balladofwindfishes
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Why would the Democrats ever work to actually give Trump a win? Like 90% of Democrats absolutely hate Trump.
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Why would the Democrats ever work to actually give Trump a win? Like 90% of Democrats absolutely hate Trump.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If I am reading this correctly, he:
1) Visited a source at the White House to receive the information without telling his contemporaries on the committee
2) Walked right next door to give it to Trump
3) Held a news conference to try and make Trump look vindicated
To me, this looks like Trump and his team orchestrated the entire thing.
I don't know. Cesare just brought up how it could happen, and that's what I think republicans are going to try and do.
I mean, what if the planets align and they actually come up with some tax reform that is actually good for America? Should democrats refuse to help at that point? I don't think that's necessarily a good idea.
More_Badass
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Maybe that guy who jumped the fence a few weeks ago was Nunes doing a practice run
What a piece of shit.
Guys, this moron is turning on his own fucking staff! These aren't people in a corporation who are doing work for bonuses. These are guys you rely on to have your back, and if you don't have theirs, they'll turn on you. How long can Trump keep going when he's making enemies out of the only pool of people that should be his allies?
Instead of buckling down and doing his work, he wants to just point fingers at everyone (but himself) as to why he can't get shit done. Hey, dummy, it's because you're preoccupied by blaming others instead of looking at yourself, you narcissistic sociopath!
Cesare Borgia
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My scenario kind of assumes the WH is competent which it isn't, but targeting vulnerable and centrist democrats (Manchin for instance) on taxes could work. But the package would have to actually help the working or middle class, which isn't going to happen with Ryan writing the bill so...they're fucked.
Ultimately Trump doesn't have any political capitol and the Russian shit makes things worse for him. But if he wanted to play ball and it made sense? I'd let Pelosi and Shumer take his lunch money.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Possibly. Something seems oddly fishy in a sense.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Speaking of teaching (since we were earlier), today Trump overturned the requirement for states to check up on the efficacy of collegiate teacher preparation programs as well as something that helped states be more flexible in setting learning standards.
These rubes want to set back education decades in this country.
These rubes want to set back education decades in this country.
sazzy
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Everything he's doing makes sense if you consider that the incidental collection he's been talking about is, partly, about himself.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Yes. There is no question he is involved somehow.
AntraxSuicide
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I'm happy to hear this in some states. That's definitely not true for most of the South though. My old high school still requires only algebra 1 to graduate, and that's true for most of my students in college when I ask them what their background is.
Of course he is. Trump is an egomaniac who never, ever takes responsibility for anything. Why anyone thought that this would change once he became POTUS I'll never understand.
I think the Maher video perfectly explains how I've felt about him from day one- He's a fucking slimy used car salesman. He's so full of shit that I have a hard time thinking that anyone could believe any of the garbage he promised people... But actually, it does appear to be that easy to fool people.
Pretty sure that was the case with my high school too, up in the North (and a pretty highly-rated high school for being in an obscure small town), they maybe only required pre-algebra? I remember a bunch of Seniors taking something called "Consumer Math," which was code for "we have to keep you in some kind of math class."
The more advanced cohort i was in did Algebra 1 in 8th grade and Algebra 2 in 9th, then you had choices before folks converged again for Calculus in senior year, but you could get your diploma with shockingly little math.
I don't think we're in any danger of Paul Ryan crafting corporate tax rates that even red-state Dems would find especially appealing.
Infrastructure, I think, is the only area where we could see bipartisanship, but there are plenty of House Rs who I'm sure will be eager to sink that, especially since we're not likely to see movement on it until late this year/early next year, when everyone's going to be focusing more on midterms and less on risky legislative gambits.
Exactly what I was about to post lol
Ignatz Mouse
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Bipartisanship isn't going to happen. Even if you had the votes, the Speaker will not let it come to pass.
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thepotatoman
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Are there still going to be attempts to make the AHCA happen? Or have they officially completely given up and moved on to taxes?
RustyNails
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Punished Nunes.
AntraxSuicide
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I think they've given up. There's not much time left for reconciliation business, and so they need to move quickly.
Dubbedinenglish
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A representative robbed of his intelligence
Infrastructure is the only danger of Trump getting a win that he can easily sell towards re-election, because even if his infrastructure plan is corrupt as shit and tantamount to a selloff of state assets like roads and bridges (as is likely), it'll still mean construction jobs, which plays right to the heart of the swing voters that put him in. Run up the margins in enough rural midwestern towns with construction work, and the Democratic path to victory gets narrow.
The wall is a boondoggle, repeal and replace failed, the travel bans have failed. Tax reform they'll probably get something done, but it'll mostly benefit the rich.
The Freedom Caucus might again be our saviors on infrastructure, given the trillion-dollar price tag.
The wall is a boondoggle, repeal and replace failed, the travel bans have failed. Tax reform they'll probably get something done, but it'll mostly benefit the rich.
The Freedom Caucus might again be our saviors on infrastructure, given the trillion-dollar price tag.
StopMakingSense
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Well that's just the WH budget proposal. I don't think the actual budget is going to look much like it at all.
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thepotatoman
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I imagine they're going to try reconciliation stuff for taxes too, though maybe on the 2019 budget instead if that April 15 deadline is a problem.
Should be easier to work into the rules than Obamacare repeal.
StopMakingSense
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Yep, Pedophile rule, etc.
Futurevoid
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It's a "skinny" budget. A budget outline that every President comes up with as a wish list and that rarely if ever looks the same whenever an actual budget passes the congress. To answer your question, to pass a budget through the Senate - yes it requires 60 votes.
A good article on the budget:
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/27/14751872/budget-process-explained
Ignatz Mouse
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That, and Ryan being a True Believer.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Manu Raju on Twitter:
I don't want to believe it's happening, but I think it's happening.
I don't want to believe it's happening, but I think it's happening.
BlastProcessing
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So Nunes wants to scuttle the investigation. He does it in two moves.
1. He schedules a classified closed hearing with Comey and Rodgers.
2. He violates intel rules so blatantly that Comey and Rodgers refuse to talk to him.
Done and done.
Retromelon
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The Year Nixon Fell Apart
fascinating article; describes a president addicted to crisis, alcohol and sleeping pills, who saw enemies abroad, in the media and at home protesting the war he was trying to end, who cracked under the force of extroardinary pressures, and gave in to the dark side
fascinating article; describes a president addicted to crisis, alcohol and sleeping pills, who saw enemies abroad, in the media and at home protesting the war he was trying to end, who cracked under the force of extroardinary pressures, and gave in to the dark side
benicillin
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Is that the lowest it's been so far? Because damn.
BlastProcessing
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Here's what I don't get--so the House investigation is broken. That still doesn't affect the Senate committee, and it definitely doesn't stop the IC from continuing to investigate and compile evidence. Is the House committee really that important at this point?
Thanks for the explanation and link!
A Serious Man
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There was never any hope for the House investigation anyway. His obvious, clumsy maneuvers only added fuel to the real investigations I would think.
BlastProcessing
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The House investigation was the furthest along and had already gotten out of control. Scuttling it buys the White House more time at the least.
I thought that meeting was already cancelled by Nunes?
RustyNails
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Comey and Rogers fear Nunes is compromised. Simple as that.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I was just on 538--why is Ipsos weighted so heavily? I'm surprised as it is the only one where Trump has more favorable than unfavorable.
Nunes cancelled the public briefing with Yates, Brennan and Clapper because he said there need to be a closed-doors briefing with Comey and Rogers first. Now Comey and Rogers are cancelling on him.
Futurevoid
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The public hearing with Clapper, Brenner and Yates was canceled. That was scheduled for today. This is the cancellation of another internal meeting with Comey/Rogers now.
Thank you. Wow
If we've learned one thing from this admin it's that they're adept at cancelling things.
Bonen no Max'd
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I think the AHCA really fucked him over. In 2012 exit polls in the Rust Belt the one thing Obama killed Romney on was healthcare, but in 2016 exit polls it didn't even show up. I think his flipped voters or the Obama voters that stayed home assumed he wouldn't touch their healthcare since his messaging was so atypical for a Republican. There's the budget that fucks them over too, I suppose.
Carpe Libertatem
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If Trump and the GOP have a bunch of tax cuts for the rich in their tax plan, I could see him hitting sub 30. That shit isn't popular with his base at all
Futurevoid
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Aren't we supposed to be getting the CBO scoring on the skinny budget this week?
BoogieWoogie
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Even his braindead supporters have to have been shocked by his flippant dismissal of health care.
Also, Comey and Rogers definitely know Nunes is compromised.
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