Because in cases like this it has to be handled completely by the book or conspiracy theories will pop up. The fact they're interviewing Clinton aides, and eventually Clinton herself, means they're closing up and have nothing. If they had something that indictment would have come already.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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Because in cases like this it has to be handled completely by the book or conspiracy theories will pop up. The fact they're interviewing Clinton aides, and eventually Clinton herself, means they're closing up and have nothing. If they had something that indictment would have come already.
Spoiled Milk
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I'm going to stop sticking up for people in this thread. :/
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Have you seen the GOP lately? It's because it has to be through as fuck!
The whole notion that clinton hasn't been indited is because the "Obama whitehouse" doesn't want it and trying to delay it.
pisses the head of the FBI to no end.
So it's the conspiracy theorists and a broken GOP holding up the FBI from letting Hillary continue on with life?
shinra-bansho
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Because we don't live in a world governed by false dichotomy.
eBay Huckster
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on yet another side note, Al Giordano's bringing up a good point on Twitter right now: whether the Sanders CA director stepping down has to do with the demonstrations with horrific optics last week, and not so much because it's yet another downsize
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_/¯Well you don't think there's a conspiracy, you're just worried she'll actually get hit with something. There's nothing we can really do to convince you that she'll be alright. And that's fine it's your opinion. Once she's cleared we'll be able to move on and focus on the GE
TheLostBigBoss
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Was interested in the S4P reddit and looked up some of its stats to make sure my assumption that it's basically been abandoned to the hardcore was correct.
New York was the windup, Pennsylvania and Co. were the deathblows.
New York was the windup, Pennsylvania and Co. were the deathblows.
Orbis Tabula
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I'd have to imagine it's just fleeing a sinking ship. Smart people are gonna bail out, especially if they want to be involved in future political campaigns (or current ones).
eBay Huckster
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Was interested in the S4P reddit and looked up some of its stats to make sure my assumption that it's basically been abandoned to the hardcore was correct.
New York pretty much killed the sub
that pageviews y-axis is making me really angry and i don't know why.
but yeah, NY killed it and the 26th buried it
that too, but maybe he was one of the guys saying "this is a really bad idea" on top of that and it provided an easy way to bail
One other thing that should be pointed out re: Petraeus is that he also knowingly lied directly to the FBI. That's a big no-no. So far we have no proof Hilldawg did such a thing.
edit: Also, too! Even with all the charges against Petraeus (which were way more clear cut than in Hillary's case), he didn't even get jail time! Dude's just on probation for a year or two + a fine.
edit: Also, too! Even with all the charges against Petraeus (which were way more clear cut than in Hillary's case), he didn't even get jail time! Dude's just on probation for a year or two + a fine.
Well there are two concrete outcomes.
Either they recommend that she is indicted or they don't.
From what I've seen, either scenario is a possibility. I wouldn't rule out either one tbh.
TheLostBigBoss
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I can only imagine what Sander's fundraising is going to look like for May, I'm thinking a major downturn, people are leaving and droves at this point and I don't see him being able to continue his past pace of April, which in itself was a huge downturn.
April was ~25 million, I'm going to say that at best he gets around 15 million for May, and the way he is bleeding money I wonder what his California effort is going to look like
April was ~25 million, I'm going to say that at best he gets around 15 million for May, and the way he is bleeding money I wonder what his California effort is going to look like
eBay Huckster
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there are two dichotomous outcomes for tomorrow. either i wake up or i don't.
one of these is substantially more likely than the other.
whyamihere
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Maybe Hillary will slip and fall and die tomorrow.
It's more than likely she won't.
It's more than likely she won't.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Either my all of the atoms in my body will simultaneously phase through the floor in a minute, or they won't.
edit: mmphmgmrmrkggllllh
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Godslay, read this article:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744
Even Giuliani, who would be dying to prosecute Hillary concedes that he'd have a tough time proving she did anything on a criminal level.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744
Even Giuliani, who would be dying to prosecute Hillary concedes that he'd have a tough time proving she did anything on a criminal level.
TheLostBigBoss
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So what was up with that reuters poll or w/e
Actual something or just another bad poll?
Actual something or just another bad poll?
gutter_trash
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http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchel...ronger-candidate-to-defeat-trump-683610179595
video link.
I watched this earlyer, Bernie yells at cloud at around 04:40
shinra-bansho
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There being two possible outcomes is not in question. (The probability of outcomes is an entirely different matter.)
The false dichotomy you present entails that either an ongoing investigation is halted or that there is verity to claims of misconduct.
I thought there wasn't classified info on the server? Or info that was retroactively classified?
Not according to this hack:
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf
Which if you combine with the SF-312 I posted earlier, paints a different picture than I am getting here.
That's what the investigation is for though. Could very well miss the indictment, I won't argue that. I just think that it's being swept under the rug as insignificant, when they are still digging into it without divulging any conclusions as to what they will recommend.
We are both guessing. So you don't have some concrete number or claim that it will or will not happen. I think the evidence out there shows that it's probably more 50/50, than a 90/10 than is being pushed around.
But hey if I'm wrong, I'll own up to it. No shame here.
Not according to this hack:
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/statement_of_the_icig_and_oig_regarding_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf
Which if you combine with the SF-312 I posted earlier, paints a different picture than I am getting here.
That's what the investigation is for though. Could very well miss the indictment, I won't argue that. I just think that it's being swept under the rug as insignificant, when they are still digging into it without divulging any conclusions as to what they will recommend.
We are both guessing. So you don't have some concrete number or claim that it will or will not happen. I think the evidence out there shows that it's probably more 50/50, than a 90/10 than is being pushed around.
But hey if I'm wrong, I'll own up to it. No shame here.
Dubbedinenglish
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When Benjamin G Hazi Esq Jr. III was found dead in Lybia, NY the murder weapon was a pool noodle.
WHO ELSE COULD IT BE BESIDES #KILLARY
WHO ELSE COULD IT BE BESIDES #KILLARY
excelsiorlef
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He mathematically cannot achieve what he claims. He can only get a plurality by the time the convention hits and that would require a fucking miracle.
Dig the sexist dog whistling though with him accusing Mitchell of moaning.
Can Sanders just disappear? He's a horrible face for the American progressive wing
Mens rea is really important to understand regarding this case, and a lot of cases in general
Big difference between "oh those emails were retroactively classified and they were still on my server? ooops" and "hehe the government doesn't know I'm taking classified data and hiding it away!"
edit: even an initial mistake of sending an email with classified data over unclassified means does not mean there was criminal intent, though it can certainly mean there was carelessness.
Big difference between "oh those emails were retroactively classified and they were still on my server? ooops" and "hehe the government doesn't know I'm taking classified data and hiding it away!"
edit: even an initial mistake of sending an email with classified data over unclassified means does not mean there was criminal intent, though it can certainly mean there was carelessness.
Spoiled Milk
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I do need to apologize to everyone in here, and especially to pigeon, after seeing this graph (white resentment toward blacks):
And also experiencing racism, personally, towards me, here in my hometown. Completely shocked me. Most white Republicans are racist on a significant level. Quantitatively.
And also experiencing racism, personally, towards me, here in my hometown. Completely shocked me. Most white Republicans are racist on a significant level. Quantitatively.
The SF-312 lays it out.
Can't be negligent. It's not an excuse. They have people assigned to specifically walk them through what can and cannot be done. They sign off on it, understanding that criminal consequences can come forth from mishandling classified information. In fact the SF-312 I posted earlier was signed by Hillary.
If you also read the prior PDF I posted from the Inspector General, it clearly states that certain emails were not retroactively classified, but born classified.
So I'm just trying to understand where is the disconnect?
What in particular from SF-312 are you having a problem with? Are you saying that because she had classified material on her server she violated point 3? I don't think that's the same as divulging classified material to a party not privy to it. She wasn't sending these emails to her lover like the Petraus situation
Aaron Strife
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I think he means majority of pledged delegates. The idea being that the superdelegates would follow whoever has the pledged majority.
Which frankly, if Bernie did win 66% of the remaining contests and won a majority of pledged delegates, then yeah, he should be the nominee. But.
/pol/ memes are not even worthy of an actual response
some people need to learn that not everything is about your dick & balls
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Do people still not understand how classified information was circulated? People keep acting like if she had a .gov email address it would be all better except you can't send classified information to a .gov address either. Classified information is flagged and couldn't be sent either to the email account she used or to a .gov address - classified information circulates through a closed-email system she didn't even use because she got classified info in hard copy. Basically someone else who was cleared got it through the email system and physically printed it and handed it to her. There are literally released emails where people in the chain specifically talk about how they can't discuss classified info outside of the closed system.
So we have the Inspectors General of the Intelligence Community saying that emails recovered from Hillary's private server contained classified information that was not retroactively classified and was born classified. Combined with her signing off and being briefed on the NDA that lays out in general what the consequences are for mishandling this info. Putting those two together alone, paints a pretty clear picture of what they are investigating.
Not to mention that her IT contractor in Colorado was not cleared to store classified data, which they most likely did.
There is plenty of evidence out there that paints a picture. That's why I think it's a coin toss. I'm not claiming that I know any internals, but it's not just as easy as saying that it's nothing look the other way.
The server wasn't approved. The IT provider wasn't approved. The server was poorly secured. Furthermore, housing that data on a private server that isn't approved is illegal. If someone hacks that private server and retains that info, (which is why Guccifer is significant), that also is likely viewed as negligence and probably could be construed as violating section 3.
That doesn't get started on the retention of emails, which if the missing IT guy's emails turn up classified info, opens another can of worms.
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on yet another side note, Al Giordano's bringing up a good point on Twitter right now: whether the Sanders CA director stepping down has to do with the demonstrations with horrific optics last week, and not so much because it's yet another downsize
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I thought the director had stepped down because they were unhappy with spending priorities, I.e. spending $500k on ads but $0 on "ground game".
Maybe the director was one of those guys on /r/s4p who emails the campaign constantly with their insight into where to spend money and why didn't you spend money here you would have won.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Except it wasn't illegal at the time anyways.
Would you say ISIS could hack her emails?
excelsiorlef
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Oh yeah shit. My bad and agreed.
excelsiorlef
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Lol. Just lol. Anyone who flat out argues that it's hard to tell if Trunp is actually worse than Clinton is a fucking moron.
Which is a title that fits Jill Stein.
Sure, they amended the NARA in 2014. To deal with retention of emails. Not negligent handling of classified info or illegal housing of classified data.
The question is, why was Guccifer extradited to the U.S?
Maybe they wanted Bill Clinton's doodles back?
What's wrong with her nucler energy comment? She's right - no matter where it is it's a threat to everyone.
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