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[chadskin]

Noooooo Sneaky Pete.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

RIP Pete.

 

[Cybit]

That's all fine and good; but don't be worried about "vilifying corporations".

You can talk about how you need the money to compete, but trying to treat corporations like precious children is precisely how you end up losing the labor argument to the corporatist party.

Also, just some numbers about RNC vs DNC funding since 2000 (from opensecrets)

No Ban

Year DNC RNC
2000 162 246
2002 210 356
2004 404 392
2006 131 243
2008 278 444

Ban instituted
2010 230 200
2012 316 409
2014 168 195

Ban Repealed
2016 372 343

Also, Mayor Pete dropping out of the race.

 

[davepoobond]

Yeah his final speech was one of the better ones. Press need to do the work now.

The "What's your goats name?" Part was so hilarious.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

That shade for being ignored.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I don't see the problem there? Neither corporations or Wall Street are inherently evil. There needs to be nuance beyond reacting negative just because corporation/Wall Street=Big Money=Inherently Corrupt, which unfortunately is something that seems to be severely lacking when the subject comes up. Someone being connected to Wall Street or having Wall Street/Big Bank/etc. money does not mean they are inherently corrupt for the reset of their lives and inherently an enemy whose resources should be refused on those grounds alone.

Well it depends on if this is going to be a worker's party or not.

The ACA is a great example of how things get compromised to be worse for people by inviting the input of industries involved in it though.

They did kill a lot of Nazis!

Along with killing all of their neighbors and citizens who didn't like communism.

I didn't say they were a great long term bet

 

[NihonTiger90]

I've been curiously watching the DNC chair fight play out today from outside the Democratic Party bubble, especially among GOP observers.

If you guessed they're using a potential Ellison DNC chairmanship as proof that the Democrats have been essentially infiltrated and taken over by ISIS and al Qaeda, you're right.

Should the Dems be concerned? I don't think they should let it get in the way of appointing Ellison if he's the guy they think is best for the job. Unity is by far the bigger issue than whatever the right wants to brand them as, and the far more pressing one.

 

[kirblar]

Pete dropping is smart due to the possibility of this going to multiple ballots. He avoids making enemies.

Well it depends on if this is going to be a worker's party or not.

The ACA is a great example of how things get compromised to be worse for people by inviting the input of industries involved in it though.

The ACA is a great example of how getting the industries involved gets it a) passed and b) protected when you are not in power.

That latter bit is real important. Look at what the tories are doing in the UK. Having the wrath of the health care industry looming over their heads if they crash it is real pressure on the GOP.

edit: And the Dems will never be a "worker's party" because class solidarity doesn't exist.

 

[Tarydax]

Also, Mayor Pete dropping out of the race.

Oh shit, he's actually dropping out? I thought he just said it didn't look like he was going to win.

Edit: Ah shit, you're right

 

[royalan]

I've been curiously watching the DNC chair fight play out today from outside the Democratic Party bubble, especially among GOP observers.

If you guessed they're using a potential Ellison DNC chairmanship as proof that the Democrats have been essentially infiltrated and taken over by ISIS and al Qaeda, you're right.

Should the Dems be concerned? I don't think they should let it get in the way of appointing Ellison if he's the guy they think is best for the job. Unity is by far the bigger issue than whatever the right wants to brand them as, and the far more pressing one.

Going forward, the Democrats need to care not one bit about what the GOP thinks of anything we do.

 

[Crocodile]

I've been curiously watching the DNC chair fight play out today from outside the Democratic Party bubble, especially among GOP observers.

If you guessed they're using a potential Ellison DNC chairmanship as proof that the Democrats have been essentially infiltrated and taken over by ISIS and al Qaeda, you're right.

Should the Dems be concerned? I don't think they should let it get in the way of appointing Ellison if he's the guy they think is best for the job. Unity is by far the bigger issue than whatever the right wants to brand them as, and the far more pressing one.

The party that got taken over by the alt-right movement that had been growing under its surface is going to complain we've been taken over by ISIS? LOL who gives a shit what those shit-bags think.

Anyway, would Pete be better able to play Kingmaker dropping out now or waiting for this to go to a few ballots?

 

[Cybit]

The party that got taken over by the alt-right movement that had been growing under its surface is going to complain we've been taken over by ISIS? LOL who gives a shit what those shit-bags think.

Anyway, would Pete be better able to play Kingmaker dropping out now or waiting for this to go to a few ballots?

Pete has enough votes to play kingmaker now, he has just decided not to endorse because it might just make things worse.

 

[Third Strike]

Going forward, the Democrats need to care not one bit about what the GOP thinks of anything we do.

This.

The only people turned off by Ellison being a Muslim are very likely the same people that will never vote for the Democratic Party, regardless.

 

[kirblar]

The party that got taken over by the alt-right movement that had been growing under its surface is going to complain we've been taken over by ISIS? LOL who gives a shit what those shit-bags think.

Anyway, would Pete be better able to play Kingmaker dropping out now or waiting for this to go to a few ballots?

If Pete actively plays Kingmaker he makes enemies.

 

[Y2Kev]

Bernie sanders needs to fuck off for introducing Nina turner to the wider merka

 

[Cybit]

If Pete actively plays Kingmaker he makes enemies.

Plus, it defeats the purpose of him running, which is to find someone who isn't in one of the factions. Picking a faction just reinforces what he doesn't want - which is a factionalized party.

 

[Dominican Power]

Asra Nomani talks a whole lot of nothing.

 

[royalan]

It's actually somewhat surprising that there isn't a CPAC equivalent on the left.

 

[Wilsongt]

It's actually somewhat surprising that there isn't a CPAC equivalent on the left.

The left is too busy fighting with itself to spend a weekend in a comfirmation bias circle jerk.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Pete dropping is smart due to the possibility of this going to multiple ballots. He avoids making enemies.

The ACA is a great example of how getting the industries involved gets it a) passed and b) protected when you are not in power.

That latter bit is real important. Look at what the tories are doing in the UK. Having the wrath of the health care industry looming over their heads if they crash it is real pressure on the GOP.

edit: And the Dems will never be a "worker's party" because class solidarity doesn't exist.

Let's see how the ACA is doing in (at least) 70 years before saying it's more durable than the NHS.

 

[jack_package_200]

Bernie sanders needs to fuck off for introducing Nina turner to the wider merka

But she is his token minority friend tho.

 

[Aaron Strife]

What does Pete Buttigieg's dropping out of the race say about Queen of the Midwest Heidi Heitkamp's inability to endorse winning candidates

 

[B-Dubs]

Plus, it defeats the purpose of him running, which is to find someone who isn't in one of the factions. Picking a faction just reinforces what he doesn't want - which is a factionalized party.

It's part of why I was hoping he'd get picked. He'd be a good pick from a "can he do the job" perspective and he wasn't a part of the primary bullshit.

It's actually somewhat surprising that there isn't a CPAC equivalent on the left.

Getting the left together on anything, with or without protests breaking out, is like herding wet cats. It's one of the negatives of a big tent party: you can't do shit like CPAC because no everyone agrees on everything.

Short of an Obama-con, it just wouldn't work.

 

[Crocodile]

But she is his token minority friend tho.

I thought that was Cornel West?

Spoiler

I think Keith Ellison is the only prominent minority surrogate Sanders has ever had that actually always seemed to have his head on straight. I guess Linda Sarsour isn't bad either from whenever I've heard her speak.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

What does Pete Buttigieg's dropping out of the race say about Queen of the Midwest Heidi Heitkamp's inability to endorse winning candidates

Are the Dakotas part of the Midwest? I always thought that line ended at Minnesota/Iowa-ish

 

[davepoobond]

Asra Nomani talks a whole lot of nothing.

Her book must be dreadful

 

[kirblar]

I thought that was Cornel West?

Spoiler

I think Keith Ellison is the only prominent minority surrogate Sanders has ever had that actually always seemed to have his head on straight. I guess Linda Sarsour isn't bad either from whenever I've heard her speak.

That's probably because he's an actual democrat who actually gets elected.

 

[Holmes]

Are the Dakotas part of the Midwest? I always thought that line ended at Minnesota/Iowa-ish

The Dakotas are midwestern. Also prairie.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Asra Nomani talks a whole lot of nothing.

Yep, she made no sense whatsoever.

Went on and on about civility and she voted for trump.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

It's actually somewhat surprising that there isn't a CPAC equivalent on the left.

This sad but one time I thought netroots was it.

The more I think about it the more I think the left's political and social infastructure sucks

 

[Tranqueris]

Dammit Donna Brazil, I was listening to Nasty Girl.

 

[Y2Kev]

How did Ellison blow such a lead

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

How did Ellison blow such a lead

>Endorsed by Schumer and Bernie

>Loses anyway

 

[B-Dubs]

How did Ellison blow such a lead

>Endorsed by Schumer and Bernie

>Loses anyway

Obama/Biden put their fingers on the scale when they got Perez to run. Regardless of what people or Op-eds say about where the party is going, it's still Obama's party.

If Schumer had 10 more years in that leader role he, maybe, could have put Ellison over.

 

[royalan]

Obama/Biden put their fingers on the scale when they got Perez to run. Regardless of what people or Op-eds say about where the party is going, it's still Obama's party.

If Schumer had 10 more years in that leader role he, maybe, could have put Ellison over.

I also don't think Bernie helped with his status quo comment. That pissed a lot folks off.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

How did Ellison blow such a lead

Hillary's steganographic coup through her FB video.

 

[B-Dubs]

I also don't think Bernie helped with his status quo comment. That pissed a lot folks off.

Regardless of how Bernie did in the primary, he hasn't built the sort of relationships in the party needed to influence an election like this.

Anyone who expected him to have the same sort of influence as Obama or Biden was just being unrealistic. It takes a lot of time and work to build that influence, time and work he never put in.

 

[sc0la]

Hillary's steganographic coup through her FB video.

hax

 

[thefro]

How did Ellison blow such a lead

Eliison people supposedly have a text going around saying Buttigieg endorsed him, Pete says he hasn't endorsed anyone.

Dirty tactics like that don't help things.

 

[kirblar]

Eliison people supposedly have a text going around saying Buttigieg endorsed him, Pete says he hasn't endorsed anyone.

Dirty tactics like that don't help things.

Ellison's crew has done a lot over the last two weeks to really turn people off.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Eliison people supposedly have a text going around saying Buttigieg endorsed him, Pete says he hasn't endorsed anyone.

Dirty tactics like that don't help things.

Imagine what they'd be saying if Perez had done this.

 

[B-Dubs]

Eliison people supposedly have a text going around saying Buttigieg endorsed him, Pete says he hasn't endorsed anyone.

Dirty tactics like that don't help things.

What moron thought it was a good idea to go digging into the Ted Cruz playbook? Even if he wins it won't do shit to calm anything down now.

 

[jack_package_200]

Eliison people supposedly have a text going around saying Buttigieg endorsed him, Pete says he hasn't endorsed anyone.

Dirty tactics like that don't help things.

Didn't Bernie claim to have endorsements he didn't actually have during the last part of the primary? I remember he claimed he had a California HIV association's endorsement and his campaign got pissed when they were called out on it.

Its like poetry, it rhymes.

 

[sc0la]

I thought that was Cornel West?

Spoiler

I think Keith Ellison is the only prominent minority surrogate Sanders has ever had that actually always seemed to have his head on straight. I guess Linda Sarsour isn't bad either from whenever I've heard her speak.

Killer Mike was one of his better minority surrogates. That isn't a knock against Killer Mike, but Bernies bench wasn't deep.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Perez is one literal vote away from winning?

edit: My Idaho girl you can save Ellison, you got this.

 

[thefro]

Perez 1 vote away from winning, going to 2nd ballot

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

What's a .5 vote?

 

[Officerrob]

Perez is half a vote short? lol

 

[B-Dubs]

Perez is one literal vote away from winning?

A half-vote. He'll take it on round two.

What's a .5 vote?

Dems Abroad.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I just wish Ellison won because it would satisfy the Bernie Busters