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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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WolfTime

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thoughts?

greatest politician of all time? or mad man that ushered in a new age of imperalism and militarism for Germany?
 
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Ogodei

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WolfTime said:
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thoughts?

greatest politician of all time? or mad man that ushered in a new age of imperalism and militarism for Germany?
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Is that Bismarck?

The man knew what he was doing, but he didn't understand that you needed a constant stream of competent people in order to keep up his brand of realism. Soon after he died, Germany committed to alliance with Austria-Hungary, something the man would have very much opposed. His idea was to keep everyone balanced against everyone else, which meant never really committing to anyone beyond a momentary alliance.

It was a dumb strategy because it's one of those things that assumes "perfectly rational actors" who could continue it, like people who think Microeconomics 101 should rule the world. In theory it could work, but only if everyone was perfectly optimized.
 
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kess

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thepotatoman said:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html

- Republicans shifted 4 points toward Hillary. Democrats shifted 5 points toward Trump. Independents shifted 1 point toward Trump

- Whites shifted 1 point toward Trump. Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians shifted 7 or more points toward Trump.

- 65 and older shifted 4 points toward Hillary. 18-29 year olds shifted 5 points toward Trump.

- People making $100,000 or more shifted 9 points toward Hillary. People making $30,000 or less shifted 16 points toward Trump.


Seems to me that Hillary was slightly successful in chipping away and holding back traditionally conservative blocks outside of males and evangelicals, but for every gain there was a worse loss on democrat strongholds.
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There's that boomer split again. I don't think the political climate is going to get much better in the short term until the younger generations can outvote the whole "Generation Jones" cohort, which has been the electoral core of Republican politics since the 90s.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Trump calls Iraq War veterans killers similar Putin and lies about his opposition to the Iraq War (now even more confusing considering his desire to re-invade Iraq!) in the extended quote about Putin.

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ItWasMeantToBe19

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But his opinion has begun to change with a relentless parade of bad headlines.

Mr. Trump got away from the White House this weekend for the first time since his inauguration, spending it in Palm Beach, Fla., at his private club, Mar-a-Lago, posting Twitter messages angrily — and in personal terms — about the federal judge who put a nationwide halt on the travel ban. Mr. Bannon and Reince Priebus, the two clashing power centers, traveled with him.

By then, the president, for whom chains of command and policy minutiae rarely meant much, was demanding that Mr. Priebus begin to implement a much more conventional White House protocol that had been taken for granted in previous administrations: From now on, Mr. Trump would be looped in on the drafting of executive orders much earlier in the process.

Another change will be a new set of checks on the previously unfettered power enjoyed by Mr. Bannon and the White House policy director, Stephen Miller, who oversees the implementation of the orders and who received the brunt of the internal and public criticism for the rollout of the travel ban.

Mr. Priebus has told Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon that the administration needs to rethink its policy and communications operation in the wake of embarrassing revelations that key details of the orders were withheld from agencies, White House staff and Republican congressional leaders like Speaker Paul D. Ryan.

Also, Mr. Priebus has created a 10-point checklist for the release of any new initiatives that includes signoff from the communications department and the White House staff secretary, Robert Porter, according to several aides familiar with the process.

Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/...tion=keypress&region=FixedLeft&pgtype=article

Trump isn't fucking reading these EOs.

We have a president who may not know how to read.
 
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StopMakingSense

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"Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

WAIT FUCKING WHAT?
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
StopMakingSense said:
"Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

WAIT FUCKING WHAT?
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They're setting Bannon up as the fall guy. You can see it in a lot of the most recent round of leaks. Bannon gets blamed while Trump is just being manipulated and played.

That's the issue with leaks like these, done right and they get to set the narrative.
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
B-Dubs said:
They're setting Bannon up as the fall guy. You can see it in a lot of the most recent round of leaks. Bannon gets blamed while Trump is just being manipulated and played.

That's the issue with leaks like these, done right and they get to set the narrative.
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Throwing Bannon under the bus seems tricky. Trump doesn't come off well either not reading or not comprehending things he's literally signing off on. Even the best spin in that direction leaves him an incompetent fool.
 
Dominican Power

Dominican Power

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Bannon and Miller know a mark when they see one, just like Putin. lol @ Bannon slipping him getting a seat on the NSC in the EO that Trump didn't read.
 
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Crocodile

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Trump chooses who he has at his side. You don't get to hire morons or evil-doers and feign innocence when they start fucking things up. Some "businessman".
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Crocodile said:
Trump chooses who he has at his side. You don't get to hire morons or evil-doers and feign innocence when they start fucking things up. Some "businessman".
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Honestly, his businesses probably fail so often due to EXACTLY this problem.
 
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daedalius

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Suikoguy said:
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Reposted from the Superbowl Thread.
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Hilarious

StopMakingSense said:
"Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

WAIT FUCKING WHAT?
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Not hilarious
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Dan said:
Throwing Bannon under the bus seems tricky. Trump doesn't come off well either not reading or not comprehending things he's literally signing off on. Even the best spin in that direction leaves him an incompetent fool.
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Better to be seen as an incompetent fool with room for improvement than a fascist looking to take over the country.
 
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Geist-

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StopMakingSense said:
"Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

WAIT FUCKING WHAT?
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I want to say this doesn't surprise me because Trump is a fucking idiot, but honestly, WHAT THE FUCKING WHAT!?!
 
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chadskin

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I'm sure folks out there don't read everything they sign either. So let's not be holier than thou here, the American people don't need Trump to be the Pope but someone who can finally make America safe again. That's why the American people elected him with an overwhelming mandate and that's what the president is committed to do.
 
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CygnusXS

will gain confidence one day
StopMakingSense said:
"Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

WAIT FUCKING WHAT?
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"Not fully briefed on details of" means what precisely? Which details?
 
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balladofwindfishes

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StopMakingSense said:
"Mr. Priebus bristles at the perception that he occupies a diminished perch in the West Wing pecking order compared with previous chiefs. But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council, a greater source of frustration to the president than the fallout from the travel ban."

WAIT FUCKING WHAT?
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Sibylus

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Trump getting pissed at Bannon and throwing him out is a good thing. Trump is his patron, and the most salient kryptonite we have.
 
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Ogodei

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Sibylus said:
Trump getting pissed at Bannon and throwing him out is a good thing. Trump is his patron, and the most salient kryptonite we have.
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And Trump being petty as he is, Bannon getting the boot would make Breitbart persona non grata too (unless Breitbart moved fast to throw Bannon under the bus too).
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
B-Dubs said:
Better to be seen as an incompetent fool with room for improvement than a fascist looking to take over the country.
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I'm not sure Trump's ego would make the same conclusion. I'm also not sure throwing Bannon under the bus results in a net gain in approval ratings for Trump.
 
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