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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love
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Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Just heard a female anchor on msnbc openly call 45's SC announcement an attempt to distract from the Muslim ban controversy.
balladofwindfishes
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Trump's little tricks aren't working anymore.
balladofwindfishes
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Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I don't want to get my hopes up that the media is starting to get its shit together, but I think the Spicer briefings gave a lot of outlets a dose of reality.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Sounds like a good trap if you ask me!
Announce an absolutely terrible SC nominee, cause an uproar, and distract from the Muslim ban.
The exact thing the GOP always blamed Obama for.
They accused Obama of all of this nonexistent bullshit and now they are using the fucking playbook they wrote to use against him.
Dubbedinenglish
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I'm sure all the terrorists have their passports in order too.
balladofwindfishes
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The thing is, people are already protesting. So they'll just protest the SC nominee and the ban at the same time, because they're already out there anyway.
And now he's directly antagonizing protesters, which will just add to their numbers and make them stronger.
He's directly antagonizing the media. They don't like that. Remember when he conned them into giving him a free commercial for his new hotel? And how furious they were at him and the change in tone in the media for a month or so?
Cesare Borgia
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It's not a distraction though. The Muslim ban issue isn't going away, it's big news and protests will continue if Trump pushes ahead.
If anything, someone finally convinced Trump that burning down the house everyday is not a good idea: announcing a conservative SC pick will calm down House/senate republicans and other voices in the party.
nature boy
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Yep.
"Yeah I dunno about the Muslim ban, but did you hear about the Supreme Court pick? Terrific."
balladofwindfishes
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The thing, though, is that Trump has blown everything up in a week, mobilized liberals and Democrats, and basically handed the reigns to the Democrats to filibuster any of his SC choices for years and not suffer consequences.
metalslimer
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Probably will try to pull out of paris
I think it is about time for house Democrats to call for impeachment and mobilize massive protest in Washington DC. We can't let this shit go on.
Impeach him for what? Doing exactly what he said he would do when elected?
Look, I hate the guy. Every minute he is president makes the world a worse place. We should oppose him with every breath in our bodies. But let's not pretend that this is some form of sneak behaviour - he's been saying all this stuff for over a year now. His voters knew what they were getting, and they wanted it. You can't call for impeachment for the president doing what he said he would do.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This isn't true. If what he did was outside the law, you could. Not saying he did (although if it was proven he ordered Dulles officials to ignore the court order, that would be).
Joe Shlabotnik
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Campaigning on a Muslim ban doesn't make it any less impeachable an offense.
balladofwindfishes
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You know, gotta hand it a bit to W. W had the political capitol, the power, the fear, and the popularity to shift the country into fascism, but he didn't. The factors were perfect in 2001 for a complete dictator takeover in the US.
And yea, we got the Patriot Act, but it could have gone a lot, lot worse had Bush been like Trump.
A Muslim ban isn't an impeachable offense. Implementing the ban isn't illegal until the courts tell him to stop. If he doesn't stop, then he can be impeached.
And yea, we got the Patriot Act, but it could have gone a lot, lot worse had Bush been like Trump.
A Muslim ban isn't an impeachable offense. Implementing the ban isn't illegal until the courts tell him to stop. If he doesn't stop, then he can be impeached.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Because his team wasn't driven by racism, it was by greed.
Trump's team is driven by both.
He can be impeached for a number of things. Impeachment is just an accusation, and he can be accused of overreach of executive power, corruption, aiding the enemy which is Russia and thus treason.
Frank the Great
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Aiding Russia is probably not aiding the enemy for treason purposes. Russia is not our enemy on paper.
And Congress accusing Trump of "aiding the enemy" by aiding Russia would spark an international outrage, in addition to being incorrect. We'd be openly admitting hostility between us and Russia, which would force Putin to react to preserve his image.
Emerson
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You are aware this has literally already happened at Dulles airport? At bare minimum nobody from his administration has instructed Customs to comply with the ban.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Wellll I really really don't want to hand anything to W so I'm not starting now. That administration just figured it needed to go the boiling frog route and also assumed there was some baseline normative standard of decency that you at least needed to pay lip service to. It's not like things were peaches and cream for Muslims in the US post-9/11. Fucking NYC freaked out about a mosque near the WTC eight years ago.
It's more a demonstration of how far below any humane expectation Trump has sunk.
My point was just Plinko's--you can impeach a President for doing what he said he was going to do.
Russia has done more than enough to be considered an enemy of the United States and any western country on earth. In any case, the accusations are meant to instigate an uprising (hopefully peaceful). If millions protest to have orange fascist impeached then republicans in the house will feel forced to do so. Maybe even gleefully.
Frank the Great
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Say what you will about W, but he never demonized Muslims or minorities in his language or rhetoric. He never encouraged or incited racial violence the way Trump does.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Wording aside, colluding with any foreign power to sabotage your opponent's campaign probably falls under an impeachable offense. And maybe treason.
Frank the Great
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Colloquially, sure, they're our enemy. But that's very different from a legal proclamation by our Congress declaring Russia an enemy of the United States.
Cesare Borgia
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He's botching it for sure. Notice how there's been zero talk of legislation? The WH is dominating everything and turning what should have been a productive period into chaos. Imagine if Trump had simply...introduced his tax plan in the first week. And then rolled out his SC choice a week or two later. Entirely different ballgame; surely the ballgame Ryan and McConnell thought they'd be playing right now.
Instead he has basically justified maximum obstruction from democrats and burned his political capitol. I agreed with Sanders' initial, pre inauguration view that if the president wants to work on sensible ideas (infrastructure), democrats should support it. I've been pretty adamant that presidents get a cabinet and that outside of a couple picks (specifically Sessions and DeVos) I didn't expect fireworks. But now, after daily slaps to the face from Trump? Nope. In light of the mass protests? Nope. He's burning down the country and the GOP. At this point, democrats would be setting themselves on fire even if they supported something decent from his agenda.
And no I don't think this is a master plan. This is amateur hour. The EOs being so poorly written proves that. This is about Trump thinking he can simply dominate to victory. Never admit defeat, always declare absolute victory. That's all it is. The problem is that all those fence sitters and moderates who didn't like Hillary Clinton didn't vote for this; this isn't what they thought they'd get. Yea we can call them stupid, and they are...but the point is that everything Trump has done is only appealing to his base. Not even the full base of the Republican Party. This is a disaster and is unsustainable.
And W made it very clear that the Muslim faith wasn't the enemy, I believe he even said so repeatedly just like Obama did.
Bush might have done irreversible damage to the middle-east, a lot which culminated in even worst extremists but what orange bigot it doing will have far worse repercussions.
Frank the Great
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That's certainly an impeachable offense. But it would never happen because it would be too difficult to prove, would destroy electoral integrity and faith in our system probably forever, would require the country to take retaliatory action against Russia, and can probably be tied to other Republicans.
aspiegamer
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Though I know we've already done a couple things that put is into this territory, can we make the use of the AreWeTheBaddies.gif official after withdrawing from the Paris agreement? Saying to the entire world that we refuse to invite persons in need and simultaneously say we're keen on destroying the planet is a pretty potent combination of evil that you'd expect better than out of even a third-world country these days.
A Human Becoming
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If this assessment of Trump's possible nominees is fairly accurate I'm calling my senators to filibuster any that are not Hardimann. They stole that seat and Trump will likely have the opportunity to replace Ginsburg or another leftist judge.
Poodlestrike
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Oh my gos he actually did the regulation thing.
What was that about not taking him literally?
What was that about not taking him literally?
JFC, Trump issued an executive order mandating the elimination of two existing regulations for each new one.
That's not how EOs work, you orange shitbag.
RoguePOTUSStaff claims Trump is leaning towards Hardimann out of spite to Pence, Preibus, and Ryan. Of course that's all completely unverifiable and last I heard that account was suspected of being a deliberate disinformation campaign by Bannon or something?
That's not how EOs work, you orange shitbag.
How'd Hardimann end up in the running anyway? Seems entirely too reasonable a choice for the slate of candidates I understood him to be working from.
RoguePOTUSStaff claims Trump is leaning towards Hardimann out of spite to Pence, Preibus, and Ryan. Of course that's all completely unverifiable and last I heard that account was suspected of being a deliberate disinformation campaign by Bannon or something?
Basically decrees at this point.
balladofwindfishes
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He can't tell Congress what to do via EO, so they're not going to follow this, lol
As for actual agencies, they have decades of junk old outdated regulations they can pick off before anyone even starts noticing, so what's even the point? If he wants to clear the books of Model T and Switchboard regulations... he could just state as such, not some dumb kindergarten policy thing.
As for actual agencies, they have decades of junk old outdated regulations they can pick off before anyone even starts noticing, so what's even the point? If he wants to clear the books of Model T and Switchboard regulations... he could just state as such, not some dumb kindergarten policy thing.
VendettaRed07
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Can we start challenging some of this EO's please. Like now.
Joe Shlabotnik
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This is like a bizarro version of Tenacious D's City Hall
balladofwindfishes
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They are being challenged. Challenging these in court takes time.
I agree. I'm thinking of a SFW version that ends after "today".
StopMakingSense
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To expand upon this, you can be impeached for anything. There is no standard or definition supplied in the Constitution, and 'high crimes and misdemeanors', at the time of writing, basically means 'et cetera'
It is at Congress' sole discretion as to what constitutes an impeachable offense.
If you notice, it says WH decides what goes, the agencies merely suggest.
The crying...definitely the way to show Trump you are serious.
balladofwindfishes
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What did ol' Chuck do this time?
VendettaRed07
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Conservatives stopped going to Starbucks after they canceled Christmas a few years ago.
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