Nice. Massie was the guy who was going to vote "HELL NO" on AHCA. Seems like a chucklehead in person but you can't deny he's entertaining.
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Nice. Massie was the guy who was going to vote "HELL NO" on AHCA. Seems like a chucklehead in person but you can't deny he's entertaining.
This is the funniest part to me.
Wednesday: "We'll work with Democrats."
Thursday: "We need to fight some of our own party AND the Democrats!"
https://www.c-span.org/video/?42622...xamines-russian-interference-capabilites&live
Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian Intelligence Activities is starting up.
Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian Intelligence Activities is starting up.
I want to clip that part where they're laying out the facts and send it to all of my skeptical conservative family.
RustyNails
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When does Intel hearing start?
There it is!
There it is!
cooljeanius
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Thanks for this!
Doesn't it repeal the law and preempt future local laws on the topic?
Well I guess you have to take the good with the bad. Getting rid of them would also effect the congressional black caucus and I would had to seem them leave.
balladofwindfishes
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Government workers should be strongly advised to get their money in order. It could be awhile before they're paid again.
I guess that's true, though I don't usually find this kind of factionalism to be nearly as problematic (and least not publicly) on the Democratic side as it is on the Republican one.
Your post also inspired me to check that there is in fact exactly one Republican in all of the CBC. :lol
You know, I hated a Gundam show for having an earth dude that was so racist he'd rather keep shooting space dudes instead of refueling and resupplying his Gundam. He got taken down because he ran out of fuel and ammo and he was okay with it because he was that racist.
I never thought for a moment that would be real.
Here we are.
Cesare Borgia
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It's the Catch 22 they're in. Can't win moderates with a far right bill, can't win the far right FC with a moderate bill. And there's no in-between because the FC demands full repeal.
CNBC had a disputed article yesterday that claimed republicans plan on bringing the AHCA (or another bill) up for vote again soon. The same shit is going to happen again, IF that report is accurate.
The issue isn't that caucuses exist, it's that the HFC doesn't want to make or take concessions, they want all bills tailor only for them and screw what the party thinks.
You mean political parties?
If parties are allowed why wouldn't a caucus within a party?
balladofwindfishes
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Are we witnessing the birth of a third party in America?
A split conservative party and one liberal party would change the entire landscape of our country's politics.
A split conservative party and one liberal party would change the entire landscape of our country's politics.
Roland_Gunner
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Brownback's veto of the medicaid expansion may actually get overridden. That would have to be the ultimate rejection of his agenda.
https://twitter.com/dmgorenstein/status/847458039422566406
That doesn't sound strategically feasible
balladofwindfishes
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Nothing the GOP has done over the last 3 months has been strategically feasible. They're falling apart despite having complete unchecked power.
Beer Monkey
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It doesn't work in our system. Any new party would replace an existing one just like the Republicans did the Whigs.
Turns out rural people actually don't want their hospitals shut down, despite the fact that having them in the middle of nowhere makes them depend on federal aid.
Also, fuck brownback
I feel like the one thing that will really keep them together is abortion, which is for most of them a religious issue. Until the Evangelical voting block can be fractured, they are the de facto Republican Party regardless of infighting.
Bonen no Max'd
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There's more representatives in the House than in the Senate so individual votes matter less. Joining with similarly minded representatives lets you form a bloc to collectively bargain with.
Remember all those articles about how the GOP is doomed post-2016 election? And how everyone said the media got it wrong after Trump won and that it was the Democrats who were in disarray?
Not saying that the left isn't in disarray but man, seems like the GOP's problems never went away, it's inbuilt.
Also: I only began following American politics closely in 2016 and now. But isn't the House Freedom Caucus the result of the Tea Party wave that 1) saved the Republican party and 2) Trump rode to the White House?
And now he's attacking the HFC in support of establishment Republicans?
This political comedy is going to be amazing.
Not saying that the left isn't in disarray but man, seems like the GOP's problems never went away, it's inbuilt.
Also: I only began following American politics closely in 2016 and now. But isn't the House Freedom Caucus the result of the Tea Party wave that 1) saved the Republican party and 2) Trump rode to the White House?
And now he's attacking the HFC in support of establishment Republicans?
This political comedy is going to be amazing.
You are not mistaken.
Carpe Libertatem
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Should the Congressional Black Caucus not be allowed? What about the Congressional Hispanic Caucus? Congressional Progressive Caucus?
While my understanding of American politics is growing, it is still limited but yes: any groupings and classifications like that almost seems counterproductive to a formation of a more cohesive government. You shouldn't need these groups and having those groups only perpetuates those divisions.
Plinko
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Ryan (as always) botched it from the very beginning.
This wouldn't last long, and it's assuming that the liberal party would stay unified, which we've seen can be extremely hard. If we see a full split between the Republicans and the Tea Party, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the left split off from the Democrats
Considering that many European posters on GAF pride themselves on their government systems with multiple parties and power blocs and routinely criticize the US for the two party system...
Randolph Freelander
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Not even close.
It technically repeals HB2, in that it says it repeals HB2 specifically, but then reimplements most of HB2 in the form of restrictions saying cities and other institutions aren't allowed to do anything.
Under HB2
- You have to go to the bathroom matching the gender that's on your birth certificate
- No state level anti-discrimination protection for LGBT persons
- Cities cannot create protections stronger than what the state provides
Under this repealed HB2
- Cities cannot grant bathroom access (hello HB2 bullet one)
- No new state level anti-discrimination protection (hello HB2 bullet two)
- Cities cannot create protections stronger than what the state provides until the end of 2020 (hello HB2 bullet three)
This repeal is just HB2 by a different name.
Cesare Borgia
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Why? Factions can create leverage, especially when you're dealing with a weak Speaker like Ryan. A strong caucus can create deals and directly influence legislation. The problem with the Freedom Caucus is that they don't believe government has a role in anything except...women's bodies I guess. How do you negotiate with people who live in an entirely different reality than the majority of the party? The Freedom Caucus isn't an argument against factions/caucuses, it's moreso an argument against ideological extremists who come to Washington specifically to NOT do their job.
I would disagree with those European posters. You can't just apply a political system from one country into another.
Just seems to me that the last thing America's political system needs is further ways to split people up.
(I come from Singapore. Our "multi-party" political system is a joke)
The freedom caucus doesn't want concessions, they want unliateral control over writing the legislation and the other members of their party be-damned.
You notice they specially avoid talking about their moderate counterparts that they pushed out of the bill.
Nazgul_Hunter
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I love how we only ever get second hand accounts of Trump apologizing.
So you are just arguing against human nature. As if politicans should just vote lockstep with their party. Which is dumb especially so for how different various voting districts are and what people want from government.
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Abinash117
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The hearing is pretty interesting. Didn't know that the Russians were involved with many events from the past in America to promote panic. They also used left movements to their own ends like Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matters. Also supposedly a lot of the conspiracy sites and some right-wing sites are in Eastern Europe and might be funded through schemes. Also Clinton Watts said to follow the money trail of dead Russians to find out their connections and see if they used financial leverage .
AntraxSuicide
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This is why I've never cared about 3rd parties in the US because we basically have them anyway! What the UK calls a coalition, we call a party, and what they call a party, we call a caucus. They're isomorphic.
The HFC is just doing what any 3rd party would do if they held the votes to destroy or preserve the coalition government.
Ryan is without a doubt the most pathetic politician I can think of in my lifetime. Not the most evil (Hastert being a pedo is probably the most evil) but the most spineless, craven, fuckboi to ever hold office.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I've been arguing this for what seems like ages.
Abinash117
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Russians could finance a candidate that is likely to win to undermine them because of money in politics. Seems like something they would do.
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