neurosisxeno
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I just looked it up, it was like 17.6 or 17.7. Not at all close.
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I just looked it up, it was like 17.6 or 17.7. Not at all close.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Health care was a major part of it. They have 20 days to redo it.
Abinash117
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How much can they do now with tax reform?
They never thought that this would happen and everything was tied to this bill passing. It seems it will blow up their plan for tax reform and they will have to go back to the drawing board.
Trump doesn't look like he quite gets the lost he took. The healthcare bill could have made his tax reform work or the GOP's bill. Now it isn't most likely.
They never thought that this would happen and everything was tied to this bill passing. It seems it will blow up their plan for tax reform and they will have to go back to the drawing board.
Trump doesn't look like he quite gets the lost he took. The healthcare bill could have made his tax reform work or the GOP's bill. Now it isn't most likely.
Wanda/Wander
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Less than that considering it needs to make it through both houses of Congress before the 15th.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Is he trying to write the campaign ads himself?
ErasureAcer
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You sure love #AlternativeFacts.
http://www.liberalamerica.org/2016/...rations-magically-switched-says-sec-of-state/
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Amazing. This is gonna be a fucking shit show. I know that bullshit saying we are all on a sinking boat but this is a funny fucking sinking boat.
Cesare Borgia
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I want to say yes but after this lol. Imagine the outrage over how Ryan will try to pay for it: cuts to popular programs for the poor and working class. Also imagine being a congressman going back to your district and saying "well I haven't done anything about immigration or healthcare or the opiate crisis...but I lowered taxes for your employer [Walmart]!"
aspiegamer
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None of this spin is going to work. Everyone knows the GOP has total control of government right now. This couldn't even get out of the House, which was always going to be the easy part! Trump complained about some 'outdated' stuff in both chambers. Do you... think he didn't know what the 60 vote threshold was for until now?
Does this even qualify as a threat? I can't tell. Sounds like a good quote for Democrats to use. "Hey, even Paul Ryan admits it!"
Randolph Freelander
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Joe Shlabotnik
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It's realistic to say they will try to put the failure on Dems. Of course they will. It's pointless to say "this is not a great scenario". The Dems are where they are.
They are not in power in any way shape or form.
Out of all possible scenarios where the Trump administration tries to repeal Obamacare, this is an almost impossibly hoped for scenario. Like if we wished for this it might not have turned out as well.
I was never certain the bill would fail. I never said it would definitely fail. But it was clear they were in deep shit for days. You can talk realistically about that unless you just can't deal with saying it looks bad and then they pull it out at the end. Just leaning on "Republicans always win / always fall in line / this is good news for
And I don't put anyone on ignore.
Ignatz Mouse
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I wonder if the GOP is so tired of winning yet. That's what Trump told me would happen.
StopMakingSense
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That is a very compelling website, what with the nearly 50% page real estate devoted to affiliate links.
Oh and lol USUncut shut down.
Josh Dawsey‏ @jdawsey1
White House officials, advisers say Trump is not that upset. He was far angrier about travel ban, Sessions recusal, inauguration crowd size.
White House officials, advisers say Trump is not that upset. He was far angrier about travel ban, Sessions recusal, inauguration crowd size.
Simply amazing. Joe Barton and Paul Ryan have completely given up the truth today. These Republicans never even considered what it would actually mean to repeal and replace the ACA until recently. It just fun and games to them.
I mean, him saying this is perfect messaging fodder for the Dems and any Super PAC that wants to plaster this on the airwaves. Time it to news stories of Dems trying to introduce legislation tied to the fixes proposed by Hillary during the campaign.
Furthermore, start targeting Medicaid-expansion holdouts hardcore on the air, the governor of the state and any Republican congressional reps from the state - tie all of them to the lower enrollments in those states due to not taking the expansion.
Box of Kittens
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This is a little like when people say that it isn't that the president's party loses seats in midterms, it's that Democrats don't vote in midterms, and the evidence is... 2010 and 2014. We can look at a lot more data and see that when a party has full control of the government and fails to pass their agenda, voters don't blame the people who are out of power.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=232707237&postcount=6820
Randolph Freelander
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Again with this.
He's such a snowflake that the size of a crowd infuriates him more than something that actually would impact millions of lives that aren't his own.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I love how classy Hillary is with her responses to political events today. You know it has to be crushing her every single day, but she still exhibits professionalism and decency throughout it all. She would have been an awesome president.
Again with this.
When Trump loses in 2020 that meme of the flood with a sign poking out saying "But her emails" should be changed to "But my crowd size"
ErasureAcer
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It'd be great if the mainstream media talked about the fraud committed in Arizona against the voters. They don't however.
neurosisxeno
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Probably they investigated it and found that it wasn't believable. That's usually how that works.
StopMakingSense
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Yes, the great fraud perpetuated by the republican SoS. Sure Jan. The DNC sure had control of how many voting stations the GOP officials placed in Maricopa county.
I know plenty of republicans in Phoenix who were fucking pissed off about the lines too. They didn't bother to fucking whine about it and claim bullshit fraud though.
Deuce Deuce
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RustyNails
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Man, we really need to win 2018 and get a public option passed. Otherwise it will suck if insurances continue to remove themselves.
They're likely to start coming back now that the GOP announced they're going to stop fucking everything up for a while.
Gee, I wonder why people don't think voter fraud had a thing to do with this result: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ona_democratic_presidential_primary-5466.html
It'd be great if you learned how to take an L and learn something.
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Most of them leaving had to do with that Humana/Anthem merger that they got blown up for, no?
aspiegamer
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I'm reminded of this again today...
We're extremely fortunate that the leaders of the current authoritarian administration are so astonishingly incompetent, from top to bottom, or America would have been entirely fucked by now.
We're extremely fortunate that the leaders of the current authoritarian administration are so astonishingly incompetent, from top to bottom, or America would have been entirely fucked by now.
They can do basically the same thing with tax reform they were otherwise going to do.
Reconciliation can be used to increase the deficit. It just can't be used to increase the deficit after 10 years. So they can cut taxes all they want as long as those tax cuts expire in 10 years. This is exactly what George W Bush did and is why Obama was able to refuse to extend the tax cuts on the rich.
Let's not undersell how huge this is. ACA was Obama's signature domestic legislation, and probably the only one that Republicans could undo with 51 votes. They can't get rid of Dodd-Frank regulations, for example, without breaking a filibuster. It means that no matter what, the largest part of Obama's legacy survives Trump.
Vestal
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Yup seriously.. I mean its insane how many mistakes they have been in just the first 60 days.
Their plans involved getting this done first, we don't know how much of that needs to be rewritten as a result of this. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few days.
Head of Vengarl
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Bill Mitchell‏Verified @mitchellvii: I don't speak for Trump, but if my plan was to marginalize Ryan to clear the path for my greater agenda, THIS is how I'd have done it.
You cucks are completely oblivious to the 8D chess Trump is playing. The plan all along was to drain Ryan from the swamp!
You cucks are completely oblivious to the 8D chess Trump is playing. The plan all along was to drain Ryan from the swamp!
balladofwindfishes
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I haven't stopped laughing for 3 hours, please send help
He can't keep getting away with it
He can't keep getting away with it
Maiden Voyage
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8D
It's cute that you think the U.S. mainstream media, which routinely wastes thousands of hours on the most mundane shit, would quietly bury a story where a political veteran, especially a Clinton, used their influence to rig an election and steal it from the underdog. Just look at the way they treated her during the general election and tell me with a straight face that, if there were any solid evidence she and/or the DNC committed fraud, that wouldn't be the only story for months
The idea was that if you do this first, along with some other stuff, you can make the tax cuts permanent. Which would have been nice for them. But they can pretty much take the meat of what they were going to do - lower rates on high incomes - and just attach "for 10 years" to the end of it. I mean, it's not like they were actually going to go through with some radical simplification of the tax code.
AntraxSuicide
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I mean, they do have 2 years minimum. The smart play would be to put an actual conservative policy wonk (Ryan is clearly a fraud) on the job and try again in several months.
The danger for them is that this shit primed the public on what to watch out for; any new bill can't have any of the flaws of the AHCA or it'll be tied to it.
ErasureAcer
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Did I accuse Hillary of doing anything? Holy hell, learn how to read, k?
I said there was fraud and it should be investigated. Whether a computer glitch or some 3rd party source hacking the system. People were thrown off the rolls even with their voter registration card in tow for their party and not allowed to vote.
Cry me a river when it happens to you.
Randolph Freelander
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Well, if they can't take away healthcare from the filthy poors or hold 64 year olds over the barrel, there just isn't any fun in it, now is there.
MetalGearZed
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Oh my god, is this the best Vic Berger Trump vid ever? the opening is so glorious.
im late, this is from March 3 but im just now seeing it
😂😂😂
https://youtu.be/dcU3EKigZLQ
im late, this is from March 3 but im just now seeing it
😂😂😂
https://youtu.be/dcU3EKigZLQ
whyamihere
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Like, were you not here during the later part of the Bush years?
Also, rallying the base doesn't win you presidencies! Neither Democrats nor Republicans have a base that will get you above 40% in a presidential election. So here we are!
Schucky Ducky
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Did we ever learn why Comey went to the White House this afternoon?
LostMyNarbles
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So what's going to happen with this Nunes business now that it seems like Stone and Manafort have a story to run with when they go in front of the committee? Are they running with false information intentionally leaked to Nunes to see what he would do or did he actually get something useful to give to Trump?
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