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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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sangreal

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LostMyNarbles said:
So what's going to happen with this Nunes business now that it seems like Stone and Manafort have a story to run with when they go in front of the committee? Are they running with false information intentionally leaked to Nunes to see what he would do or did he actually get something useful to give to Trump?
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who cares about nunes' sham committee? the senate and fbi have their own

Nunes' is only investigating this to cover for Trump
 
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Randolph Freelander

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Ashley Feinberg‏ @ashleyfeinberg 10 minutes ago
wow bad news for the president

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Poor guy.
 
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Aaron Strife

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whyamihere said:
Like, were you not here during the later part of the Bush years?

Also, rallying the base doesn't win you presidencies! Neither Democrats nor Republicans have a base that will get you above 40% in a presidential election. So here we are!
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Seriously, this isn't even a hypothetical.

Bush and Republican majorities in Congress tried to privatize Social Security and failed. No harm done right? Hell no, they got "a good thumpin'" (in Bush's words) at the ballot box in Nov 06. Voters don't reward the party in power for trying and failing to take away benefits.

The perception and narrative pushed in MSM was that every time a bill failed or there was some sort of legislative crisis, the buck stopped with Obama. Ted Cruz shutting down the government? Damn you, Obama! Boehner won't take up immigration reform? Tsk tsk, guess Obama didn't really mean it. Look at CNN, look at MSNBC. Trump's bill is dead, Trump was defeated, embarrassment for Trump.

We need to accept two things:

1) Trump and the GOP will always have a base that will vote for them no matter what

2) This is not the swing vote that Democrats need in order to win
 
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CrimzonSamurai

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ErasureAcer said:
Were you paying attention to Arizona? I'd love to see your reaction when you've been switched to a different party after waiting in line for 5 hours and thus can't vote for your candidate of choice in a primary. Shit was fraud.
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Uh were you paying attention when those people were registered independents and just forgot because they're self-interested cry babies who never vote?
 
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nature boy

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In Major Defeat for Trump, Push to Repeal Health Law Fails
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And in private, Mr. Trump took a much harder line. The president was furious that members of the hard-line conservative Freedom Caucus had opposed the legislation. He demanded for much of Thursday that Mr. Ryan push a vote to publicly expose the members who were opposing the administration.

Mr. Trump and his top strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, wanted to see a confidential list of compiled to exact revenge on the bill's Republican opponents, according to two people with direct knowledge of the situation

The critical moment — when the parties decided to withdraw the doomed measure — came during a 3 p.m. phone call with Mr. Ryan and the president, who was in the Oval Office. Mr. Ryan told Mr. Trump that scorched-earth strategy was misguided and self-destructive.

Mr. Ryan, according to staff members, agreed that members of the Freedom Caucus were not negotiating in good faith, but he said that punishing them would also harm members who were simply trying to protect themselves from potential conservative primary challenges next year.

The speaker sealed the deal by telling Mr. Trump a public vote would turn a bad defeat into a spectacular loss that could alienate conservatives whom he would need for upcoming votes to raise the debt ceiling, to pass a budget and to enact an ambitious rewrite of the tax code. Retribution could also jeopardize the $1 trillion infrastructure package championed by Mr. Bannon.
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NATURALLY
 
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Allard

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sangreal said:
who cares about nunes' sham committee? the senate and fbi have their own

Nunes' is only investigating this to cover for Trump
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Yep, judicial and intel committees in the senate are both doing separate investigations, I do have some have reserve on the Intel one with Burr at the head but I definitely have more confidence in the judicial one. Plus the US Intel Community is likely not going to stop leaking, and even if they did there is the international part of the community that won't stop digging. At this point republicans should be more scared about being in the way of the coming storm then against it.
 
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Cesare Borgia

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Plinko said:
This whole "But the president gets all the blame!!!" stuff is hilarious because that's the way it worked with a republican Congress saying that all the time under a democratic president. You actually think the right-wing media (the biggest influence on politics in our country by far) and the GOP-controlled Congress are going to be repeatedly flooding the airwaves with, "Trump screwed this up?" Really? That's not happening. Trump won't take the blame for this. He is already passing it off onto democrats, and as stated earlier, we're 2 months into his presidency. Americans have SHORT memories. Lots and lots of things he can do to rally the base between now and election day.
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So why is Trump at sub 40% approval right now, two months into his presidency? He has no political capitol, threatened multiple members of his own party, and the entire country just saw him fail at making a deal (his so called strong suit!). There is no "comeback" to be had here, under normal circumstances (ie, not a major terrorist attack that rallies the country around the flag/president). Sure tax reform is popular in theory but how long before people are outraged over how republicans plan on paying for it...

He's going to complete his 100 days with no accomplishments outside of signing an unpopular GOP budget and MAYBE getting tax reform.
 
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pigeon

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Cesare Borgia said:
So why is Trump at sub 40% approval right now, two months into his presidency? He has no political capitol, threatened multiple members of his own party, and the entire country just saw him fail at making a deal (his so called strong suit!). There is no "comeback" to be had here, under normal circumstances (ie, not a major terrorist attack that rallies the country around the flag/president). Sure tax reform is popular in theory but how long before people are outraged over how republicans plan on paying for it...

He's going to complete his 100 days with no accomplishments outside of signing an unpopular GOP budget and MAYBE getting tax reform.
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He's still got time to deploy ground troops to Syria.
 
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whyamihere

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Cesare Borgia said:
So why is Trump at sub 40% approval right now, two months into his presidency? He has no political capitol, threatened multiple members of his own party, and the entire country just saw him fail at making a deal (his so called strong suit!). There is no "comeback" to be had here, under normal circumstances (ie, not a major terrorist attack that rallies the country around the flag/president). Sure tax reform is popular in theory but how long before people are outraged over how republicans plan on paying for it...

He's going to complete his 100 days with no accomplishments outside of signing an unpopular GOP budget and MAYBE getting tax reform.
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But when you're right about the election, you're automatically correct about every single political calculation afterward. You are a progressive Cassandra.
 
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aspiegamer

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OH, RIGHT, just when people stop talking about the ACHA defeat we have a whole heap of Russia scandal stuff next week! We get to start placing bets on who rats first for immunity and who gets thrown under the bus first. (Flynn and Tillerson, respectively, btw)

Yeah... this presidency isn't going so well thus far.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
whyamihere said:
I also like how always believing the worst thing will happen all the time always is being a realist?
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If you're referring to me (which is pretty obvious since I said realist earlier), I don't always believe the worst thing will happen.

I said on here that if the health care bill passed I lean toward a democratic sweep in 2018. I still believe they will take back one of those two branches of government at that point. I have said repeatedly the Russia stuff is a slow burn and will take time. I ultimately believe the IC will do what it needs to do and we will see a leadership change. I have hope for the future of the DNC with Ellison leading things. I think a democrat can absolutely win in 2020 if it is the right person chosen. None of those are "worst thing."

aspiegamer said:
OH, RIGHT, just when people stop talking about the ACHA defeat we have a whole heap of Russia scandal stuff next week! We get to start placing bets on who rats first for immunity and who gets thrown under the bus first. (Flynn and Tillerson, respectively, btw)

Yeah... this presidency isn't going so well thus far.
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The whole thing that Jake Tapper tweeted earlier with the National Enquirer now referring to Flynn as a "Russian spy" is pretty interesting and not getting enough talk. The Enquirer has been in Trump's pocket since the beginning. It appears they have made the decision to make him the fall guy, and I'm curious as to why. Does he have the least connections on record with Trump and his team?
 
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Makai

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Trump - "I think this is really bad for Chuck Schmer and Nancy Pelosi, because now they own Obamacare. They own it!"

lol
 
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pigeon

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Makai said:
Do they really not have the votes for flat repeal - filibuster aside
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One rep said yesterday that a full repeal would get 50 votes.

I think they might have been able to force it through if it had come first. It's a much harder sell now that they demonstrated already they don't think full repeal is good and want to do a more complicated bill instead.
 
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sangreal

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Tall4Life said:
What's the reason for the HFC rejecting this bill, if they are the far-right? Their constituents?
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It was a worse version of Obamacare. All the same ideas, but shittier. They wanted the full repeal that they already passed through the house (the single most embarrassing fact of this entire affair)
 
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sangreal

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pigeon said:
One rep said yesterday that a full repeal would get 50 votes.

I think they might have been able to force it through if it had come first. It's a much harder sell now that they demonstrated already they don't think full repeal is good and want to do a more complicated bill instead.
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Trump's master negotiating at work. You'll recall the original plan was to repeal it (effective after midterms of course) and come up with a replacement later

(In reality, Democrats deserve a lot of credit for this because it was their insistence that they would not help Republicans pass a worse bill under any circumstances that forced them to try and replace in reconciliation)
 
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kirblar

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One of the reasons they're not touching the Fillibuster- with only 2-3 R defections needed to tank a vote right now, any legislation the Dems would fillibuster would likely get blocked by R defections anyway.
 
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jtb

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Douthat with the hot takes over here.

@DouthatNYT
So now that everyone seems to be coming around to Trump as Jimmy Carter, it's time to ponder ... Bernie Sanders as Ronald Reagan.

@DouthatNYT
With his run against Hillary as his Reagan-in-'76, his age as a supposed impediment, his wild-eyed socialism as a supposed liability ...
 
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Vixdean

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At this point it doesn't really matter. Find someone who can get to 90% favoribility with Democrats and focus on fixing turnout issues.
 
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Joe Shlabotnik

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jtb said:
Douthat with the hot takes over here.

@DouthatNYT
So now that everyone seems to be coming around to Trump as Jimmy Carter, it's time to ponder ... Bernie Sanders as Ronald Reagan.

@DouthatNYT
With his run against Hillary as his Reagan-in-'76, his age as a supposed impediment, his wild-eyed socialism as a supposed liability ...
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"Supposed impediment" = one year older than Reagan at the end of his term in 2021
 
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