half of STL City is reporting.
Actually I take back what I said on St Louis City, it looks like someone flubbed the precinct numbers its back to less then 50% reporting, still dont think its enough but it should be closer still.
showed 99% when I looked, it seems they corrected it.
showed 99% when I looked, it seems they corrected it.
Yea but the margin is too tight. She'd have to blow him out of the water in the other half to swing the state.
RustyNails
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Bernie tapped out all other counties. STL and Jackson are the only ones remaining and Hillary is leading in them.
A Human Becoming
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You sound a little bitter there.
You know some of them are walking away millionaires from that convention.
PantherLotus
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Brian Williams just sobered the entire room up with his 'national emergency' caveat.
It's Michigan. They got off easy.
I know, just not by enough. STL city is damn near 50/50. She needs a bigger margin there I think.
AnotherNils
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Someone posted this in the R6 thread:
(Those are operators from Rainbow 6 Siege)
(Those are operators from Rainbow 6 Siege)
Basileus777
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What is wrong with you Kansas City.
Voysa Reezun
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Ryan is the Speaker and is therefore in the unenviable position of having to govern, which means compromise with the Democratic party. He fails the purity test and is anaethema to a signifiant part of the base as a result.
BoboBrazil
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They just need to call MO for Trump.
Trump/Clinton
Bernie and Rubio got wrecked.
Macho Madness
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Maddow wants to jump down this lady's throat
Basileus777
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Hillary crushed Bernie. Trump lost Ohio, but looks poised to win everywhere else and win a lot of delegates from Illinois and Missouri.
They won't because of Jackson County.
Clinton wins probably 4/5 wrapping that whole thing up, Trump wins maybe 4/5 which wraps that all up as well.
Yup.
I've been saying this for months: there is no clean, elegant, painless way out from this trap for the GOP. They've gone too far down the road to the point where they mathematically can't turn around and undo this in time for the convention.
Option #1: Give the nomination to Trump, and watch him go down in certain electoral doom; or..
Option #2: "Steal" the nomination from Trump, and watch a costly segment of his voters swear-off voting for the GOP nominee; or..
Option #3: Run an independent mainstream candidate, effectively re-enacting the Bull-Moose dynamic from 104 years ago.
The general election will still be tremendous work, but Hillary would be greatly favored. If there's a path to victory in November for the GOP, I don't see it. And I've been trying to game this out from many different angles for months.
Oh boy. Time to see salt on Facebook about how Bernie isn't going to give up yet.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I'm glad that Bernie Sanders ran. He pushed for a multitude of ideas that I never thought a candidate winning multiple primaries ever would: tuition free public college, single payer health care, ending police brutality, a progressive tax system well beyond what we have now, ending the death penalty, 12 weeks of paid family leave, a $15 minimum wage, removing the stigma of "socialism", expanding social security, ending corporate welfare, so on and so forth. Well beyond the tepid platitudes I'm used to from the democratic party.
He's 74 years old, spent his entire political career as an independent, has run on a platform of democratic socialism, and is running against the most well-known politician in the world who hasn't already been president (and she has a former president campaigning on her behalf). At face value, Bernie Sanders should have been about as influential as Dennis Kucinich, while Hillary and O'Malley fought for the nomination as "realistic" choices. Yet through his sincerity, passion, conviction and persistence, he made himself into a formidable political force, well beyond the Ron Pauls and Ralph Naders of American politics. Bernie has gone from being a senator from a small state with no national presence to what many people, even Hillary supporters, recognize as a trailblazer for the future of the democratic party.
And, indeed, this sentiment is reflected in voter turnouts. Bernie's won a majority of 18-45 year old voters, despite running against an absolute juggernaut in American politics. If you narrow that down to 18-30 year old voters, Bernie's dominance in the age bracket suggests a complete repudiation of the relatively centrist positions of the mainstream democratic party. For those who value Bernie's ideas, the future of the party looks bright.
Despite Bernie's surprisingly strong performance, it seems it wasn't quite enough. The deep south offered very little support for Senator Sanders, and likely cost him any shot at the nomination. But hopefully, four or eight years from now, we'll see a younger, more marketable class of democratic politicians following in Bernie's footsteps, ready to fight for policies that finally put us on equal footing with the rest of the modern world.
So here's to Bernie, for fighting an important fight and, hopefully, shining a light toward the future of American politics.
And with that, I'm gonna disappear from poligaf for a while. I'm just not excited enough about the nominees to wrap myself in the daily gaffes that ultimately won't stop Trump from getting blown out across the country (and he will). And, frankly, I've been putting a lot of time in here that I should really be putting toward my career and personal relationships. There are a lot more productive ways to spend my time and I'm not passionate enough about Hillary to distract myself with it all. I would say I'll vote for Hillary, but I'm in a safe blue state (California) so I'll probably pull the trigger for Jill Stein just to further drive the point home that younger voters are done with Bill's third way democrats. If there's any reason to believe Trump has even a narrow chance at CA, I'll vote for Hillary happily with no hesitation. I recognize that she's leagues better than anything the republicans could offer. But if Trump taking CA becomes a possibility, we're probably on the verge of committing some sort of genocide and have bigger problems to worry about.
He's 74 years old, spent his entire political career as an independent, has run on a platform of democratic socialism, and is running against the most well-known politician in the world who hasn't already been president (and she has a former president campaigning on her behalf). At face value, Bernie Sanders should have been about as influential as Dennis Kucinich, while Hillary and O'Malley fought for the nomination as "realistic" choices. Yet through his sincerity, passion, conviction and persistence, he made himself into a formidable political force, well beyond the Ron Pauls and Ralph Naders of American politics. Bernie has gone from being a senator from a small state with no national presence to what many people, even Hillary supporters, recognize as a trailblazer for the future of the democratic party.
And, indeed, this sentiment is reflected in voter turnouts. Bernie's won a majority of 18-45 year old voters, despite running against an absolute juggernaut in American politics. If you narrow that down to 18-30 year old voters, Bernie's dominance in the age bracket suggests a complete repudiation of the relatively centrist positions of the mainstream democratic party. For those who value Bernie's ideas, the future of the party looks bright.
Despite Bernie's surprisingly strong performance, it seems it wasn't quite enough. The deep south offered very little support for Senator Sanders, and likely cost him any shot at the nomination. But hopefully, four or eight years from now, we'll see a younger, more marketable class of democratic politicians following in Bernie's footsteps, ready to fight for policies that finally put us on equal footing with the rest of the modern world.
So here's to Bernie, for fighting an important fight and, hopefully, shining a light toward the future of American politics.
And with that, I'm gonna disappear from poligaf for a while. I'm just not excited enough about the nominees to wrap myself in the daily gaffes that ultimately won't stop Trump from getting blown out across the country (and he will). And, frankly, I've been putting a lot of time in here that I should really be putting toward my career and personal relationships. There are a lot more productive ways to spend my time and I'm not passionate enough about Hillary to distract myself with it all. I would say I'll vote for Hillary, but I'm in a safe blue state (California) so I'll probably pull the trigger for Jill Stein just to further drive the point home that younger voters are done with Bill's third way democrats. If there's any reason to believe Trump has even a narrow chance at CA, I'll vote for Hillary happily with no hesitation. I recognize that she's leagues better than anything the republicans could offer. But if Trump taking CA becomes a possibility, we're probably on the verge of committing some sort of genocide and have bigger problems to worry about.
One guy and his wife deliberately went to the Virgin Islands so they could become unbound delegates:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/virgin-islands-john-yob-republican-convention
Rafa=FedKilla
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COUNT MISSOURI.
Right?
cartoon_soldier
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Was Bill in IL today?
Macho Madness
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When you're the only Republican apologist in the room and you have to defend Trump
Ugh, I'm getting sick of the media trying to maintain this Establishment vs. Revolution narrative on the left, particularly CNN.
The bitter Hillary '08 fan in me is remembering this time in '08, when the media was saying it was practically impossible for Hillary to catch up and that she should drop out. Hillary now has more than 3 times the number of delegates Obama did at this point over Sanders, but all you hear is, "Ok ok, Hillary had a great night...BUUUUTT Bernie did good with independents! Is this a sign that Bernie should stay in? We think so."
NO! He should get out!
The bitter Hillary '08 fan in me is remembering this time in '08, when the media was saying it was practically impossible for Hillary to catch up and that she should drop out. Hillary now has more than 3 times the number of delegates Obama did at this point over Sanders, but all you hear is, "Ok ok, Hillary had a great night...BUUUUTT Bernie did good with independents! Is this a sign that Bernie should stay in? We think so."
NO! He should get out!
Basileus777
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That would give Trump 52 delegates from the state.
PantherLotus
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Nicole took a fair assessment completely out of context and she's panicking because her party is F U C K E D. Maddow handled herself very well.
Macho Madness
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Yes. He was in Chicago.
Based on UpShot, I think MO and IL can be called for Sanders and Hillary respectively.
Outright?
Macho Madness
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No but she jumped on Maddow saying that Trump voters are a "different breed of Republican primary voter". Nicole made it out to say that it's offensive to call them that, when Maddow meant that they're voters who don't care about the "conservative movement". She wouldn't let Rachel elaborate first.
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If they give Trump the nom, and then he loses the GE, he'd probably go away.
If they kick him out, he's going to take on the GOP until it begs him to stop.
If they kick him out, he's going to take on the GOP until it begs him to stop.
Bro, it's all about that AnastasiaDate.com. Tenderness and beauty bro.
A Human Becoming
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Come on Trump stop Cruz!
Yup.
I've been saying this for months: there is no clean, elegant, painless way out from this trap for the GOP. They've gone too far down the road to the point where they mathematically can't turn around and undo this in time for the convention.
Option #1: Give the nomination to Trump, and watch him go down in certain electoral doom; or..
Option #2: "Steal" the nomination from Trump, and watch a costly segment of his voters swear-off voting for the GOP nominee; or..
Option #3: Run an independent mainstream candidate, effectively re-enacting the Bull-Moose dynamic from 104 years ago.
The general election will still be tremendous work, but Hillary would be greatly favored. If there's a path to victory in November for the GOP, I don't see it. And I've been trying to game this out from many different angles for months.
They should just suck it up and back Trump. He will probably "go down in certain electoral doom", but so will Cruz.
If they back Cruz, the party pushes itself to the far right and will be fucked for years. Trump though will likely be seen as an anomaly, who hijacked the party for one election. Kasich is going nowhere - he'll be a distant third in delegates whatever happens. Rigging it so he's the nominee would be even crazier than backing Cruz.
Macho Madness
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