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PoliGAF 2016 |OT5| Archdemon Hillary Clinton vs. Lice Traffic Jam

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Sibylus

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brainchild said:
Uplifting one group while deriding the other.

If you want solidarity, encourage white people to be good allies for people of color instead of calling them pieces of shit.
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What gives you reason to believe coddling white people and throwing "education" at them will create a tidal wave of good allies? Because it hasn't over the course of our history of, you know, owning human beings and oppressing societies of weaker military stature.

Certainly a segment of white folks can be gently nurtured into good allies (they're liable to be the same folks who aren't mortally offended at satire and criticism of the white-dominated system). The rest, though? You're getting off on being righteous if you think coddling their egos and paying them lip service will get results. They have to be dragged into the future, screaming.
 
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Box of Kittens

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On the one hand the Cruz strategy is to try and steal the nomination from Trump. On the other hand, Trump getting the nomination would make Nate Silver look bad, so the media should really report it in a way that's favorable to Cruz.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Box of Kittens said:
On the one hand the Cruz strategy is to try and steal the nomination from Trump. On the other hand, Trump getting the nomination would make Nate Silver look bad, so the media should really report it in a way that's favorable to Cruz.
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Is there allure of being a pundit that strong?
I really don't get Nate this cycle.
 
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brainchild

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Sibylus said:
What gives you reason to believe coddling white people and throwing "education" at them will create a tidal wave of good allies? Because it hasn't over the course of our history of, you know, owning human beings and oppressing societies of weaker military stature.

Certainly a segment of white folks can be gently nurtured into good allies (they're liable to be the same folks who aren't mortally offended at satire and criticism of the white-dominated system). The rest, though? You're getting off on being righteous if you think coddling their egos and paying them lip service will get results. They have to be dragged into the future, screaming.
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Well, the one's that won't coalesce will be phased out eventually, while societal norms will be recalibrated by properly educating our youth.

I'm not a fan of negative reinforcement unless it's absolutely necessary, and at this point, I don't think ridiculing all white people is the answer to showing solidarity.
 
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GregLombardi

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Suikoguy said:
Is there allure of being a pundit that strong?
I really don't get Nate this cycle.
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He got a major prediction wrong, and he doesn't like when he is wrong. The problem with his prediction was that he applied statistics to psychology before the results were clear.

It was bad.
 
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VendettaRed07

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Hilldawg event at the University of Bridgeport tomorrow. Bout to go to that.

Was going to take my girlfriend and some of her friends but the school is overrun with her former Unificationist Church members who might be there, and it would cause some controversy if she and her friends were seen there with a guy :(
 
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Sibylus

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brainchild said:
Well, the one's that won't coalesce will be phased out eventually, while societal norms will be recalibrated by properly educating our youth.

I'm not a fan of negative reinforcement unless it's absolutely necessary, and at this point, I don't think ridiculing all white people is the answer to showing solidarity.
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"Eventually"

The bywords of every prolonged justice my forebears committed.
 
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Box of Kittens

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Suikoguy said:
Is there allure of being a pundit that strong?
I really don't get Nate this cycle.
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What gets me is the implication that the media is being irresponsible by reporting in a way that he believes is beneficial to Trump's campaign coming from someone who spent a long time doing "Trump can't win lol" punditry.
 
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NeoXChaos

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How many are voting on Tuesday?

PA
Roylan
Manmademan
Diablos
Quittle
kess
Samarecarm
Amirox
sdijoseph


CT
Vendetta


I think after that Macho(IN), box of kittens? pigeon, bowdz? Orange and Ivysaur12(CA's) are left to vote.
 
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Bowdz

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Lol, good luck trying to unite the GOP when you have around 27% of the votes from the electorate and you steal it from the guy with almost 50% of the votes. Cruz is giving Trump the most potent line of attack to use.
 
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Box of Kittens

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Cerium said:
Everyone was calling him a prophet after 2012 and he started believing them.

The idea that he was right because he's Nate Silver and not because of the math.
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In his better moments he'll admit that said feat was overrated. The polls were very clear, most states are easy to call anyway, and while he technically got Florida right he basically called it a coin flip (50.3% chance of Obama victory). But, yeah, he seems to have fallen into the pundit trap of thinking his opinions are important because he has a platform.
 
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NeoXChaos

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Nate will go back to the old Nate come general election when all he will have are the numbers.

but first he is going to be swallowing his pride in an article titled "How wrong I was about Trump" with a subtitle " a year ago I predicted a Trump demise based off of the six stages of doom. Why that didn't happen."
 
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Box of Kittens

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NeoXChaos said:
Nate will go back to the old Nate come general election when all he will have are the numbers.

but first he is going to be swallowing his pride in an article titled "How wrong I was about Trump" with a subtitle " a year ago I predicted a Trump demise based off of the six stages of doom. Why that didn't happen."
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Yes, Nate is much better when it's election time and he has numbers to work with. He's been OK with his reporting on primaries as they're happening, although I've generally preferred Sam Wang's work this cycle, as he's done a better job of incorporating the actual delegate math into his projections.

The funny thing about that six stages of doom article was that it was where he came up with a 2% figure for Trump winning the nomination, based on arbitrarily deciding that there were six obstacles facing Trump and arbitrarily deciding that he had even odds of clearing each of these hurdles. A bunch of people then treated this 2% figure as though it had come from his model and was therefore unassailable (which one shouldn't really do with statistical models anyway, but that's another story).
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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125K voters disappear as the empire strikes back in the Empire state. Together we'll keep the rebellion alive. #NYPrimary #ImWithJill
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Note: Those voters likely would have gone to Hillary based on location.

Jill Stein is fucking hilarious, omg.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/722609504135880704

Hillary has a very consistent record & it's not been favorable to women, children, the cause of peace, justice or a sustainable climate.
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https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/721465821072072705

Jill... You've accomplished nothing in your life.

Just because Hillary has two X chromosomes doesn't mean she is part of the change we need. You have an alternative. #ImWithJill
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...........................

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/721103539855101952

Let's remember that the US guaranteed that NATO would not move 1 inch to the east of Germany when we allowed German reunification #DemDebate
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Jill is a Ukraine invasion Truther?

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/720798550360252416
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Wow, Jill has become even more of an embarrassment.
 
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Cerium

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In another couple of decades the Democrats will be taken over by the Jill Stein / Bernie Sanders wing and the Republicans will realign into a moderate center right party and I will switch loyalties.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Quadafi's demise? You mean his savage murder, Hillary. #DemDebate
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I mourn these genocidal dictator's deaths so much.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/720796097866805248

How are you helping stop climate change by taking millions from fossil fuel companies, @HillaryClinton? #DemDebate

*Millions* of dollars in contributions are not a small, trivial amount. #DemDebate
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Dr. Stein has never seen a million dollars of donations in her life, but has a strong ability to judge this.

(Note: Bernie has taken hundreds of thousands in donations from defense contractor employees)

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/720792978080604160

We need to declare a state of emergency now and ban all new fossil fuel infrastructure and exploration. Now. #DemDebate
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I... I don't think this is politically viable....

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/720793387021045761

Democratic Party uses fear to keep voters making excuses for it and trying to justify its actions. Time to leave that abusive relationship.
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Hmm, if Dr. Stein is comparing the Dems to a domestic abuser here, then she should shut up and fuck off, but I can't tell.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/720411630576635904

I support nationalizing & democratizing the Federal Reserve to take control of our economic destiny away from the “too-big-to-fail” banks.
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This is a word salad that means literally nothing. There is no meaning I can parse here.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/719669075719401472

#HillarySoQualified to fake left but really march right.

Let's #GetJillOnTheBallot to break up the oligarchy:
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Dr. Stein seems like an asshole who's unwilling to combat sexism just so she doesn't scare off Bernie Bros.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/718126048764764160

Is this inaccurate statement because Greens, Jill Stein supports both a BAN and label for GMOs?
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Retweeted by Dr. Stein who is just a fucking crazy person I guess?

https://twitter.com/HowieHawkins/status/716060188206358528

Nuclear power plants = weapons of mass destruction waiting to be detonated.
Time to shut them down. #EndNukes
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A super crazy person?

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/715230945679380481
 
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Makai

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Cerium said:
In another couple of decades the Democrats will be taken over by the Jill Stein / Bernie Sanders wing and the Republicans will realign into a moderate center right party and I will switch loyalties.
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This seems impossible. Last I checked, young Republicans were flocking to Trump.
 
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Box of Kittens

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One of the best arguments for nomination Bernie Sanders is that it would piss off Jill Stein. You'd think she'd be happy at the prospect of the Democratic Party moving to the left, but then you'd have fewer people voting for her as a left-wing protest and the Green Party's chances of getting that federal funding for hitting 5% would be even smaller than they already are.
 
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Butts-a-plenty

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Box of Kittens said:
One of the best arguments for nomination Bernie Sanders is that it would piss off Jill Stein. You'd think she'd be happy at the prospect of the Democratic Party moving to the left, but then you'd have fewer people voting for her as a left-wing protest and the Green Party's chances of getting that federal funding for hitting 5% would be even smaller than they already are.
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That is not a good argument at all. I don't care about Jill Stein at all.
 
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Box of Kittens

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Butts-a-plenty said:
That is not a good argument at all. I don't care about Jill Stein at all.
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It wasn't meant to be taken literally. It was more a statement about what I see as the myopia of the Green Party leadership, i.e., they care so much about getting money for the party that they're willing to undermine their own policy goals to do so.
 
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shinra-bansho

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The Fed should just like print a bunch of money and you go line up and collect it every day. Like on the monopoly board. And then nobody would be poor, because everyone would have the same amount of money.

I don't think there are any downsides to this.
 
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Butts-a-plenty

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Box of Kittens said:
It wasn't meant to be taken literally. It was more a statement about what I see as the myopia of the Green Party leadership, i.e., they care so much about getting money for the party that they're willing to undermine their own policy goals to do so.
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Nobody actually pays attention to or cares about the Green Party though...I don't know why we are even discussing them.
 
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sdijoseph

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NeoXChaos said:
How many are voting on Tuesday?

PA
Roylan
Manmademan
Diablos
Quittle
kess


CT
Vendetta


I think after that Macho(IN), box of kittens? pigeon, bowdz? Orange and Ivysaur12(CA's) are left to vote.
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I sent in an absentee ballot for Hillary on Wednesday for the PA primary. The deadline for receiving absentee ballots was 5 PM on Friday, so I'm not sure if it got there in time (I live 3 hours away from the election office).
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Let's also point out they left off the most successful female presidential candidate ever, Jill Stein. #ImWithJill
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Dr. Stein suffers from delusions of grandeur.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/717011893270011904

People are fleeing to the US because of illegal coups like the one Hillary supported in Honduras. -J #DebateWithJill #FinalFive.
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Dr. Stein uncritically repeats DemocracyNow forum talking points. Doesn't understand that most of world lives in crushing poverty. Sad!

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/712094334858846208

The Iranian nuclear deal addressed a threat that does not exist according to all security agencies. -J #DebateWithJill #FinalFive
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????

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/712090636992643072

It's time to reject the lesser evil & fight for the greater good. Retweet if you're in - #ImWithJill. #PrimaryDay
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Dr. Stein takes line from villain in Harry Potter...?

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/709922710533439488
 
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