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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam
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Isn't this poll an outlier, though?
Voysa Reezun
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Yeah, it's not 1970 anymore. The new silent majority is actually a coalition of working class minorities and college-educated women.
So far. We'll see once more polling comes in.
Aaron Strife
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Now if only we could get them to vote in every election, not just presidential.
Tranqueris
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Since you started posting in this thread you've become gay too, you just haven't realised it yetalso, I'm not gay. The bisexuals will soon take over
Not gonna lie, poligaf is totally the reason why I've started to unironically refer to Hillary as Queen.
Me last Tuesday, "hells yeah Queen! Get those delegates, get em!"
Macho Madness
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Could be. The sample size and resulting margin of error makes it a statistically irrelevant point. Which is why I expect articles touting it very soon.
balladofwindfishes
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Ahaha I just got a pm on Reddit with a bunch of evidence I was a paid Hillary shill and I should just be honest and fess up.
Oh Lordy.
Oh Lordy.
"Nonsense, I shill for free" would be my response.
brainchild
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I haven't seen any other recent California polls, so I don't know.
hammysaurusrex
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Make sure you include PoliGAF in that research
For sure. This whole thing has been interesting to me - was Obama supporter previously, started out a Sanders supporter this cycle, and only switched over to Hillary in the past couple of months - so I have some exposure to all the echo chambers.
My general take is that all have more similar than dissimilar characteristics in terms of the symptoms and behavior of being echo chambers, but the dissimilar characteristics can certainly be significant.
hammysaurusrex
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"Not only do I not get paid, I pay her!" makes people quite angry.
brainchild
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Didn't realize you were serious, but yeah, that would be interesting. Keep us apprised!
#NotAllShills
Just PM him back and say "even if you're right and I am a paid Hillary shill, and I admitted it to you in PMs, what makes you think anybody else will believe you?"
Anything is better than the real-life Tommy Carcetti.
Except maybe the real-life Claire Underwood, which is what we are getting...
How would Hillary supporters vote in say Canada or the UK though? Even Cameron and Harper would be too liberal, let alone people like Trudeau/Mulcair/Corbyn...
NYCmetsfan
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Not this shit again...
RastaMentality
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Considering many Hillary supporters on here also support Trudeau, this is kind of a ridiculous post.
plagiarize
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Hi there. I'm a Hillary supporter. I voted for the Labour Party in the last three UK general elections.
Most Clinton supporters aren't Clinton supporters because they think Bernie Sanders is too liberal. That's a complete fallacy.
Veritigo_X
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We've got the guy from Norway that thinks America isn't a democracy and now the guy from Canada that thinks Hillary supporters don't support Bernie because he's too liberal...
Last three elections? I am sure one of those is with Tony B-Liar... I mean I see your point, still better than whatever the Tories had but I felt that Blair was a Tory in disguise. Correct me if I am wrong, though. I think the main reason people dislike Bernie is his fans, and sure enough their reactions on reddit speak for themselves.
BUT at the the same, I kind of understand them. These are the downtrodden people who have been time and time again taken for granted be the establishment, with their needs pushed aside for the interests of the 1%. As someone from a lower-middle class background myself, I can understand that pain, especially considering in Canada we have social programs like the health care whereas the Americans do not.
As for America not being a democracy... I think the US of A is devolving into a plutocracy when millionaires and billionaires like Clinton and Trump are the front-leaders in their respective parties. There is a bit of hyperbole here, but this is what it is devolving into.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Socialist, liberal utopia of Europe overwhelmingly prefers Hillary to Bernie, *shrug*
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...n-donald-trump-europe-vote-poll-a6964901.html
Harper is also a racist shithead who ran the Southern Strategy in 2015 so yeah, good fucking luck arguing that Hillary supporters (who are often black) wouldn't vote for Trudeau.
AntraxSuicide
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I don't even want them gone. A candidate should be able to win over the members of the party organization and the base as well. Both are necessary. A populist with no party support is how you get Trump, where the RNC is talking about setting up separate funds to protect themselves down-ticket because they have zero faith in the guy.
Posts like this are insane. Like, actually insane. So divorced from reality that I have to question whether they're in good faith.
Do explain to me who we should be electing, and why. I'll take literally any legitimate, legal, functional reasons. If I read a single dumb platitude, then you've lost me. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Amazing you still remember the code, must have been awesome to hear her as a child
plagiarize
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Anyone who voted for the Tories because Blair supported the war in Iraq is a frigging MORON. Because there is no way on this tiny planet hurtling through space that the Tories wouldn't have stood by George W Bush and done just the same. I'm not familiar with the argument that Tony Blair was really a Conservative in disguise. What legislation and policies did he put forwards to make you feel that way?
Well being best-friends with Bush is one thing, and the war is a huge factor. Do you think Corbyn would have gone through with it? I sincerely doubt it. If was in the UK I would have actually voted for the Lib-Dems. Also, I believe he kept Thatchers anti-union stuff?
People dislike Bernie Sanders for plenty of reasons other than his his die-hard supporters being annoying. A lot of us worry about his electability in a US general election, and plenty more are concerned by how he gives few specifics about his broad policy proposals. Or how he often shows an unwillingness to compromise when compromise is the only thing that gets anything done in US government.
He's not awful, and I'm sure some people would change their vote if we were electing a king instead of a President, but there are plenty of reasons for democrats to not want him as their nominee.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trudeau is pro legalizing marijuana and is anti-war so he's more liberal than Hillary, but those two things seem to be the entire list of differences between the two from what I can I tell.
Spoiled Milk
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Liberal Democrats. Or Tony Blair, again, if that were a choice. I like Tony Blair.
plagiarize
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He was best friends with Clinton too. Corbyn and many others wouldn't have gone through with it, and in retrospect that would have been the right move... but dumping Labour to replace them with another party who would have also gone through with it, was pretty stupid.
The Lib Dems sold out pretty much everyone who supported them during the coalition era... and have basically destroyed themselves for the foreseeable. I do not feel bad about not supporting them.
A lot of his beliefs (like Harper's) are built on the legacy of what Canada is, so that automatically makes even some Conservatives more liberal than Hillary. Yes, harper tried to emulate the GOP near the end of his tenure, but his first four years were pretty decent. I would have voted for Layton, but the Liberals deserved whatever happened during 2011.
plagiarize
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It amazes me how often I have to explain to people that there is much more to choosing to support a politician than looking at whose opinions align closest to your own on major issues.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The Conservatives ran on a platform of racial hatred in 2015 so, uhh, not really sure about the Conservatives being more liberal than the woman whose core supporting group is black people.
Azzanadra sees the real world in terms of fictional television shows.
I see Bernie's loss (when he inevitably loses) like the moment stringer dies or the parallel of Bunny Colvin losing his job in The Wire. Game was rigged from the beggining buddy
So you can probably see why he is divorced from reality.
lol irl
Okay, so actually I think there's an opportunity here for you to hopefully see that you're pretty detached from political reality. Find me these Democrats who support Clinton over Sanders who prefer the Conservative parties in the UK and Canada over more liberal choices. I would bet that it is a minority (even when we only count people who follow politics in those countries)!
You're relying on this sort of thing to do a lot of work here:
But this is not actually how people are deciding which politicians they prefer - they're not somehow ordering everyone on a single left-right axis and then preferring politicians closest to their own position.
Hey, even Obama (who seems to be loved around here) considers The Wire an important artistic work in relaying the realistic of inner city life, so much so that its considered political commentary and Obama actually had a sit down with David Simon.
Also, Bill Clinton said House of Cards is real. This one I'm more iffy on...
Look who got unbanned!
NYCmetsfan
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they're not
Ehh, from what I know about them I'd say no.
NYCmetsfan
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It's clearly Judi Dench's version of M from recent James Bond films.
ArkhamFantasy
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Not really arguing with your other points, but the republicans dont seem to be compromising on anything though right? They try to shut down anything Obama/democrats try to pass.
QuiteWhittle
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No, too left. BNP is closer but even then...
Suikoguy
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I think part of the problem is, people outside the US are less likely to understand our 2 party system. It's basically two pre-formed coalitions.
Depending on the makeup of the Senate and House and which democrats/republicans won their respective primaries will push the coalition in one direction or the other.
Depending on the makeup of the Senate and House and which democrats/republicans won their respective primaries will push the coalition in one direction or the other.
That doesn't excuse Bernie's and his campaigns ideology of purity with no compromise (when it suits him)
Just because the GOP dont want to come together to govern doesn't mean the Democrats should start as well.
Jack The Nipper
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We still have a long way to go and no trump debates has killed a lot of his interest imo
will there be some sort of trump debate any time soon ?
will there be some sort of trump debate any time soon ?
I bet it would blow some peoples' minds to learn that Hillary often wins at the ballot box among self-described "liberals."
Sometimes, voting is based not only on ideological purity, but also the how part of the process. We share the same or remarkably similar goals to Bernie, but disagreement on precisely how to get there.
Sometimes, voting is based not only on ideological purity, but also the how part of the process. We share the same or remarkably similar goals to Bernie, but disagreement on precisely how to get there.
That doesn't make it okay for Democrats to do too. Also, there are times where a hypothetical President Sanders would have to compromise with people within the Democratic Party to get things accomplished. Plenty of elected Dems are moderate or even kind of conservative, he's would need to be able to work with them.
It's worth noting that Obama had to do a lot of compromising with Democrats to get things like health care reform done. Sanders would presumably have to do much more given that the political revolution has failed to materialize.
Something that some of our foreign posters may not really get is that the president can't necessarily rely on the votes of congressmen in his party, and the parties themselves can have a very hard time controlling their members. The Tea Party has been pretty successful at making Republican congressmen all vote together, but this is a new phenomenon and there doesn't seem to be anything like that on the Democratic side. Certainly only a small minority of Democrats in Congress right now would tell you that they support Medicare-for-all. Obviously this changes somewhat if Sanders is swept into office with a huge mandate, but he'd still have a very hard time with red state Democrats who remember what happened after Obamacare.
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