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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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Jack The Nipper
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I can but my vpn was having an issue with it today (randomly) usaully works with my vpn but right now isn't.... may not be fault of gaf though.
watch it for the plot, of course
hope they do their research and there's a scene about courting over a delegate played by her boyfriend
bring the fuckery to a whole new level
Aaron Strife
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I kind of wish it could be over before then tbh.
She'd be about 200 away from the nomination per that article after Tuesday's contests. If she hits her 538 targets she'll only be 60 away after the Puerto Rico primary. Maybe 50 if you factor in outright wins in Indiana and PR.
Would those supers be willing to come out of hiding?
hammysaurusrex
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/r/SFP strategy seems to be ignore the primaries coming up soon and instead focus all energy on California. Sanders will win California (he's only 2% behind!), at which point all the super-delegates will cross over because California is really, really the state the matters most. I dropped by /r/politics, 80% of the front page this morning were just Hillary attacks.
If I were a sociologist I think I would devote my entire research life to reddit - it seems likes gold mine of methods for testing various theories on tribalism.
If I were a sociologist I think I would devote my entire research life to reddit - it seems likes gold mine of methods for testing various theories on tribalism.
I still wish she'd have been able to do it without supers.
Spoiled Milk
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Does Clinton get primaried in 2020? She would be 76 I think by the end of her 2nd term.
Cesare Borgia
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She's 68 years old, will be 69 in October. 69+4 is not 76.
If she gets that close I could see the remaining supers coming out of the woodwork, especially if Trump looks to be wrapping it up.
Chezzymann
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Well I mean it's not much different here. You don't see a lot of trump, cruz, Kasich, or even Bernie supporters round these parts.
Macho Madness
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Depends on what she does in her first term.
If she turns out to be the SECRET REPUBLICAN some think she'll be, then I could see it.
The community of PoliGAF is like, maybe 30 regular posters though. But yeah.
lol 69.
eBay Huckster
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becerra VP confirmed
AntraxSuicide
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My thing is the last quoted part from pigeon. After you have enough pre-K programs, people won't want them to go away. You'll just fund them in other areas instead.
And the obvious reason it won't work is in that interview about it from months ago. If you build a 30 ft wall along the border, you're just going to see a spike in 31 ft ladder sales. Stopping illegal immigration with physical barriers doesn't work. You're just trying to catch smoke with your bare hands.
Yeah, the media's dead-on with the GOP race. Mathematically, Cruz and Kasich exist to swipe the nomination from the popular vote leader. Period. There's a reason Cruz/Kasich are being coy in interviews, because it's outright theft by loophole.
Macho Madness
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I can't help but wonder if it's linked to projects like this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ino-voter-registration-drive-helps-democrats/
It's going to be a big year for registration drives. Especially if Trump is the nominee.
But if that were true, you'd also expect big increases in other big SoCal counties like San Diego.
Oh well. Good if true. Not like CA needed to get any bluer.
People forget but Obama was elected on a message of compromise. It was his "There are no red or blue states" speech in 2004 that propelled him to the spotlight, and in 2008 he really ran on a message of fixing broken Washington and working for all Americans.
Macho Madness
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He's right. There's a tendency among everyone to think they're always right. Over the past several years, I've become a lot more understanding to where I'm not quick to judge why someone disagrees with me and I want to learn why. Just because you think an idea is bad doesn't mean you shouldn't at least listen to it and give it a fair chance. You'll never get anywhere or change minds if you don't listen to the opposition's concerns.
The problem with this in government is that the politicians we elect listen too much to the corporate class instead of their actual constituencies. It's hard to institute change that helps the little guy a lot when the big ones have such loud voices, and changing that is paramount.
Avon Barksdale
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Macho Madness
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Our next primaries are on Tuesday evening.
Is that when Hillary is declared as the nomination?
He's also right about modern activism, I believe. The whole reason Occupy died the way it did is that when they had everyone's attention and people wanted to listen, they had no real solutions. People at least want a suggestion, a direction they can take to solve a problem. It's not enough to just point out a problem, you need to be able to say, "hey, maybe we can fix it if we do this" or "this is the direction we should be looking."
brainchild
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Make sure you include PoliGAF in that research
Yep.
Tribes tend to be small
Macho Madness
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No. That likely will not happen until June 7th in a "official unofficial" capacity (where she will have enough pledged and unpledged delegates to secure the nomination). She's not the official nominee until the Democratic National Convention which takes place July 25-28.
Ah ok, when does the GOP declare their nominee?
He's absolutely right.
The GOP convention is July 18-21.
Macho Madness
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The Republican National Convention will be July 18-21.
Cesare Borgia
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Isn't this what we've been saying for the last half year about Bernie Sanders? I don't see a problem in turning the same mirror on activist groups.
Mrs. Manky
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I'm pretty sure all the black people on PoliGAF have either written a report or performed a talk* or speech or was in a play as Harriet Tubman, or knows a classmate who did the same.
*(I even sang a little bit of "Steal Away" to demonstrate the code she used to communicate to the slaves for my talk. Go elementary school me!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
That page has a full calendar for what states are still left to vote.
The nomination happens at the convention which starts July 25th.
Aaron Strife
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Me too. And I say that as (ostensibly) a Bernie supporter.
It's just annoying because you know she's probably going to finish like, 500 delegates ahead and there will still be ignorant ass people insisting that the superdelegates "rigged" it for her because they didn't all flock to Bernie and deliver him the nomination on a silver platter.
It'll be mere noise in the end, but it's still annoying as hell to deal with. People are so fucking stupid when it comes to politics (on the left and the right) and will just hear what they want to hear. Bernie couldn't have just lost because more people wanted Hillary, he was obviously cheated!
It's similar to the Fox News anchors in 2012 throwing fits early on when they called the election for Obama even though Romney had a popular vote lead. Before any votes from California were called. Fucking numbskulls.
Spoiled Milk
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thanks for reading
Okay, but she's not a secret republican. She's a far left liberal who has survived the left-transition of the democratic party and indeed is a huge supporter of its core tenants, like universal healthcare, clean energy research, increased banking regulation, abortion rights, debt free college, and especially gun control.
So. Back in the real-world: does she get primaried due to existing conceptions? Can she survive the next Sanders?
This would be an argument were it not for historically low gas prices.
Mass transit removes the pain of gentrification. If I can live in Richmond but work in San Francisco, who cares?
He's right, but it goes without saying that there are times when trying to compromise with the uncompromising is wasted effort and breath. He knows that better than most.
Macho Madness
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What's annoying to me is that I would like superdelegates to be gone as much as the next guy but you can't just throw them out now without overhauling the system to make up for it. You'd have to either change the required number to clinch, make some states WTA, etc. You can't just throw them out this cycle because you've deemed them undemocratic and unfair because without them, no candidate will reach the magic number. Weaver is right about that, his intentions are just disingenuous.
No one's going to primary a sitting president, not after what happened to Jimmy Carter.
Of course, but at the same time you should be willing to do so if it means moving your movement forward even a single step. Remember, that he's talking more about activism here. Once you get a seat at the table it means the people who invited you are willing to talk.
Aaron Strife
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Harper's tracking poll of Pennsylvania Senate now has McGinty up 6 over Sestak.
Guess that Obama endorsement did its magic.
Now if only Edwards could win in MD
Guess that Obama endorsement did its magic.
Now if only Edwards could win in MD
Spoiled Milk
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Bernie suggested it.
And I would argue that what happened this primary was something close to primarying a sitting president. Clinton is the sitting nominee. O'Malley was testing the waters of a presidential run but once it was clear that Clinton had more support he definitely booked it out of there. I argue that that's because he is a Democrat who towed the line, not because he got 1%.
Macho Madness
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She'll be primaried if she's unpopular and the party decides she's not going to be re-elected.
Aaron Strife
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Poor O'Malley, he was too good for this sinful earth.
Chezzymann
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I can't wait to laugh at all the people saying theyre the "silent majority" once Hillary blows trump out in the GE. That day will be glorious. Wouldn't be surprised if the people on /R/the Donald spin it to be corruption or something
Macho Madness
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I'm getting married the last day of the DNC. Just realized lol
brainchild
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Didn't know that Sanders was winning over Hispanic voters by a 19 point margin in California
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...california-clinton-sanders-in-close-race.html
They definitely haven't been monolithic this election cycle.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...california-clinton-sanders-in-close-race.html
They definitely haven't been monolithic this election cycle.
brainchild
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