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[Wilsongt]

For many years our country has been divided, angry and untrusting. Many say it will never change, the hatred is too deep. IT WILL CHANGE!!!!
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Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago

will only get higher. Car companies and others, if they want to do business in our country, have to start making things here again. WIN!
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Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago

The Democrats are most angry that so many Obama Democrats voted for me. With all of the jobs I am bringing back to our Nation, that number..
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[JP_]

This has not been true historically, at all. American voters have always been quick to turn on the party in power.

I think you all are underestimating the changes the internet has made to our media landscape and the information bubbles it has birthed. Fox News is mild in comparison. Historically, we haven't had something like Trump. It's pretty clear the rules have changed.

Not saying what I describe will 100% happen -- only that it shouldn't be taken for granted that everything will work out or go as expected. I'm getting flashbacks to poligaf during the campaign.

 

[nomster]

Watching meet the press - love Reince's literal party over country lapel pin.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Well if the Democrats had just sold healthcare instead of running away from it in 2010 and 2014 we would not be in this predicament.

Democrats allowed Republicans to say whatever falsehoods about the bill and they have stuck since.

There is a reason why Obama called Bill the explainer in chief. Obama never really sold his legislation like he should have. One of his biggest mistakes of his 2 terms.

Why would Democrats sell a unpopular Republican plan in 2010 or 2014? Of course folks ran away from it particularly since provisions weren't in effect, the launch was rough, and insurance companies were making bank of the Medicaid expansion while losing money on subsidized private insurance plans.

 

[kess]

Thought you guys might appreciate this scan from the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin from 1940:

A Republican Senate candidate echorting the rights of Labor? A former Republican governor supporting a Democrat for president? At least we have Wilkie saying something stupid about Social Security to remind us that less has changed than we thought.

The burning of the Jersey City poll books refers to the destruction of the Hudson County poll record in 1937, which was orchestrated by Jersey City mayor Frank "I am the Law" Hague," a notorious Democratic machine politician who was often at loggerheads with unions and the Socialist Party.

Well, everybody likes beer. Except for Putin... and Trump... and Erdogan...?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Prime pickup opportunity for Dems should be Tom Price's district once he is confirmed to cabinet. Trump +1 district.

 

[JP_]

Protest against aca repeal in Dallas

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

I think you all are underestimating the changes the internet has made to our media landscape and the information bubbles it has birthed. Fox News is mild in comparison. Historically, we haven't had something like Trump. It's pretty clear the rules have changed.

Not saying what I describe will 100% happen -- only that it shouldn't be taken for granted that everything will work out or go as expected. I'm getting flashbacks to poligaf during the campaign.

Okay. Looks like Democrats will never be in power again. Time to hang it up, everyone!

 

[Box of Kittens]

The reason I am deeply skeptical of "this time is different" analysis is that I've heard this song so many times before. Despite everything from 9/11 to Fox News being touted as upending all the old rules, those rules have a strange way of asserting themselves over and over again.

The same Very Serious Thinkers who are currently writing that Trump getting 46% and winning the tipping point state by a less than 1% margin heralds a Permanent Republican Majority were writing in 2009 that Republicans were doomed to permanent minority status by demographics and in 2005 they were writing that every election in the future would be fought primarily on foreign policy. Arguments today about Republicans being able to sell Policy X with no trouble remind me of the ones I heard back during Bush's attempt to privatize Social Security, when Fox News would brainwash everyone into accepting his argument that his plans constituted necessary reforms to save the problem.

I'm not saying Democrats should just sit on their hands and expect to win the next election for sure, but the idea that they can't possibly win any time soon because Trump has magic powers is just as foolish (arguably more so from a historical standpoint).

 

[SenorArdilla]

 

[Ogodei]

The reason I am deeply skeptical of "this time is different" analysis is that I've heard this song so many times before. Despite everything from 9/11 to Fox News being touted as upending all the old rules, those rules have a strange way of asserting themselves over and over again.

The same Very Serious Thinkers who are currently writing that Trump getting 46% and winning the tipping point state by a less than 1% margin heralds a Permanent Republican Majority were writing in 2009 that Republicans were doomed to permanent minority status by demographics and in 2005 they were writing that every election in the future would be fought primarily on foreign policy. Arguments today about Republicans being able to sell Policy X with no trouble remind me of the ones I heard back during Bush's attempt to privatize Social Security, when Fox News would brainwash everyone into accepting his argument that his plans constituted necessary reforms to save the problem.

I'm not saying Democrats should just sit on their hands and expect to win the next election for sure, but the idea that they can't possibly win any time soon because Trump has magic powers is just as foolish (arguably more so from a historical standpoint).

Republicans *are* still doomed to minority status, they're just rigging the game so hard that they can win as a minority, hence Trump and many of the GOP-dominated blue-voting states.

The only thing the election showed was that the demographic promised land is further off than we thought, due to the hastening of whites becoming more loyal to the GOP, but even in a world where whites voted 100% R all the time, there's an expiration date on the GOP's bid for power.

 

[JP_]

Okay. Looks like Democrats will never be in power again. Time to hang it up, everyone!

I was literally just at a protest. You've got people in this thread taking it as a given that republicans will overplay their hand and voters will punish them for it -- I'm arguing against complacency. We shouldn't expect dems to make a comeback, we should make it happen.

The reason I am deeply skeptical of "this time is different" analysis is that I've heard this song so many times before. Despite everything from 9/11 to Fox News being touted as upending all the old rules, those rules have a strange way of asserting themselves over and over again.

The same Very Serious Thinkers who are currently writing that Trump getting 46% and winning the tipping point state by a less than 1% margin heralds a Permanent Republican Majority were writing in 2009 that Republicans were doomed to permanent minority status by demographics and in 2005 they were writing that every election in the future would be fought primarily on foreign policy. Arguments today about Republicans being able to sell Policy X with no trouble remind me of the ones I heard back during Bush's attempt to privatize Social Security, when Fox News would brainwash everyone into accepting his argument that his plans constituted necessary reforms to save the problem.

I'm not saying Democrats should just sit on their hands and expect to win the next election for sure, but the idea that they can't possibly win any time soon because Trump has magic powers is just as foolish (arguably more so from a historical standpoint).

Not sure who's suggesting the bolded. I'm certainly not.

 

[Diablos]

Democrats can win again but I give them 5-6 years and by then they'll have a Scalia-esque SCOTUS and tons of ultra conservative legislation forcing them to be painfully centrist if not right leaning like Joe Manchin or something. The struggle is real, the party is a mess

Right now the party needs to stop the bleeding within states so the GOP can't call a constitutional convention and turn this country into a theocracy. I'm not joking.

They've got their work cut out for them. They have to win back ground they lost since 2010 and figure out how to organize again for the Presidency and Senate. The House they might as well give up on entirely for now. If they couldn't win it back with Obama they sure as fuck aren't now.

 

[Retromelon]

Thought you guys might appreciate this scan from the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin from 1940:

"Apparently Republicans never learn that deception doesn't pay." Lol I would love to know what this guy would have to say if he were still alive

A google search informs me that Senator Barkley was a liberal democrat from Kentucky that served as Vice President in the Truman administration, and after ending a keynote address in 1956 with the words, "I'm glad to sit on the back row, for I would rather be a servant in the House of the Lord than to sit in the seats of the mighty", collapsed onstage and died of a heart attack.

 

[Wilsongt]

Well, in one day Pence defending Trump being a racist shitbag, Chaffetz basically said he wasn't going to investigate Trump, and Rumplestiltskin warned the ethics office about criticizing Trump and said the GOP never questioned the legitimacy of Obama's presidency.

There is a special place in hell for these people.

 

[avaya]

Well, in one day Pence defending Trump being a racist shitbag, Chaffetz basically said he wasn't going to investigate Trump, and Rumplestiltskin warned the ethics office about criticizing Trump and said the GOP never questioned the legitimacy of Obama's presidency.

There is a special place in hell for these people.

Note Chaffetz, who went out publicly and said he could never vote or support Trump after the tape made a rapid about face a day or 2 before the Comey letter. The same day Giuliani said they still had one or two tricks up their sleeve.

Whole lot of smoke.

 

[Diablos]

Well, in one day Pence defending Trump being a racist shitbag, Chaffetz basically said he wasn't going to investigate Trump, and Rumplestiltskin warned the ethics office about criticizing Trump and said the GOP never questioned the legitimacy of Obama's presidency.

There is a special place in hell for these people.

We are living in hell.

 

[Ogodei]

Democrats can win again but I give them 5-6 years and by then they'll have a Scalia-esque SCOTUS and tons of ultra conservative legislation forcing them to be painfully centrist if not right leaning like Joe Manchin or something. The struggle is real, the party is a mess

Right now the party needs to stop the bleeding within states so the GOP can't call a constitutional convention and turn this country into a theocracy. I'm not joking.

They've got their work cut out for them. They have to win back ground they lost since 2010 and figure out how to organize again for the Presidency and Senate. The House they might as well give up on entirely for now. If they couldn't win it back with Obama they sure as fuck aren't now.

The only thing that would force Democrats to go further right is if the GOP figured out a way to step up the disenfranchisement game, and for that you'd need a full repeal of the Voting Rights Act or something that can slip around the 15th amendment.

We've got the base, got the majority of supporters, we just need to mobilize them. This isn't like the 90s where you had to retreat from certain positions because the votes for them just didn't exist.

The battle for the soul of the party is "stay the course" (Perez) or "get more liberal and focus on liberal populism" (Ellison). There's no equivalent to the old DLC, the voices saying Democrats should back off from talking about race and bathrooms are not the ones who are anywhere near deciding the future of the party.

 

[dramatis]

The battle for the soul of the party is "stay the course" (Perez) or "get more liberal and focus on liberal populism" (Ellison). There's no equivalent to the old DLC, the voices saying Democrats should back off from talking about race and bathrooms are not the ones who are anywhere near deciding the future of the party.

Where can I buy the DLC for this election

 

[Funkyhamster]

Just got back from the Seattle rally in support of Obamacare. Pramila Jayapal is really a good speaker... I can see her going places.

 

[Diablos]

Where can I buy the DLC for this election

It's discounted on PS Plus I think!

 

[Plinko]

So Tom Arnold is going off on Twitter, slamming Trump and saying he is getting the Apprentice tapes ready for release. He also said the Chinese government already offered a free anonymous way to release them.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

RIP in Peace Lithuania and Estonia.

I wonder if the German army is actually strong enough to protect those countries from the Russian forces at this point.

Trump's fucking dumbass son-in-law to bring peace to Middle East according to Trump.

 

[thepotatoman]

So Tom Arnold is going off on Twitter, slamming Trump and saying he is getting the Apprentice tapes ready for release. He also said the Chinese government already offered a free anonymous way to release them.

Talk is cheap. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[teiresias]

N-word tapes from the apprentice only had any worth during the election as it could have influenced the vote. There's nothing illegal about saying the n-word so aside from putting his numbers further in the gutter there's nothing really helpful about them at this point.

 

[JP_]

RIP in Peace Lithuania and Estonia.

I was in Lithuania shortly before the election and they were still talking about rebuilding after Russian occupation -- like they were just now hitting their stride with tech industries growing really well. Was one of the first things that came to mind after Trump won

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

In other words Trump continues to believe twitter is a good form of communication. It's not. But he doesn't care. It's not about information anyway, it's about misinformation.

 

[ErasureAcer]

N-word tapes from the apprentice only had any worth during the election as it could have influenced the vote. There's nothing illegal about saying the n-word so aside from putting his numbers further in the gutter there's nothing really helpful about them at this point.

Could be an opening to shed light on Mark Burnett and how he wants a Putin reality show to air in the USA according to the Hollywood Reporter.

Seeing Russia through its controversial president's eyes has Burnett so excited, he already has reached out to Putin, 62, a noted outdoorsman and former KGB officer. He says he emphasized his show would be devoid of armies and politics; rather, it would focus on "the humans, the nature, the animals of the nation." When it is suggested the Russian leader probably would ignore such a request, Burnett, who recently wrapped filming a Ben-Hur remake in Rome, cracks a smile: "How do you know that? I would think I could probably get through to most people."

"Look everyone. Putin might fight a bear. He loves the world. He takes walks. Oh there's some report about someone getting killed mysteriously by Putin's hand...it can't be true! Look, this is reality TV...it didn't happen in the show...it didn't happen. Putin is great. Keep watching."

 

[SenorArdilla]

Pee pee tape >>>> N-word tape

One is Trump being a racist. The other strengthens the claim that Trump is Putin's fuccboi.

 

[Phantast2k]

Some interesting meta analysis: America, America - The Los Angeles Review of Books (via an FT journalist)

(...)

One of the most alarming aspects of the rise of Trump is (or should have been) his embrace of the Orwellian lie. This also cannot be normalized with a comforting “all politicians lie.” Of course they do. Lying is not telling the truth, or shaping a version of events with the intent to deceive. These things happen. Jimmy Carter promised he would “never lie to us.” Great. Nixon told so many lies it’s amazing he could keep track of them. But we are not talking about garden variety lying here — we are talking about the totalitarian lie: lies told, repeatedly, loudly and insistently, in direct confrontation with the indisputable truth. Lies purposefully designed to undermine the very capacity to make truth claims. Orwell was right to warn of this. But here we are.

Having spent three-quarters of a century fretting about enemies abroad, we have never fully processed a lesson of history: that great civilizations almost invariably collapse from within. We are Athens, we are Rome — we are, more than anything, Paris in the 1930s, another society divided against itself, living in what one historian described as “the age of unreason.” France then boasted the mightiest army on the continent, but the country was so hollowed out it simply collapsed when placed under stress, leading to defeat, occupation, humiliation. “Better Hitler than Blum,” many on the French right muttered, faced with the prospect of a Jewish Prime Minister — is “better Putin than Hillary” the 21st century equivalent?

(...)

 

[Ether_Snake]

Some interesting meta analysis: America, America - The Los Angeles Review of Books (via an FT journalist)

In a context where their imaginary enemies are gays, colored people and Islamists, the answer to "better Putin than Hillary?" is going to be "Yes!".

 

[Wilsongt]

RIP in Peace Lithuania and Estonia.

I wonder if the German army is actually strong enough to protect those countries from the Russian forces at this point.

Trump's fucking dumbass son-in-law to bring peace to Middle East according to Trump.

I do hope one day a group of leaders are elected who don't fall over face down, ass up for Israel.

 

[thepotatoman]

N-word tapes from the apprentice only had any worth during the election as it could have influenced the vote. There's nothing illegal about saying the n-word so aside from putting his numbers further in the gutter there's nothing really helpful about them at this point.

It'd be pretty darn good ammo to use to show how his policies are racist, and would make it a lot easier for republicans to latch onto other impeachable offenses.

But that tape has to first exist in the hands of someone that dislikes and isn't afraid of trump, which it doesn't.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It'd be pretty darn good ammo to use to show how his policies are racist, and would make it a lot easier for republicans to latch onto other impeachable offenses.

But that tape has to first exist in the hands of someone that dislikes and isn't afraid of trump, which it doesn't.

I bet if the tape exists Trump is laughing while saying the n-word, and whoever it's directed at is laughing as well anyway. It's going to be a dud and a distraction at this point.

 

[Valhelm]

Thought you guys might appreciate this scan from the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin from 1940:

A Republican Senate candidate echorting the rights of Labor? A former Republican governor supporting a Democrat for president? At least we have Wilkie saying something stupid about Social Security to remind us that less has changed than we thought.

The burning of the Jersey City poll books refers to the destruction of the Hudson County poll record in 1937, which was orchestrated by Jersey City mayor Frank "I am the Law" Hague," a notorious Democratic machine politician who was often at loggerheads with unions and the Socialist Party.

Well, everybody likes beer. Except for Putin... and Trump... and Erdogan...?

Wendell Willkie was one of the most interesting American politicians ever. The depression was so painful that right-wing politicians who criticized Roosevelt's social democracy couldn't get very far. As something of a reverse Clinton, Willkie ran hard to the left of all other Republicans. He borrowed many of FDR's rhetoric and policies. He also played a pretty big role in staving off the early red scare, arguing that the writings of Marx are no more threatening to American society than the writings of Jefferson and Lincoln.

To say the least, somebody like Willkie could never be a Republican politician today.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Not sure who's suggesting the bolded. I'm certainly not.

I frequently see defeatism in this thread and elsewhere. I mean, just look one post below your reply.

 

[Dominican Power]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/michael-goves-interview-donald-trump-main-points/

This dude answers questions like a child.

 

[etrain911]

Note Chaffetz, who went out publicly and said he could never vote or support Trump after the tape made a rapid about face a day or 2 before the Comey letter. The same day Giuliani said they still had one or two tricks up their sleeve.

Whole lot of smoke.

I could see there being a fire soon. Hopefully one that burns the facade off of these fuckers with the entire intelligence community and the international community now dedicated to investigating this.

 

[thepotatoman]

Honestly, I'm getting irritated at how much focus the russia issue is getting. It's been almost nothing but that ever since the election.

Whatever happened to learning the lesson of caring about the concerns of real people, instead being stuck in the elitist bubble caring about things of little consequence in the long run. Russia isn't going to take away insurance from 20 million people. The final repeal vote takes place a week from friday, so I hope we can switch our full attention to that by then.

I know the russia thing shouldn't be totally ignored, but it's still all conjecture at this point. The stage is properly set for continuing that line of attack if more comes out about it, but as far as we know this could easily be the end of the road on this subject. By all means do as many investigations as you can to get to the truth on this, and be critical of Trump's actions regarding russia, but until then I don't want to see this become democrat's benghazi, spending all our time hoping for a smoking gun that doesn't exist.

 

[JP_]

Honestly, I'm getting irritated at how much focus the russia issue is getting. It's been almost nothing but that ever since the election.

Whatever happened to learning the lesson of caring about the concerns of real people, instead being stuck in the elitist bubble caring about things of little consequence in the long run. Russia isn't going to take away insurance from 20 million people. The final repeal vote takes place a week from friday, so I hope we can switch our full attention to that by then.

I know the russia thing shouldn't be totally ignored, but it's still all conjecture at this point. The stage is properly set for continuing that line of attack if more comes out about it, but as far as we know this could easily be the end of the road on this subject. By all means do as many investigations as you can to get to the truth on this, and be critical of Trump's actions regarding russia, but until then I don't want to see this become democrat's benghazi, spending all our time hoping for a smoking gun that doesn't exist.

The implications of our president being a Russian puppet are potentially far greater than people having their healthcare situation reset to pre-ACA. And I'm one of the ones that could lose my health insurance with a chronic condition.

 

[mo60]

Honestly, I'm getting irritated at how much focus the russia issue is getting. It's been almost nothing but that ever since the election.

Whatever happened to learning the lesson of caring about the concerns of real people, instead being stuck in the elitist bubble caring about things of little consequence in the long run. Russia isn't going to take away insurance from 20 million people. The final repeal vote takes place a week from friday, so I hope we can switch our full attention to that by then.

I know the russia thing shouldn't be totally ignored, but it's still all conjecture at this point. The stage is properly set for continuing that line of attack if more comes out about it, but as far as we know this could easily be the end of the road on this subject. By all means do as many investigations as you can to get to the truth on this, and be critical of Trump's actions regarding russia, but until then I don't want to see this become democrat's benghazi, spending all our time hoping for a smoking gun that doesn't exist.

I agree that democrats shouldn't just focus on russia, but a lot of people are focusing on russia now since a lot of the more potentially damaging stuff about trump's potential relationship with Russia was not really released during the election camapign.The Russia story, corruption and other things will eventually damage trump's presidency and possibly result in his impeachment eventually.

 

[Ether_Snake]

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/michael-goves-interview-donald-trump-main-points/

This dude answers questions like a child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLO8KizZ50I

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Honestly, I'm getting irritated at how much focus the russia issue is getting. It's been almost nothing but that ever since the election.

Whatever happened to learning the lesson of caring about the concerns of real people, instead being stuck in the elitist bubble caring about things of little consequence in the long run. Russia isn't going to take away insurance from 20 million people. The final repeal vote takes place a week from friday, so I hope we can switch our full attention to that by then.

I know the russia thing shouldn't be totally ignored, but it's still all conjecture at this point. The stage is properly set for continuing that line of attack if more comes out about it, but as far as we know this could easily be the end of the road on this subject. By all means do as many investigations as you can to get to the truth on this, and be critical of Trump's actions regarding russia, but until then I don't want to see this become democrat's benghazi, spending all our time hoping for a smoking gun that doesn't exist.

Yesterday was about Trump being a hardcore racist.

I mean, Trump wanting to dismantle NATO is probably the most dangerous idea proposed by a major head of state since 1970? So... it's pretty reasonable to spend a lot of time today talking about Trump wanting to dismantle NATO since he talked about that today.

Besides, we had pro-Obamacare rallies everywhere today.

 

[Ogodei]

Wendell Willkie was one of the most interesting American politicians ever. The depression was so painful that right-wing politicians who criticized Roosevelt's social democracy couldn't get very far. As something of a reverse Clinton, Willkie ran hard to the left of all other Republicans. He borrowed many of FDR's rhetoric and policies. He also played a pretty big role in staving off the early red scare, arguing that the writings of Marx are no more threatening to American society than the writings of Jefferson and Lincoln.

To say the least, somebody like Willkie could never be a Republican politician today.

Yeah, Willkie was pretty buddy-buddy with Roosevelt, really came from what became the Rockefeller wing of the party. Right before FDR died, they were discussing forming a new Progressive Party. He still got kind of acrimonious in the election, mostly because he knew FDR was spoiling to get into the war.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Trump is still completely incoherent.

As he has developed a replacement package, Trump said he has paid attention to critics who say that repealing Obamacare would put coverage at risk for more than 20 million Americans covered under the law’s insurance exchanges and Medicaid expansion.

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

For conservative Republicans dubious about his pledge to ensure coverage for millions, Trump pointed to several interviews he did during the campaign where he promised to “not have people dying on the street.”

“It’s not going to be their plan,” he said of people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people,” he said Saturday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...484529419268&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.4cc5129ff5f4

 

[Plinko]

The thing that worries me the most is Trump flooding the FBI/CIA with his guys that basically let him do what he wants.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Probably the best case scenario for the Trump presidency is that instead of cutting benefits to pay for Trump's wild tax cuts, he just doesn't pay for the tax cuts and lets the deficit increase massively.

 

[CygnusXS]

Trump is still completely incoherent.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...484529419268&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.4cc5129ff5f4

Can't wait to see it

 

[j_k_redtail]

Can't wait to see it

LOL, right? Speaker Ryan must be losing his mind.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

*describes single-payer*


"I don't want single payer"


We're getting quantum healthcare where you will be both covered and uninsured at the same time.